Are Knock Offs considered counterfeit?

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  1. solid.wii

    solid.wii Well-Known Member

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    Are Knock Offs considered counterfeit?

    If they are, then wouldn't selling them on Ebay be against the rules?

    I am referring to the CHMS.
     
  2. TrueNomadSkies

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    I've always thought it was only against the rules to market them as the real thing, but I'm sure somebody who's actually read the rules can answer this better than I can.
     
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    in a way,but they have to be the same size & color.& all of the ones I've seen are smaller,bigger,are clear or a different paint job.so you could consider them the figures with a cool look,like clear rodimus ( The japanese one) & it's knock off ( the fully clear one)
     
  4. solid.wii

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    According to Ebay:

    If an item has a company's name or logo on it, but it wasn't made or endorsed by the company, it's not allowed on eBay.

    If you see an item and think it's counterfeit, you can report it.

    This would cover the recent CHMS knock offs with the Habro/Tak/Tomy markings on it.
     
  5. Might Gaine

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    Yes, they are not allowed on Ebay. If you see them, you can report them and Ebay will probably take them down.
     
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    That's kind of the reason why you don't see the words knock-off or ko on ebay much, with people resorting to wordings like re-issue to cover selling KOs
     
  7. Big_Daddy

    Big_Daddy The. Balls. Will. Touch.

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    KOs ARE counterfeits, no matter what wording, descriptions, sizes, and colours are used.
     
  8. TrueNomadSkies

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    Well, one could argue that if the seller isn't intending to deceive the customer by advertising or otherwise presenting an item as what it could potentially be seen as its mimicking, that they're not truly selling a counterfeit (much like if you don't claim something that's wood plated to be solid wood)... but since they have the Takara shit on em (aka, being in conflict with Ebay's definition), I guess that wouldn't matter anyways haha.
     
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    Big_Daddy The. Balls. Will. Touch.

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    Of course they are. A counterfeit is the same thing as a knock off. It's a knock off regardless of the seller knowing that it is or not.

    It is what it is; an illegal duplicate of something that Hasbro/TakaraTomy owns. Just like a counterfeit bag, a pair of sneakers, or whatever.

    Just because eBay has their own definition of what a counterfeit is on their site, doesn't mean that a pirated figure without Hasbro/TakTomy brandings on it isn't a counterfeit. It's still an illegally made toy.
     
  10. TrueNomadSkies

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    Makes sense.

    Also, your sig is awesome.
     
  11. CodeXCDM

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    Ebay:
    Pretty sure Knock-off and Counterfeit are synonymous...

    If companies could stop it, they would, and courts would back them up on this. Counterfeits/KOs are produced mostly in China since copyright laws aren't respected as much (if at all in many cases).

    On eBay *none* of these types of items should be listed... however many folks state "reproduction" or at times even say "yea it's a knock-off" somewhere in the description. Others don't, so be weary if you buy on eBay and pay top dollar for some "collectibles."

    There's a sticky about differentiating a KO from actual release, so keep an eye for it.
     
  12. Lazerwave

    Lazerwave My Most Prized Treasure

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    Yeah.
     
  13. ScottyP

    ScottyP Got The Touch

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    Um. Yeah.

    Anyone that fools themselves into thinking KO /= Counterfeit is fooling themselves. The words mean THE SAME THING.
     

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