Are decapitated Transformers actually dead? (AKA, You gotta shoot em in the chest!)

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  1. Goaliebot

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    A TF's soul/persona is in their spark.

    The Spark chamber is in the chest.

    TFs can lose limbs with little impact (arms, legs).

    TFs can function despite massive head wounds (Megs, aka "Massive Headwound Harry").

    In some TF universes, like Animated, moving the spark to a new body moves the TF's persona/soul.

    So given all this:

    Are decapitated TFs actually dead?

    Or are they instead massively disabled and offline, their sparks in emergency stasis? Perhaps they need a steady, low level supply of Energon to remain in said stasis, but nonetheless.

    It makes some solid sense that head damage or even removal does not kill their spark.

    This would mean that as of the end of DOTM:

    Sentinel
    Megatron
    Shockwave (maybe, he also took some heavy chest damage)
    Starscream
    Bonecrusher (from movie 1)
    and *maybe* Soundwave (depends on whether BB's blast up the car hood/chest took out the spark chamber or not)
    Grindor
    Devastator

    are all still alive, but disabled and in stasis. You can imagine a scene where NEST and the Autobots secure their lined up, in-stasis bodies in a super secure storage room on low-level energon feeds. Maybe that scene, with Prime explaining it, starts movie 4?

    Sadly, Ironhide and Q are pretty certainly dead - especially Ironhide as Sentinel went for the kill shot to the chest (which makes sense if you're trying to destroy the spark, right?). Also, it's safe to assume Brawl, Blackout, and countless other "shot to pieces"

    Think about it. Megs died in movie 1 because his spark was destroyed (chest). Prime was killed in ROTF when Megs very deliberately went for the chest shot (spark-kill). The Fallen and Jetfire - killed when their spark chambers where removed and destroyed. Brawl and Blackout only went down in movie 1 after enough damage to their chests.

    If decapitation doesn't kill, it changes Prime's obsession with faces/heads significantly, no? Prime goes for the massive disabling but not spark-kill-shot?


    Other than the Fallen, Prime never goes for the spark/chest. Only heads.

    Megs and Sentinel went for the spark chambers for kills every time.


    (Assuming Jazz died from chest-area damage when torn in half).


    Just a theory that I found interesting when I thought it out.


    Corollary 1:

    Of course, having a secure room full of the most dangerous Decepticons (and Sentinel) in stasis means the destruction of Earth and the Autobots is only ever one Decepticon infiltration or human/bot betrayal away. That's not a fun idea for the Autobots or humans. I wonder if the humans would allow it, actually?


    Corollary 2:

    If decapitation doesn't kill Decepticons then we have 3 war movies with very few casualties. Reminds me of a 1980's cartoon, no? :p 


    Corollary 3:

    And if decapitation *does* kill TFs, then all three Bayverse movies still have a lower kill count than the '86 movie. :D 
     
  2. baggzey23

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    i remeber thinking this in ROTF
    is grindor dead? no he's just braindead since his spark is still active
    i guess the same could go for megatron (since optimus tore his head and spine out not his spark)
     
  3. RedWolf

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    Igor was a Longhaul Constructicon.

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    I think it's like real-life: A shot on your head will probably kill you.

    But, judging by how ridicuously hard to kill Shockwave was, I wouldn't be surprised if he still was alive after his decaptation.
     
  5. chazparks

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    There are headmasters in some storylines which would say the Transformers can live without their heads for a time.

    Optimus was even torn apart in G1 by the constructions and had his parts spread all over the city in different forms but didn't die until the movie but they didn't really die because a Quint brought him back.

    Death means nothing G1. Who know in Bayformers.
     
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    If you lose you BRAIN, you're dead. The idea with the headmasters was that their brains were downloaded into a separate drive in their chests. I always thought that any kind of overly massive injury (decapitation, torn/sliced/blasted in half, that sort of thing) causes trauma to the spark as well, thus killing the Transformer.
     
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    Yeah, I think if you're head is gone, you're considered dead
     
  8. vatarian

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    not neccesarily, unlike humans, Cybertronians wires and cables contain valves, which can constrict and lock off energon flow to preserve the outlying appendage, thus Frenzy, Bonecrusher and Lonhaul all servived decapitation,thus their is reason to think that perhaps the same with Megatron, if help arrived soon, he could be saved.
     
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    Frenzy survived AS a head, as did Igor, maybe it's different for each particular Transformer, but suffice to say if enough damage is caused, then he's deaded.
     
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    Who says ALL transformers store their sparks in their chests? Also, the spark in the movieverse is likely comparable to the human heart. If you kill the brain, the heart will soon cease to function, and vice-versa. So, it's probably similar to Transformers - destroy the head, the spark will soon cease to function. Or, destroy the spark, and the brain/processor will stop soon after. In this case, they can be killed either with the chest shot, or head shot.

    Silvershot
     
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    I think it's been proven that as long as you have a body and something to reignite the spark (Allspark, Matrix of Leadership), you can bring any Transformer back to life.

    At least in the movies, in other canon different conditions exist.
     
  12. Hellscream15

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    So igor is lang haul?
     
  13. Faded-Myth

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    Megatron's a hardcore kind of guy. He stores his energon in his crotch.

    Woe be to him if he was ever kicked in the groin.
     

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