Anyone have a chart with the autobot/decepticon chain of command?

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  1. siniquezu

    siniquezu Well-Known Member

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    I can't figure out the ranking. I don't know where alpha trion fits or who springer reports to. (among two of my confusions)
     
  2. transtrekkie

    transtrekkie On the level.

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    Alpha Trion was never portrayed as being part of the Autobot army heirarchy (at least to the best of my knowledge) and Springer reports to Rodimus Prime. At least in the cartoon. If you're wondering about the current IDW ongoing I think he reports to Kup. If you're asking about Marvel G1 the best referrence would one of the UK annuals that came out which usually had a chain of command chart in the back.
     
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    I'd say you just need to look at their rank levels.

    (Order of Rank, then Alphabetical; from their original G1 toy Tech Specs)
    Rodimus Prime: 10
    Kup :8
    Ultra Magnus: 8
    Blurr: 7
    Springer: 7
     
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    Alpha Trion isn't really a proper Autobot, he's one of the Original Thirteen and everyone responds to him as an Elder. He's not out there taking orders and mixing it up with the troops.

    As for Springer, in the cartoon he'd work for whoever was highest ranking, as Karhukjnsi listed. Ultra Magnus as the 'City Commander,' Kup as the experienced old drill sergeant, or Rodimus Prime when he evolved and became Autobot leader. In the comics, he is a Wrecker and usually reports to Impactor or Emirate Xaaron, until they die and he leads the group himself. He usually still reports to/works with Prime or Magnus
     
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    Great call.

    It's not really a straight line, but more of a tree type system I would imagine where there are several levels of 'bot all at the same rank but occupying different roles. It's like when people ask who is Prime's second in command. The answer is that he probably had several, all with specific responsibilities and assignments.

    It is however, probably safe to say that no-one reports to Wheelie.
     
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    Except when he became...
    [​IMG]
    :lol 
     
  7. Auto Morph

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    ^ I literally have no response to that.
     
  8. Ravenxl7

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    He is a bit of a buzz-kill, lol.

    Honestly, as long as he dropped the rhyming, I think Wheelie would make for a pretty interesting leader.
     
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    Uhm ... I always thought it went like this:

    Decepticon chain of command:
    1. Megatron
    2. Shockwave
    3. Lord Straxus
    4. Scorponok

    ... and then it would be up to the Decepticon High Council to choose whoever to take the position of leadership if one or all of these Leaders fell in battle.

    Autobot chain of command:
    1. Optimus Prime
    2. Rodimus Prime
    3. Fortress Maximus
     
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    If you think that concept art was great, you'll get a real laugh out of the comic repro labels did for their sticker set.
     
  11. Coeloptera

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    Well, it can't be much of a straight line when your entire army/population is in the low thousands.

    Here, read this: http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-general-discussion/225956-idw-chain-command-2.html#post3522513

    In terms of "brainpower" roles, it can be all over the place, but tactically? You need to play to the strengths of literally every individual under your command. Bumblebee will never be the heavy infantry Roadbuster is, so it's foolish to try and make him that. He can supplement when necessary, but physically and structurally, he's not as well suited to a degree far beyond the differences humans exhibit.

    Thundercracker is not Onslaught is not Scrapper is not Rumble. The command structure must reflect that far more strongly than that from a species whose members are more similar.

    It's got to be loose. You have high command, command's lieutenants, then everything below them must be customized.
     
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    Whenever i see that pic of wheelie as wheelimus prime i think of him saying "its my time/im a prime" LOL
     
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    Oooh, I've wanted to summarize my thoughts on this for quite a while now. So, without further adew, here's my thoughts on the rank structures of the Autobots and Decepticons in G1, my personal canon version. Let me stress that, this is my personal canon so there's probably a good chance that it doesn't necessarily match up with the opinions of the chain of command other people have.

    First, the Autobots.

    To me, the Autobots are a standard military and thus have a military structure chain-of-command. Obviously, Optimus Prime is in supreme command. His second in command is Prowl, his chief strategist, whom is in overall charge of the Autobot forces. Jazz is equal rank to Prowl, but his role is special ops: a position outside of the general hierarchy of command, operating in special circumstances independently. Reporting directly to Prowl are the various command heads and team leaders. Some team leaders like Grimlock, or command heads like Jetfire also hold the same rank as Prowl but still hold positions that answer to him. Ultra Magnus also holds the same rank as Prowl but his specific charge is command of Autobot City or something in a smaller capacity. There are of course all the other team leaders like Silverbolt (Aerialbots), Hot Spot (Protectobots), Springer (Wreckers), that are slightly lower ranked that answer to Prowl. Same with the command heads like Ratchet (Medical), Wheeljack (Engineering), and Bumblebee (a lot of modern fiction places him as head of Intelligence).

    And those are just the officers. The bulk of the fighting force are of course, the enlisted. And in my view, Ironhide and Kup are the highest ranking senior enlisted (Kup's most recent toy is even outright called "Sergeant"), thus putting them on par with the Autobot officers. High ranking enlisted are usually assigned to junior officers, such as the way Kup is assigned to Hot Rod (the latter whom I view as a junior officer). And that's my general view of the Autobot chain of command.

    And now, the Decepticons.

    Whereas I view the Autobots as a proper military hierarchy, I view the Decepticons as more of an informal militia group. Megatron is the founder and absolute leader of the Decepticons. Below him, his three highest ranking warriors are constantly vying for control: Starscream, Shockwave, and Soundwave. Nominally, military operation commander Shockwave is second in command, and most of the Decepticon forces do indeed answer to him. However, Air Commander Starscream is in command of over half of the Decepticon forces and has personal command of elite seekers. This, combined with his extreme ambition puts him on a level on par (and some ways even higher) than Shockwave, providing an example of the more militia like structure of the Decepticons. The wrench in the works is Soundwave, who despite only being the communications officer, has through blackmail and general loyalty has achieved an important spot of being Megatron's primary adviser and confidant. He even commands a small force of his own: the cassettes.

    While those three are the heads of Megatron's immediate circle, being a militia, the Decepticons are composed of numerous "warlords" whom are competing against each other to achieve positions of eminence in the Decepticon hierarchy: guys like Scorponok, Thunderwing, Straxus, and Ratbat (though the latter would be more like a bureaucrat than a warlord).

    And that's pretty much my personal take on the command structures of both groups.
     
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    Am I the only one that wants a real "Wheelimus Prime" toy?
     
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    I hope so
     
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    doucoo U're an idiot Starscream!

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    That's how I kinda see it too.

    Good take on the whole chain of command subject.

    I still laugh at Megs having to report to the Fallen in ROTF. There is no way!
     
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    All depends on the continuity. Marvel UK did a great chain of command spread for both the Bots and Cons in 1986 - and in fact, the comic was always better at recognising these things than the cartoon.

    But really? Who Springer reports to is not the kind of thing that should keep you up at night... if these are the only questions/points of interest left after years of TF fandom, then I'll say we're done for!!
     
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    Now I realize this thread was specifically asking about Springer, but the ranks and the tech specs are something I like to think about, so here is a list of what the chain of command probably looks like, if we only go by the tech specs



    Autobots:
    Optimus Prime - 10 - Supreme Commander
    Jetfire - 10 - Air Guardian
    Fort. Max. - 10 - Nebulan Leader
    Rodimus - 10 - Cavalier, Protector
    Grimlock - 9 - Lieutenant Commander, Attack Specialist
    Sky Lynx - 9 - Lieutenant Commander
    Countdown - 9 - Aerospace Commander
    Prowl - 9 - Military Strategist
    Ultra Magnus - 8 - City Commander
    Jazz - 8 - Spec Ops Agent
    Kup - 8 - Veteran
    Roadbuster - 8 - Ground Assault Commander
    Splashdown - 8 - Naval Commander
    Metroplex - 8 - Battle Station
    Silverbolt - 8 - Squad Leader
    Scattershot - 8 - Squad Leader
    Pointblank - 8 - Enforcer
    Grotusque - 8 - Military Strategist
    Jackpot - 8 - Strategist
    Groundshaker - 8 - Ground Commander
    Wheeljack - 8 - Mechanical Engineer
    Skids - 8 - Theoretician


    Decepticons:Megatron - 10 - Emperor of Destruction
    Scorponok - 10 - Nebulan Commander
    Gutcruncher - 10 - Air-to-Ground Support
    Shockwave - 9 - Military Ops Commander
    Cyclonus - 9 - Saboteur
    Trypticon - 9 - Assault Base
    Skystalker - 9 - Interstellar Assault
    Hun-Gurrr - 9 - Squad Leader
    Roadblock - 9 - Ground Forces Commander
    Weirdwolf - 9 - Tracker
    Roughstuff - 9 - Aerial Defense
    Scourge - 8 - Tracker
    Starscream - 8 - Air Commander
    Soundwave - 8 - Communications, Intelligence Officer
    Razorclaw - 8 - Squad Commander
    Snaptrap - 8 - Squad Leader
    Doubledealer - 8 - Mercenary


    So for the most part it seems easier to get promoted as an Autobot, yet Decepticons are slightly more likely to give out a 9 rank than an 8 to those who rise. From this list, I assume this means Jetfire is the commander-in-chief of all the Autobot Air Force, and Splashdown of the Navy (though there isn't much evidence that either of those divisions is very large). What I find really odd is the 9 ranking for Weirdwolf (which wasn't carried over when his Botcon toy was made), and that Bludgeon and Thunderwing weren't high-ranking (Furman seemingly didn't care!)
     

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