[ebay]270121479271[/ebay]

 

Maybe but the 8 bids that have been placed mean that there's some stupid people out there

 

Interesting, I didn't realize there was a Ruckus bootleg. The Backstreet one, yes; but this I've never seen. And the people bidding aren't stupid - they're being misled, and it's sad.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/Transformers-G1-Hasbro-Headmaster-Horrorcon-Apeface-87_W0QQitemZ270124648018QQihZ017QQcategoryZ4696QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

well, there must be a apeface bootleg too guys(i never knew this guy was released among the chinese specials). which brings me back to the point of these not being bootlegs.

 

True...i was wrong for saying stupid. But with all the bootlegs that are out there who can really tell whats original now and whats not. I mean yes we know of the variations of some of these but not everyone knows about them

 

I'm confused. Are you saying that the Ruckus is authentic? Because again, I've never seen a fake Ruckus and I would have assumed this was was the real deal.

 

why the hell would you assume this is a bootleg, moonstreaker?

it's a pretty "dirtbag" thing to do, running around and calling people names without any proof of them doing anything wrong.

 

well ams, I'm in the same boat as far as never seeing these guys in the chinese special release line. i ve never seen a bootleg of KO ruckus or an apeface. which makes me say- I dont think these are bootlegs.

 

Dirtbag,Indeed!

 

Gotcha, makes total sense.

Thank goodness we have a community where we can educate ourselves about stuff like this... I feel bad for folks who don't and end up buying fakes at high prices.

 

Until a takara/hasbro rep(which I'm sure nobody here is) says different, these tfs are the real deal to me. I'll just dub them chinese releases produced after the 80's. cause thats about as much as I know about these.

 

What he means is that these Chinese toys with the Chinese name sticker in the corner are probably not bootlegs, but toys released by Hasbro and/or Takara in China in the early-/mid-1990's. Most of G1 was released in China with the Chinese name sticker in the corner, including Optimus, the dinobots, Powermasters, Headmasters, 1984/1985 cars and jets, minibots, etc., etc., etc. The ones that people usually mistakenly identify as bootlegs like Cyclonus and Ironhide are just toys that people found a lot of dead stock of in the last decade, so they appear more regularly than the others.

Basically, they're probably the same thing as the Brainmasters and Breast Force with the Chinese TF logo that the fandom accepts as toys Hasbro and Takara released in Hong Kong and China. (People have said there is a slight quality difference with the toys with the sticker, but not with the Chinese Victory toys, though, so maybe there is some kind of difference between the Chinese toys with the sticker and the Chinese Victory toys. Or it could just be that the sticker toys' flaws have been exagerated or the Victory toys' flaws have been ignored. Anyhow, that's an unresolved question, I guess.)

So, yeah, the seller is not letting buyers known it's the Chinese release, but that's not quite on par with passing off a true bootleg (like the recent Optimus, Cassetes, and Swoop) as the real thing. And at least he didn't take off the Chinese sticker and try to sell it as a 1980's non-Chinese release like some scummy sellers do.

But, yeah, he should identify it as the Chinese release so people know what they're buying. I agree with that.

 

I believe this whole argument is ignorant. because it has a little chinese sticker on the right hand of the flap, and some of the copyright info missing(marked out), people assume its a bootleg(I myself used to think this) but now I am starting to doubt the whole bootleg myth with the release of figures never seen before with the little chinese sticker.

 

Oops. Time to start doing some research before blindly calling people dirtbags, I guess.

 

Good insight, MG and MR - thanks! I remember someone complaining a few years ago about Taiwanese Braves that were supposed to be semi-official, but people were debating that as well. Interesting stuff.

 

why the hell are mods letting you start these threads?

 

chinese bootlegs/stickers were discussed here:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=132050&page=2&highlight=bootleg

 

Like me, for instance

 

I had no idea there was a KO of this toy. I doubt I've ever even seen a real one before, I honestly have no idea who this is.