Maybe this is what Skyfire and perceptor believe, not "naturally occurring cogs and gears!" There were 13 robotic mechs that "discovered" a strange artifact on an alien planet, and it modified the mechs, creating sparks of life to allow individual sentience The process that allowed them to behave uniquely gave them a system that randomized the core attributes of sparks in the process of creating a new spark for an empty mech. In response, the first 13 created what they called Nexus prime from one of the oldest 13 which was dying, giving new life to him by adding power and splitting the old spark into it's five essences, when the five sparks were reinstalled, they modified the one old body into a smaller set of five bodies for each spark. A drawback was his memory was unstable, eventually degrading if the five were separated long enough. Junkions are a race of mechs that were faulty, but they gained sentience when nexus prime crashed on their home, the combiner's unique abilities giving the mechs the ability to learn to combine parts for "A NEWER, BETTER YOU!" and how to create spark-less life. After a time, the 13 primes modified their manufacturing world into the mech of the primes, though it was originally a normal moon. eras passed, the 13 explored, gaining abilities, eventually, Megatronus grew power hungry and stole more power from the allspark, siphoning his more chaotic-side into an alien mech body, that later took the name of "Sideways" before trying to seize power from the other "primes". A tanklike energy converter on a moon near the prime's mech was given a portion of the power the mech known as "Megatronus" had by sideways, but the sparkchamber was formed faulty, creating an insatiable hunger and such power in the mech he was un-controllable. Now known as Unicron, he wandered through space, eventually finding a monkey like creature that had designed a planet sized robot, but lacked the material to create it, striking a deal to manufacture the robot, Unicron forced the creature to transfer his spark to the nearly completed robot, forming a head from the remainder of the production equipment, Unicron started wandering the galaxy. In time, Quintessons found the young race, and studied them, modifying them into more modernized, sturdier beings, some more for weaponry loadouts, others for construction and transport. Over time, the mechs made on the planet heard of these tales, though mysticized by the gathering of Sideways' pupils to create fear of unicron. The eons of the tales' retelling had begun corrupting "prime's mech" into "primus' mech" and eventually dropped the mech part, the computers hooked to the allspark held a degree of sentience, though were childlike and gullible. Energon was their fuel before they gained life, it can over energize the body, giving a "drunk" sensation, it also pacifies sparks for a long term if they're stored inside a cube. Ideas on how hole filled that is considering what we've gotten consistently in almost any "universe" of the Transformers? (not based off of the mystic "light and dark beings" they have done)
where did you get all this info from? some of it sounds interesting. is this all official info or fan fiction?
It's my OPINION on how Cybertronian life, mythos and powers can be explained without "THE PLANET IS A GOD!" in the main universe. (SG is too underdeveloped to elaborate on yet.) Merely based off of info I've seen from the comics, cartoons and official material I've read about or seen.
Those are all interesting opinions and seem to fill a couple of holes here and there. They're still a bit sporadic sounding and don't quite make a cohesive whole yet. Good work on what you've done, though. One thing I've never quite understood is why people are so against the inclusion of 'Gods' and mysticism/religion in Transformers. They're a race of sentient beings just like our own, why can't they have a richer history and culture just as we do? After all, the entire concept is personifying machines so, why not give them the -full- 'human experience'? - Besides, it opens so many doors for future storytelling. A zealot (IDW Galvatron), a follower of old ways (Bludgeon/Banzaitron/Animated Prowl/etc), a hero who believes in Primus as a human would the Christian/Jewish/Muslim God. A disillusioned, disgruntled former believer with a chip on his shoulder. - And that's just off the top of my head. Making them out to be -just- machines is kind of...lame really. =\ That's all my own opinion, though.
If they weren't already alive, then how could they "discover" anything? You would think that with buzz-words like "diversity", "multiculturalism" and "inclusion", there would be more room, or "tolerance" for such positions- not only within the realm of fiction but in our own real world. However such ideals tend to go only one way. I think that some peple feel uncomfortable or even powerless with the notion that they were created by a higher power that they could be accountable to; so instead they either create a diety in their own image, or they write it off all together- which puts their own existance in the hands of chance. Personally, I am down with a Cybertronian culture that reflects our own: where good and evil is equally spread out through the secular and the saintly... the believing in the good, the believing in the evil and the non-belief.
Here's my problem in a nut shell with Primus as an origin of the Transformers: The Transformer routinely build other Transformers. So, if Primus is "God" because he created the Transformers, and Wheeljack can make Dinobots, then what makes Wheeljack all that different from Primus? Primus is bigger and older? Big deal. The Quint origin works much more effectively in explaining a race of machines, and it levels the playing field in terms of machines building other machines as just being, you know, part of machinedom...which is how it is routinely treated in the fiction. There's nothing wrong with Transformers having religion/mysticism - they can worship Quints, they can worship things other than that responsible for their origin, whatever works for the story. But as an actual origin, Primus is kind of lame, IMO. "Where'd all the machines come from?" "Another machine built them." "Oh...that makes sense...why are we calling it religion?" "Because Simon Furman insists this first machine is magic!" "...why does a machine need magic to make other machines? We have machines that build other machines in the real world." "Why are you intolerant of religion?" "I'm not...I'm just questioning the story logic." "He's magic, okay!"
I'm not trying to remove religious personalities, merely show that there is information lost in mysticism, perhaps there was no magic creator being for them, maybe, by a freak accident, they gained life. does life that is created by a freak accident make it inferior to being used by a supremely powerful being, that allows such evil as the slaughter of war to exist when it could prevent it? if it lacked the power to change the way life goes near it, it is not supreme. As for the non sentient mechs, they were piloted explorer units, not alive, the probes we send out are not alive, yet they discover things. the pilots may have been reprocessed into the spark, giving additional "programming" to the personalities.
