Are you tired of TFs being compared with Marvel?

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  1. smkspy

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  3. Russian fan

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    My God, where I am? Why on TF forum so little people actually love and enjoy Transformers? I go to see MB Transformers not for the robots killing each other. I want to see strong characters, who selfless defend and love a fragile world, despite most of this world hate them. I want to see how they overcome humans indifference. I want to see noble humans who help them. And I don't care whether I can relate to myself what they do. The Movie has Cade and Sam for that (who are in life situations very similar with mine). Marvel Movies is just a soap opera, even DC has some inspiring moments, although I generally tired of superheroes.
    I didn't mean TLK, it fails, because it's too MARVELOUS. People expected different Movie.
     
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    Haha, yeah so does/did everyone else... but that's never happened in the Bay movies. Like, at all. That's exactly how & why people DO love Transformers, but don't like what Bay has done with them in his action porn music videos 5 times now.

    Yeah, are you a teenager that lives with your parents but somehow dates models, or are a failed inventor that has a 17 year old daughter of your own that dates older guys that are professional car drivers? That's pretty coincidental.

    There's too much absurdly wrong (and just hilarious) with this statement to even try commenting on it, so...
     
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    I'm pretty sick of everything being compared to Marvel, and trying to play catch up with them. It took them a long time to get to where they are.

    I feel like the new Power Rangers is a better comparison, if we need to compare. Equally cheesy source material, huge following, lots of nostalgia.
     
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    Critical thought =/= hate.

    I know that's hard for super fans of these movies to understand. But many of us are so critical BECAUSE we love the transformers so much. I literally cried in the theater back 86 when Optimus Prime was killed.

    But I'm also just as critical of the Marvel movies because I love them too. A certain death in gotg 2 was just as heartbreaking as optimus prime in 86.

    Likewise, star wars, likewise DC. Some really need to learn difference between actual hate for something and people being critical for constructive purposes. Critical thought believe it or not actually helps things improve because you know it has the potential to be better.
     
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    Why on a TF forum so little people actually love and enjoy bad Transformer films?
     
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    And they even get away with it, unlike the others
     
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    The success of the MCU is that we get movies for all these characters with diverse backgrounds, sometimes even coming from different planets altogether. We get these nearly mythical objects with distinct characteristics: the shield that can't be broken, the hammer that can't be lifted, etc. Then the big payoff comes when the characters team up or fight against each other and the status quo is challenged, such as Vision lifting Thor's hammer or a character dying. (Because, you know, Marvel movies don't kill their main characters all that often..)

    In the Transformers movies we only really have two options: human involved in the Transformers war, and Transformers from Cybertron. There isn't much variety there in terms of culture or backgrounds. At the moment we just have Autobots and Decepticons, that's it. We haven't seen any neutrals or Transformers from other planets.

    The TF movies need to gain a strong focus on character to make us invest in the robots and care about their struggles. There is so much potential left untapped. Hot Rod's time gun is a good step in the right direction. All they have to do is take a single scene to explain how it works.
     
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    People compare the films to Marvel when it suits their argument. For example, The Last Knight did worse by the second weekend and people said that it was because the film was bad. But now Spider-Man has had a massive drop after its second weekend but people just say "oh well, it released the same time as Planet of the Apes, so of course it would haven't started to underperform". The bias is strong especially since Apes released before Transformers too.
     
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    I think it is a bit annoying, but only because that would make the good Marvel films look bad. Compare Transformers to Thor 2, AOU, Hulk, Thor, or Iron Man 2, and you have a reasonable argument. But compare the TF films to any other MCU film, and the argument becomes invalid because that means there would be a remote similarity between the two (even though there are the inbetweener MCU films that are just okay, I don't mind those comparisons either).
     
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    You're conveniently omitting the parts about Spider-Man & Apes being given ROUSING rave reviews virtually across the board by critics AND fans, whereas TLK was absolutely decimated by critics AND fans. So, there's that. I'd call that fact a pretty major diffarentiator.
     
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    I disagree somewhat as most hardcore fans likely prefer Super Sentai to Power Rangers anyway as the former can be very good.
     
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    I'm so disconnected from the PR universe that I honestly have no idea what that is. I couldn't stand it as a kid. Love the new movie, though.
     
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    And I'm conveniently omitting how Transformers is the only film I've encountered in IGN to get an article about it's dumbest moments. And I'm also conveniently omitting how the crew behind Apes her interviewed for their CG work but ILM didn't. In fact, reading comments I've seen people say that Apes should get an academy award for the CGI. What about Transformers? The point isn't about how both films were recieved but the bias that goes on. And reviews are one thing, people going to the cinema is another because even though critics were harsh on Transformers it obviously didn't stop people from watching it so much if Spider-Man can take such a hit maybe the generally public aren't as enthusiast as critics were.
     
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    Right, but again, you're comparing bottom of the barrel shit movies to actually GOOD movies. No kidding people will highlight the awfulness of TF, and conversely focus on all that's cool with the movies people actually like. It's not rocket science.
     
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    Power Rangers is the name for the American adaptation of the Japanese franchise Super Sentai. For example, Mighty Morphin might be the first Power Rangers series but it's the 17th series in Japan. The white Ranger isn't even from the same series. As a comparison, the original series Kaizoku Sentai Gokaiger was a series that featured 35 years of Red Rangers in that one series in celebration of 35 years but the American adaptation Super Megaforce could barely get 10 actors to return to celebrate 20 years.

    Then there's the fact that Power Ranger often make up their own stories instead of adapting the original plots.
     
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    But that's your opinion. I'm being subjective whereas your incapable of keeping your opinion out of things and that's how you're unable to see what I mean. Has it occurred to you that some people might not actually like the Spider-Man film despite reviews or people liked Transformers in spite of the reviews it got?
     
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    I'm tired of the MCU everything. Its soooooo much.
     
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    I realize all of that, but it's no mystery why a minority in way of numbers, reviews & acceptance of a franchise whose calling card is known as being a mindless joke is disregarded, whereas movies with actual respectability & popularity get the attention instead. You like the movies, and that's great. But try comparing the writing, respect to source material, talent behind and in front of the camera, etc. with a straight face to that of those "other movies" that you're angry get all the positive attention. You can't. The ONLY thing comparable is... sorry, WAS box office totals. That's it.
     

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