Are the HiDef DVD wars about to end?

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  1. misterd

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    I think Sony will end up losing the format war. AGAIN.
     
  3. Joe Moore

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    Why? Only 1 movie studio is solely backing HD-DVD (Universal Home Entertainment, Universal Studios back Blu-Ray), with any other studio HD-DVD supporter also supporting Blu-Ray. Blu-Ray has a lot more studios supporting them overall. And as much as people want to lament over the PS3, it's going to be putting Blu-Ray players in a lot of homes. Also, any time I visit Best Buy, Circuit City or any home and stereo store, I see a nice big HDTV with a Blu-Ray player hooked up to it, and have yet to see that with an HD-DVD player. Stuff like that gives great exposure to the Blu-Ray disc's.

    However, I think it will be at least another year before either of these formats gets any foothold on the market in any way. But Sony is at least guaranteeing a Blu-Ray player in the home of every PS3 owner.
     
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    Why do you think that? Sony have excellent credentials for creating their own proprietary formats!

    I could go through a list, but I think I'll only have to mention Betamax, Minidisc, UMD, HiFD, SDDS, the success and proliferation of these media devices into todays culture cannot be denied!

    ;) 
     
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    Unlike many of the things you mentioned above, Blu-Ray has alot more industry wide support behind it.

    Again, not saying that the format is really needed at the moment, but the Blu-Ray should win this just for the general lack of support that HD-DVD has gotten from most studios and retailers. I liken the next gen DVD's to Laser Discs. A small group of consumers are looking for the next big thing, but the larger general populace has no need or desire for it at the time.
     
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    Doesn't a war have to start before it ends?

    I personally think both may fail. I think dvd looks great already on HDTVs, and I would guess the general public would agree. So then the only benefit is storage, which who needs 12 hours of behind the scenes footage of Weekend at Bernies 3?

    Both are good for data storage, but I don't think there are enough videophiles out there to keep these formats from being the next mini-disc.
     
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    Just wondering - did anyone actually bother reading the article?
     
  8. Zero Prime

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    I don't think they did.

    The concept of having both Blu-Ray and Hddvd on the same disk is awesome. Walking through the video line would be a lot easier, just grab one and go. It will work on all new players. Now that is a good concept.
     
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    Yes, I read it. I don't see something like that catching on though. The technology is similar to the hybrid CD/DVD's that never went anywhere. And I do believe there are other companies creating players that will play both formats already.
     
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    Yes. And I think that's about the only way either format can hope to catch on with the general public. Technophiles will argue for one format or the other, go drop $1000 for a clunky new player and buy movies they already own on the new format. It's far too soon to expect the general public to do that when it's only been a good 6-7 years they've been gobbling up DVDs to replace all their VHS, particularly the crack that is TV series on DVD.

    I had a player that could play both in mind, but a disc that just has both formats, as well as regular DVD, works just as well. People could just start buying those and play them on their current players. Then when they get a new player, for most it won't matter which format it is, others can be picky, but either way, the disc will play.
     
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    Ray sounds like a lucky guy
     
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    HVD will not be a practical solution. From your own Wiki link...

     
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    It's an interesting idea. Instead of buying an expensive player that plays both HD and Blu-Ray DVD's, you get both options on one disc. Assuming they could keep the cost down, it may be a viable option for the non-comittal types.
     
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    Right now it isn't. Does anyone remember the cost of the first developed Blu-ray player not available to the public? I can't remember, but it certainly wasn't cheap.

    That protein-coated disc sure sounds interesting. You know how much porn you can store? All of it!
     
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    Which, as everybody knows, is what really drives technological advancement. ;) 
     
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    In the case of Hybrid CD/DVDs (which I have a few of an enjoy immensely), it likely flopped because people overall didn't have any interest in high-def music period, as they tend to listen in cars or on headphones or while engaged in other activity. It wasn't just the hybrid format that crashed, it was the whole Audio DVD market.

    In the case of the Hybrid HDDVDs, they are obviously going to be dependent on the interest in any HiDef format, but the interest already seems to be much greater than it ever was for HD audio. First, we are simply a more visually oriented species. Second, many more people pay closer attention to movies or TV than to the music they listen to. And third, people seem to be upgrading their TVs at a much faster rate than their sound systems (and the reaon most people upgrade their sound system is for movies, not music). A lot of people walk into my home and comment on the TV. No one gives a shit about the speakers.

    An advantage of Hybrid DVDs is that they would be aimed at replacing virgin material. Most people haven't built up an HD or BR collection yet, and many won't jump in for another year or more. Obviously the competing formats, if they are both still around in a year, will dissuade many people from making the switch. While most people are simply not going to replace standard DVDs, those who ARE interested, most don't want to have to buy two different machines to watch all the high def films. A Hybrid format, assuming there is no loss in quality, would remove this apprehension. Stores would like it because they wouldn't need to devote three times the space for the same product. And it would be especially appealing on new titles, as those eventually planning on going HiDef (like me) wouldn't have to hesitate about buying a regular DVD because it'll soon be obsolete.
     
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    *Lives for the days of HVDs or PCDs*

    Wow, talk about on the horizon of tomorrow...

    Yet it may not be as far away as we think. Remember when your standard desktop comuter's memory was not measured in GB or even MB but in Kilobytes! When I moved here after my wife and I got married, my computer I had was about 3 years old and it only had a 700MB hard drive. I currently have a couple files (DV files) that are twice that size on my MacBook's hard drive right now. Technology can cheapen and become widely available very quickly. While HVDs or PCDs are nowhere near practical or affordable at this time, one day, sooner rather than later, they could be.
     
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    A number of studios are currently offering hybrid DVD/HD DVD discs. They are considerably more expensive though so they're not very popular.

    As far as these triple format discs go, they have nothing more than a concept and a patent. Like most of these new technologies, it will become irrelevant before it makes it beyond the prototype stage.

    Holographic storage is way to expensive for consumer uses. Not to mention, with its lack of content protection, the movie studios would never go for it. At this point, they've invested way too much time and money into HD and BD for them to scrap it.
     
  20. Shin-Gouki

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    Personally I hope both formats fail, it's just too soon for another DVD format
     

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