Assassin's Creed III dev says Japanese games are "Gibberish" & "Subtly Racist"

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  1. Gretnablue

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    As much as I'm looking forward to AC3, wtf?


    wtf?

    Aren't the people behind (not the whole team) games such as MGS, Kid Icarus, Smash Bros, metroid, Pikmin, mario and so on Japanese?
    Also, I don't give a damn if AC3 has you killing British soldiers. It's a game, you gladly do it in plenty of other games for other nations.
     
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    I don't think that anyone on the Assassin's Creed story team is in any position to throw stones about convoluted or bizarre narrative ideas since those games require hefty doses of BOTH to maintain their story.
     
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    "subtlely racist" WTF?
     
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    >Buying Persona4:Arena over AC3.
    >Was always going to buy Persona4:Arena over AC3.
     
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    The guy isn't wrong.
     
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    What the actual fuck?
     
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    "Ultimately, Hutchinson said he thinks games should be judged on a simple scale of "is the story any good?""

    This I don't agree with. With a book, yes, becuase all it does is tell a story, but with games, there's much more. While a good story is always aces, a game has to be fun and play well first and foremost. And seriously, the Assassin's Creed narrative is just as hard to explain at this point as any JRPG I've played, even if the actual script reads more maturely in Ass Creed. I just got New Super Mario Bros 2 for the 3DS today, and the story is "Peach is kidnapped while mario and Luigi aren't looking direclty at her". Yet, any given minute of Mario is more fun then any given minute of an Ass Creed game, even though I do like AC.

    Of course, he's probably looking for some contraversy to help promote AC3.
     
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    :lol  This is a GameSpot article. They're the fools who would give CoD 9/10s and Zelda games 7.5/10s.
     
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    They actually do that? Really? Immah kill them all now. *Grabs master sword*
     
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    Hrm, read a shortened interview on CVG... and I have to agree with the sentiment that there is a general perception that Japanese games are better, simply because they're from Japan.

    And actually this is a problem that has been present for YEARS. I remember playing Grandia on my... Saturn? PS? English language version. The game had been raved about, literally RAVED by Sega Saturn Magazine back in the day, and they lamented that because of the Saturns woes it was unlikely to ever be released in the UK in English. Well I saw it in English (probably the PS version) played it and thought to myself OMG I'm bored out of my skull.

    It was meant to be some sort of FF7 killer or something, but no. It absolutely wasn't. These days Super Mario 3D land was widely lauded as one of the best 3D platformers ever, and sure, its alright but after playing it I don't think it deserved as high praise that it garnered.

    Even Lollipop Chainsaw, got really good reviews from some quarters. Sure its a decent bit of fun, the Grindhouse style is cool but the environments are PS2 quality almost. I wouldn't have minded that but the mechanics are pretty damn basic, almost identical to Onechanbara Bikini Samura Squad. But because its Japanese these two massive flaws are overlooked in most reviews that I read at the time.

    However, compare that to WET, a Bethseda title that I thought was a hell of a lot more fun but it got ripped to shreds by reviewers because there are some slightly clunky mechanics and the environments are quite... well simple I guess (probably so the mechanics could work)

    I think the term 'subtely racist' could have been better put, 'positive descrimination' would be more suitable. Having said that I think the only reason he said it is because he's trying to offset the critical mauling the AC3 story will probably receive when it comes out... I mean there are enough problems with AC/AC2s story that require massive suspensions of disbelief, but AC3s setting in Colonial US is going to get royally buttfucked by reviewers. Japanese Games on the other hand have stories/motivations/characters that MAKE ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE AT ALL, yet they never get called on it.

    But I don't care. I just wanna stab Johnny Englishman in the face with my retractable blade.

    Edit
    Wow, even the title to this thread is loaded. The Dev didn't say 'Japanese games are gibberish and subtly racist' not at all. He said something more like 'Japanese stories are gibberish but this flaw is overlooked because of the positive discrimination toward Japanese games'.
     
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    And Ubisoft's 90 % crap anyway so don't care much.
     
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    No one ever tries to understand what people are saying. It's much easier to hop on the witch hunt.
     
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    It is a completely different culture. They are more into some of those weird ass games like Mr. Mosquito and the near child porn type games there. Those (if they are brought over) rarely sell. Here it is more action driven. There RPGs and odd stuff sell. It is different cultures.
     
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    I don't find myself strongly disagreeing with this guy. I get where he's coming from. For example, yeah, I do find sometimes a Japanese game can come out and be absolutely bonkers yet nobody says anything because "it's of a different culture." Well, there's cultural difference, and then there's just nonsense. There's plenty of good stories from Japan. Good storytelling is good storytelling, regardless of style. But if your narrative has no flow, logic, or personality it's going to be bad, regardless of culture.

    I found the "Games should be judged on if the story is good" to be a little eyebrow-raising. Minecraft is more fun than any AssCreed game I've ever played and it has no story. A game is a game, not a movie. Which I find funny that he says that and yet one of my personal issues with Japanese games is that they focus too much on story and less on gameplay. I mean, doesn't one MGS game have a 45 minute cutscene? Of cours ethe best games are ones like, say, the Half-Life series which combine the narrative with the gameplay instead of just pausing the game now and then to play a little movie.

    As for the "subtly racist" remark, that's just bad journalism. (and shame on the thread starter for that misleading title) He never said the games are racist, he said Japanese devs get a free pass by a lot of critics on bad concepts merely because they're of a different cultrure. He's trying to say it's descrimination that American-made games are judged so harshly for their stories but Japan is given a free pass because it's foreign. Though even that's not really the right word. He's used the word racist in error.
     
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    Is this another one of those "it's not what they said, it's how they said it" discussions?
     
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    No, it's a "They straight up didn't say it how the article said they said it, is all I'm saying." He didn't call Japanese games racist. That's not actually debatable. They straight up took a word and completely changed the context.
     
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    Thing is Metal Gear Solid is the perfect example about what he's talking about. Story elements that make no logical sense, but get a pass because they're fur'ners.
     
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    Gamespot has an article bashing games that it doesnt like while kissing the feet of games it does like?
    /shockedface
     
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    The guy has a point, Badly conveyed, but a valid point none the less.
     

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