An eye rolling review of the movie....

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by Mazemaster, Jun 30, 2009.

  1. Mazemaster

    Mazemaster Active Member

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    and I quote:

    "In Transformers, it's the opposite problem. With the headiness of opening week over, patrons are purchasing tickets to see how bad the movie actually is and to verify claims of racism. Not to see a solid and well-made film."

    Yep that was the reason I went and saw it twice and am sure it's the main reason it made over 200 million....:rolleyes: 

    To read the full article go here:

    Box office preview: 'Public Enemies' to take on 'Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen'
     
  2. blueandwhite

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    There's nothing better than psychoanalyzing the masses. It's good to know that I went to The Dark Knight because Heath Ledger died and I followed it up by going to ROTF because I wanted to see a poorly-made racist film to get in touch with my inner-Nazi.

    Seriously, why bother digging up idiocy like this?
     
  3. Superion33

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    The only way to gauge the effect ROTF had on the masses is to see how many people go to see TF3.
     
  4. Optimus Prime

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    Okay, we get it, ROTF is the worst movie of the past decade, offensive to all but brain-dead vegetables, and is the death of the Transformers franchise once and for all. Can we just get something along those lines as a sticky post so everyone here knows that ROTF is worse than "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians" and was written by Klansmen with a knack for testicle jokes? Don't want people wasting their money or anything on such a soul-sucking, mind-shredding abomination.
     
  5. Bottom Out

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    dvd sales will confirm or deny the consensus
     
  6. SlyTF

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    I honestly dont see how any of the Transformers movies are racist, even if they are, their just a joke, frekn reject cant take a joke
     
  7. Coeloptera

    Coeloptera Big, bad beetle-bot

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    Did you just try and to defend racism as "just a joke"?

    SERIOUSLY?!

    - Coeloptera
     
  8. messi

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    legs at the box office will show the consensus.
     
  9. Omega_Soundwave

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    I disagree with racism being a joke...but there was absolutely no racism to be found in this movie.
     
  10. Malikon

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    I....I....I think I need that as my signature, lol.

    Shame too, I'm partial to the one I've got.

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    as for the article. So if Ledger hadn't died, then RotF would be the biggest grossing opening weekend? Not bad for a "bad" movie.

    Everyone loves The Dark Knight though. And since RotF keeps getting torn to pieces:

    Batman beats up the Joker inside a police interrogation room. I realize the intent was to show Batman's frustration, but I still found it shocking that Batman would lose control in that way. After all, he is a martial arts master (as told in "Batman Begins") and martial arts above all emphasize self-control and discipline.

    In a previous scene, Batman refuses to kill the Joker when he has the chance. So it's not OK to kill the villain. But apparently it's OK to beat him to a pulp in order to get information from him.

    - Also, if you observe the Joker's makeup and hair length throughout the movie, you'll notice that it's out of whack in this scene. His hair is definitely shorter in this scene than in the rest of the film. Also, his makeup varies throughout the scene, and in a way that can't be attributed to the beating.

    - In one exciting chase scene, a sign that says "Chicago" can be glimpsed along the route. That's because "The Dark Knight" was partially filmed in Chicago. This is a mistake that should have been caught in the editing room. After all, the sign should say "Gotham City."

    - The Joker makes a point of saying that only one of two characters can be saved in a particular scene. Well, why? True, they were in two separate locations. But it didn't necessarily take a Batman to save them, just anyone who could disconnect the explosive devices.

    - The Joker makes a big deal of saying how he never plans anything in a speech to Harvey Dent. However, none of the Joker's nefarious schemes could
    succeed without ... extremely elaborate planning!

    - Why is it, in the beginning of the movie, the bank robbers are able to crash a school bus through the brick walls of the bank without any damage to the bus?

    - How did the Joker manage to get the hospital wired to blow on such sort notice? It's not something that could be done in an hour or two. True, he could have had henchmen do it, but how could they do it and be undetected?

    - When the police examine the guy's stomach with the cell phone implant, why don't they immediately go for help? Or at least get the heck away from him? It's pretty obvious it's not a "contusion," as one character guesses. Given the Joker's proclivity for chaos, I think it would be very clear that something bad was about to happen.

    # Many of the most vexing danglers and mixed-up concepts come from the Joker's trip to jail-- a trip, we learn, which the Joker intended to take. It's revealed that the Joker intentionally let himself be captured by the police in order to get into the Major Crimes Unit's lockup so he could kill Lao, the crooked Hong Kong businessman. He wants to kill Lao because Lao is the chief witness for the prosecution against the mobsters Harvey Dent and the Gotham PD indicted.
    # As the movie constantly tells us, Harvey Dent's credibility is essential to the prosecution of these mobsters. Batman himself tells Dent that if people found out Dent was pulling his Russian roulette routine with the Joker's henchman, the prosecution would fall apart.
    # But the elaborate, dangerous chase scene that the Joker set up to attack Harvey Dent in the police truck-- an event, remember, that the Joker took part in so he could get arrested and get to Lao-- happens after Harvey Dent "admits" to being the Batman.
    # So wouldn't Dent's credibility already be null? Wouldn't the prosecution fall apart anyway? If Dent's integrity is so vital to the prosecution of these mobsters, as the movie insists on telling us again and again, why would the Joker go to so much trouble to attack Lao? What sense does that make? And how could Dent have prosecuted the mobsters if he was in jail for being Batman, anyway?
    # Of course, it's hard to imagine why the Joker would go through such an elaborate, incredibly dangerous attack on the police convoy if he only intended to do it in order to get arrested. I mean he does seem to make a real effort to kill Dent, but again, if Dent is dead, why the pretense of going to jail? Lao becomes useless without Dent, and anyway at that point both the crusading DA and Batman would be Dent. (Joker tells us, after all, that he really thought Dent was Batman.)
    # Why would Gordon house not only the Joker, but also the Jokers cronies (including the one with the cell phone bomb implanted inside of him) in the same MCU holding facility that houses Lao? I thought the whole point was that nobody else would be in MCU to kill Lao.
    # Now with the Joker in custody, Gordon and Batman grill him to find out where Dent and Rachel are, who have suddenly disappeared. (Why Gordon didn't immediately think "Hey I wonder if the cops who took Dent and Rachel home might be involved, I don't know.) Eventually the Joker talks (kind of invalidating the whole "you can't get me to talk cause you won't kill me" speech, but whatever). Gordon and Batman race off to try and save Rachel and Dent. (The Joker having played a flip flop regarding Dent and Rachel, for reasons that weren't 100% clear to me other than, you know, he's one bad dude).
    # Here comes what to me was the just laugh out loud, are-you-kidding-me part. The Joker, who has killed dozens and terrorized Gotham, fought the Batman hand-to-hand to a standstill and pretty much revealed himself to be the A-number one badass on the planet, is left in an interrogation room (not a cell, mind you)...unshackled...alone... with a single, middle aged cop in a suit. Now, the holding cell that has the Joker's crony with the cell phone-bomb inside him appears to have an entire precinct full of cops in it. But the Joker? One old dude. Who either has a key, or just has the door unlocked, because the Joker quickly takes him hostage and walks into the other room.
    # He takes the cop hostage, by the way, so he can make his one phone call, and thereby trigger the bomb in his buddy, creating confusion and allowing him to get to Lao, so he can kill Lao (preventing the prosecution of the mobsters) and find out where the money is. Of course, this plot could have been foiled if, instead of leaving this one, conveniently old cop to stand alone in the cell with the Joker, the cops had just locked the door of the interrogation room, or, call me crazy, put him in a cell.
    # But the Joker does take the hostage, he does call the cell phone bomb, it does blow up, which does create the conditions that allow him to get to Lao, who he does get the location of the money from, and then kills. So here's the real question: why does he bother to kill Lao at all, if he's only going to kill the mobsters? Why prevent a prosecution if your intention is only to kill the people being prosecuted? Was it so he could find out where the money is? (The money, by the way, is apparently sitting in a boat in Gotham harbor, instead of on its way to Hong Kong). He just burns the money! And if his intention was just to kill the mobsters and set their dogs on them, again... why kill Lao? It's not like he needs to get the head mobsters out of jail; the head mobsters have made bail. They're there for the Joker to kill anyways, and he does. He just wants to free all the of their lieutenants and goons so they can be in his gang? Again, Dent is about to blow up, as far as he knows. And his credibility is already shot, or at least it was as far as the Joker knew when he intentionally got arrested. So doesn't that mean, by the movie's own assertion, that the prosecution is screwed anyway? Why go through all the rigmarole?

    **disclaimer: I did not type these, I lifted them off of other sites**

    Yes even the media darling Dark Knight Returns is riddled with tons of plot holes. Aw, so sad. Further proving my point that for some reason people just seem to want to hate RotF and tear it apart while overlooking plotholes just as large and glaring in other movies.
     
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    Intellectuals are stupid.
     
  12. Airraid

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    Yeah I didn't see the racism either, Omega.. considering the "gangsta", and uneducated are not races. Thus saying that the twins were racist characters is an absolute fail. It may be a take on how some people nowadays think the "gangsta" look and speech is cool. That is in no way a race of it's own, though. It's just a person's style.

    If that's the way we are looking at it, then this form of "racism" can be found throughout the entire film. For example, Megatron represents a terrorist warlord. Ah geez, Megatron's continual loses and failures in both movies must be racist against terrorists. On a similar note, I'm surprised PETA hasn't had a fit about the movie because Bumblebee destroyed a mechanical cat and Sam pulled the head off a mechanical fly.

    Critics are overreacting. Anyone that I have talked to has really enjoyed the film. They didn't care about the stupid humor. Considering a load of movies nowadays are packed full of this crap, no tact, humor and passed off as "comedies." Transformers puts a small amount of this humor into it's movie and it gets slammed for it. Transformers has always had stupid jokes in it. Remember Jazz saying: "Hey guys, that's snow fair!" True it's not the same, but hopefully you get the point.

    Either way, if someone went to the film to see Transformers battling it out, then they weren't disappointed. If they were going to see Emmy award winning storytelling and epic-scale plot lines then they are out of luck. It's a shame that people are so quick to point out every flaw and completely look past what was good.

    Just one last thought. Saying that no one liked the film and that they are just going to see a failed movie is complete bullshit. I went to an early showing the Monday before the release and several times throughout the movie, the crowd literally cheered and clapped. Two instances were when Bumblebee kicked Ravages ass, and when Optimus was revived. The audience broke into applause, including the mass amounts of press that were there. I have never been at a movie that the audience has clapped in my entire life. Surely they were clapping at how poor the movie was, and they were glad it was a flop :rolleyes: 
     

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