alspark ? matrix ? sentinel prime ?

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  1. kindred187

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    1. ok. from what i know and remember. each autobot leader ( prime ) possesed the matrix of leadership right? so then sentinal prime was a leader without ever having possesion of the matrix of leadership because the first 7 primes hid it away? is that right or wrong.. or just crappy script writting?

    2; if the allspark had all the power then was the matrix powerless untill the allspark was destroyed? or are they the same thing just in 2 different vessels?
     
  2. Prime17

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    1. Only the 7 primes carried the Matrix. Sentinel Prime and Optimus were just decadents. The Matrix doesn't make you a prime.

    2. The Matrix was only a key to the star harvester until Sam's knowledge he got from the Allspark transfer to it.
     
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    1. The Matrix doesn't have history of being a symbol of leadership in the movieverse.

    2. The AllSpark was a carrier for certain powers, that power went into Sam in RotF when the shard reacted with him. When the Matrix was granted to Sam, the power that was in the AllSpark (now in Sam) was transferred into the Matrix. The Matrix seemed to be meant to be solely a key to the Solar Harvester. In a way, the Matrix was "unfortunate" in being forced to carry the AllSpark power as Sam was.
     
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    1. Optimus didn't have it either until ROTF.

    2. Even before the AllSpark was destroyed, the Matrix is still powerful. It can revive a Transformer's spark.
     
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    or at least the spark of a prime otherwise all dead autobots would ahd been ressurected
     
  6. super mecha

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    Sentinel wasn't dead, he was just in sleep mode due to lack of energon
     
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    InB4 "Huh-derr it are crappy scriptwriting!" Actually the Matrix is not what it is in other series, at least not at first. It is a an energy key designed to start the Harvester. It contains the wisdom of the original Primes, not decendants. However once Sam, who had absorbed the knowledge of the Allspark, "earned" the true Matrix said knowledge made it's way into it, thus making it essentially the same Matrix as other continuities from that point on.

    The Allspark creates Energon, that's it's main purpose. The Matrix is like a tiny Allspark used to jumpstart the Harvester and keep it running when the Allspark recharges. However now that the Allspark's gone and it's knowledge contained in the Matrix, the Matrix is the only true Energon-producing vessel. It's like the Allspark only it won't be accidentally bringing shit to life.
     
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    1) The movieverse is a different in that the Matrix was not necessarily carried by a Prime. It was designed as a activation key to power the star harvesters like the one on Earth in Egypt.

    2) In the movieverse, the title of Prime is passed down more or less through those chosen by a previous prime, or the one second in command.

    3) The All Spark and the Matrix were two different and distinct devices, each designed for two completely different purposes. However, the Matrix would have recieved it's power intially from the All Spark, then like the cube, would have it's power levels constantly recharged through contact with a greater energy( Such as a star that is destroyed to obtain the elements necessary to manufacture artificial energon.)

    Hope this helps.
     
  9. super mecha

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    The prime title is not passed down. It is born with.
     
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    Optimus blows up the matrix at the end of ROTF so I guess it magically reformed again.......right?
     
  11. super mecha

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    magically out of thin air
     
  12. Dinobot747

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    Which would have caused even less screen time for others, causing even more people to complain. And we have enough of that as it is. Though it would have been nice to see my favorite 'Bot from the first movie back in one piece again...
     
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    It never showed the Matrix actually getting destroyed, it was just in the middle of one big kablooie. Maybe it's invincible, or at least really fudgin' hard to destroy. With something as important as that, I would think it would be built to last.
     
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    i know that, but optimus was fully dead in ROTF
     
  15. super mecha

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    lol sorry, misread the whole thing
     
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    Not in the movieverse it isn't. The canon writings specify this that are kept by Hasbro. Movieverse is a seperate entity that may in some way relate to or disagree with the previous story arcs.:thumbs2: 
     
  17. super mecha

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    where is your proof?

    Dynasty of Primes - Transformers Wiki

    check it

     
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    I don't need to produce proof that has already been stated by Hasbro. They don't exactly lend out copies of their docs. That'd be like 343 Studios trusting me with the Halo Bible. Isn't gonna happen.
     
  19. super mecha

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    did you even read what i told you to read..... fail
     
  20. Chris McFeely

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    Yeah, dude, the whole POINT of the "Prime" title in the Movieverse is that it's a dynasty you're born into - not something that the finished films themselves have actually gone into explicitly, but strongly implied by the way The Fallen singles out Primes and calls Optimus the last of them, and outright STATED in dialogue in an earlier script revision where Megatron wants to become a Prime under the Fallen, and Optimus explains that he CAN'T, because you can't just be "made" a Prime, you have to be born into the role. This formed the basis of a lot of the comics. The title isn't randomly handed down to whoever above you thinks you'd make a great next Prime - that's the G1 method. The "dynasty and descendants" aspect has carried over into the Aligned continuity as well.
     

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