Newsarama.com : SDCC 08 - WAR OF KINGS BREWING AT MARVEL Here comes the next one, anyone else getting tired of all these crossovers? Marvel has been crossing over almost all their titles for over five years now. There isn't much non world shattered continuity left to keep me interested any more. I miss secret identities and personal lives that made me think the characters were just like everybody else. They've been at war for way too long now, it's getting depressing. Comics are supposed to lift your spirits, not depress you.

 

It's actually the crossovers that got me back into buying Marvel. I do agree that they could pull back a notch and focus on individuality a bit, but for someone that hasn't bought comics in about 10 years this is all fascinating to catch up on.

I'm really digging Secret Invasion, too.

-D

 

Secret Invasion has gotten me to buy a butt-ton more new comics than I ever did. I didn't get Anihilation, but a new space crossover could be fun if it has alot of the good characters... soemthing along the lines of Guardians of the Galaxy plus other guys.

 

Rachel Summers is there, ergo so am I.

 

I liked the first half of Civil War, World War Hulk was fun, Messiah Complex was awesome, and Secret Invasion has been good so far... but I getting burned out on these things. My wallet needs a rest, thankfully this doesn't sound as interesting to me as the others were. Then again, I felt the same about WWH before it came out...

 

I haven't read a Marvel comic in over 6 months now. House of M, Civil War, WWH, all huge disappointments. Annihilation was pretty good at least.

Quesada though has pissed me off beyond anything. Can't stand him. I refuse to get another Marvel comic until he's gone.

 

Enough crossovers. When you need gigantic universe sprawling crossovers to keep readers interested then you know your doing bad. Crossovers should be a topping. Not the pizza.

Plus if you keep killing off and bringing characters back you lose the value of the effect, like putting out too many damn crossovers. After awhile you see people like us going "eh, another crossover."

It's like "OH GEEZ SPIDER-MAN AND THE X-MEN ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO FIGHT A VILLIAN!!! OH NOES HE KILLED ALL OF CHARACTERS EXCEPT SOME CHARACTER THAT NO ONE CARES ABOUT! *BOOM* Yay, X character just sacrificed himself to stop the villian!! Now lets spend 30 issues showing remorse before his inevitable return!!"

 

I still can't figure out how he thinks a deal with the devil is better than a separation or a divorce.

 

i kind of like that they have developed it as ONE universe for the most part tho, throughout these crossover charachters, well atleast as much as they can. So what goes on in one is alittle more chance of carrying over to the others, like the new avengers pre the back story issues. and its hard to not have crossovers when the new avengers and in my opinion the ONLY avengers include spiderman and wolverine etc. it just sort of makes it more real to me that all the charachters in the Marvel U are interacting and aware of eachother more

 

I dont really consider this the same as civil war or WWH. This is basically the next step in the anhilitaion story. The reason these crosovers are so much better then the ones that take place on earth is that they are relelvant. Lets face it marvels cosmic heroes though kinda cool can not carry their own books. However, by keeping them all knitted together and putting them through hell every year you get some great story telling. These guys know how to do crossovers and could teach bendis a few things.
Well...It's not that bendis or millar or morrison are bad writers, thats not it at all. The problem with their crossovers is they are not committed to the chracters they are messing with. Millar can say oh cool lets have spiderman reveal his idenity but he doesnt have to try and salvage a book out of it, thats somebody elses problem. These guys go into other peoples sandboxes destroy them and go "Wow that was a fun ride." Then they leave. They dont give a shit what was there before or what will come after then the next guy comes in and says what the hell is this and retcons everything

 

I think this may be the straw that breaks my comic camal's back. I mean, yeah, I also voiced being tired of events when both WWH and Seccret Invasion rolled around (only to buy both), but yeah, I'm spent. I'm glad that the only two Marvel ongoings I get aren't likely to be invovled in this.

To whoever used the "toppings/pizza" metaphor, kudos. That was brilliant.

 

Please someone make Quesada resign. It's getting to the point where I almost want to wish bodily harm on the twit.

 

DC has just as many, but the difference is you can read Batman RIP, Legion of 3 worlds, Rouges revenge etc, by themselves. Marvel wants you to read 26 different series to understand what is going on.

 

That's not entirely true. The Incredible Hercules tie in to the Secret Invasion is a really good example to that.

While At DC Detective Comics, Robin, Nightwing and Batman are all in one crossover, and seem to contradict each other.

At least Marvel puts out one cross over at a time. At DC there's Final Crisis and it's tie ins, Trinity, Reign in Hell and Batman RIP.

Lets not turn this into a pissing match between the companies; they're both over doing the crossovers. Luckily this looks like a nice big cosmic event. : D

 

Though they claim to be the same Story Robin, Detective, and Night Wing are all individual stories set before(detective) or at the same time (Robin and Nightwing)as RIP They can be read by themselves.

 

I wouldn't really count Trinity or Reign in Hell as crossovers. They're both limited series that exist pretty much in isolation from anything else. And while Final Crisis may have its fair share of tie-ins, at least they're all related miniseries and one-shots. We're not seeing it bleed into almost every book DC is publishing like Secret Invasion or Infinite Crisis. Actually, come to think of it, most of Marvel's recent crossovers have had both tie-ins with other books and tie-in miniseries. I'm not saying DC is totally innocent in this affair, but you have to admit that Marvel is milking these things way more (SI has, what, 90-some tie ins?).

 

DC is just as bad...If not worse.

I used to only read DC and not touch Marvel.

Now it's the other way around.

Still this new crossover doesn't interest me

 

It's the opposite for me. I used to buy way more marvel than DC, but got tired of crossovers with lame outcomes and deals with the devil for stupid out of character reasons. The only Marvel titles I get right now are daredevil,Captain America, and Ultimate Spiderman.