A Shocking Thing about RID/TFP.Heavy Spoilers

Discussion in 'Transformers Robots In Disguise / Prime Discussion' started by Awesomepow, Sep 18, 2017.

  1. Magneon Sentinel

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    Jeez... these questions feel more like insults than actual inquiries. I don't think RID is bad, it just had the unfortunate job of following up a show like prime.
     
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    You just gotta lead by example. Don't let the NEGATRONS bring you down. A lot of times, people aren't that bad, but they have poor social skills. So instead of respectfully disagreeing with your POV, they call you a troll. :rolleyes2  If you go to a TF Convention and see some of these fans in person, you might understand their bizarrely cruel attitudes online - they just don't get out enough and their social problems don't get addressed in a meaningful way (so their poor attitudes just get worse).

    But let's take an alternative point of view and NOT give Hasbro too much credit: Hasbro knows full well what TF fans are like, so they shouldn't be "surprised" or "insulted" or any of that BS. If Mr. Beechen chose to answer specifically disrespectful questions, I believe he did so with SOME kind of agenda (maybe to make fans feel bad for their behavior?). And moreover, TF fans sometimes exhibit unhealthy, HOARDING behavior, right? Hasbro also understands this and sells them more junk. :(  You know how alcohol ads are supposed to tell you to "drink responsibly"? Or how casinos are required to tell you about gambling addiction and where to find help?

    Yeah, TF collecting is very similar, in that you can spend a good chunk of change (and literally impoverish yourself)... yet Hasbro takes no corporate responsibility to help educate some of their customers. So yeah, let's not feel TOO bad for Hasbro. They're not exactly an innocent angel in this affair.

    And Mr. Beechen fully explains how RID was mainly for newer fans - he has no business b*tching about older fans not liking a program he catered for a different audience. :rolleyes2  What's professional here is to ignore that criticism, not throw gasoline on it. :eek: 
     
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    Man I walk into this thread hoping to get some meat geek goodness from the mind of a Transformers creator....and I got some poor guy who loves his show and SHOULD (honestly RID in it\'s time really has become something great) being insulted and belittled in the guise of questions.

    I usually ignore that area of the fandom but seriously

    What. The. Fuck.
     
     
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    This is fucking pathetic. I am very disappointed in these questions...
     
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    It is true, when Prime was on people did a lot of moaning about it, why it wasnt like animated. When Rid was on people moaned about why it wasnt like Prime. I didn't like Rid much and i made my feelings known but i hope i didn't sit here for weeks on end bashing it. Didn't want to be that guy.

    I had nothing nice or important to say so i left, spare the people who do like the show some.
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised if people say "Why isn't Cyberverse like RID".
     
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    No dude, be sane here, there is no Agenda, you can go on Twitter right now, search the tweets made at Adam, ALL of them, and you'll see a good number of them that are genuinely abrasive and annoying people. People that would tweet at him then go on their page shit talk the man and his work. This is in public, he was not picking and choosing to make people mad, it just happens that the people seeking him out were autists with a chip on their shoulder. This has been going on for the last 3 years, this is the first time he has done anything close to being snarky or sarcastic after years of being polite to people.

    The man simply had enough and decide to answer, he's not bitching about older fans not liking a program, he's genuinely upset at people seeking him out in various social platforms to ask and yell the same things he's answered over and over and over for a considerable timeframe.
     
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    I am disappointed with the show, I will not deny that.

    But attacking this guy is not necessary, nor will it change anything. What's done is done.
     
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    He got reamed. If you can't take the heat though, you get out of the kitchen. It doesn't excuse belligerent behavior, but a lot of the criticisms are either fair or just emotional responses that are just as valid, even if stated in a way that insults him personally.

    That said, the dearth of serious entertainment and quality fiction has left a lot of fans hanging. This is ultimately a reflection of that. Hopefully that will be changing, just as the fans now dominate the overall direction of the toys.
     
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    OMG this fandom.

    RID is a show for my kids to watch and some of you want the show to cater to you? Hilarious, there are too few of you to out-buy the kids! Just because you are a fan doesn't mean the brand has to bow down to you, they bow down to the target consumers.

    Can you imagine if the cartoons become like those botcon fanfics? There's a reason why most TF fans don't read those botcon fanfics. They aren't any good except to a very tiny audience.

    Hasbro ignores this part of fandom and now they turn to attack the guy who makes the cartoons for the kids...
     
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    Two thoughts:

    1. Yes, people need to avoid being douchey--especially to someone who has just been trying to do their job and is taking the time to engage with fans. Fans, I might add, that generally aren't even in the show's target demographic.
    2. On the other hand, the folks who chastise people for whining about RID and then get whiney themselves about Prime in their very next breath have absolutely no standing to wag fingers. This is the definition of hypocrisy. A lot of people here used to bash Prime incessantly. Some of these same people are now totally incensed that anyone would hang around here bashing RID. The lack of self-awareness there is amazing.
     
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    I don't like RID, but seeking out a show creator to insult him is just mean and pointless. If you're actively trying to make someone feel bad, step back and ask yourself what you're doing.

    For the record, one of the reasons I don't like RID is because I think it fails to respect its target audience: children. Compare RID to Rescue Bots--which is aimed at an even younger demographic than RID (3 to 5 year olds)--and the quality of writing is night and day. To me RID feels like the absolute minimum effort was put into it. (Except the voice cast, good voice cast.)
     
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    I'm extremely disappointed in the people who actually went out of their way to criticize him and the show. Asking questions is great and he seems to enjoy answering them since he shows a lot of love for RID.

    However, there is a line that needs to be drawn and it's clear that he's met the people who only want everything to be Prime Part 2. It's not his fault, he was told to make a show and was given creative freedom to make it whatever he and the rest of the team want to make it about. The only draw is Prime has to be connected to it, and it's clear they intended RID as a spin-off, not a sequel.

    The people posting rants and even threats? Absolute nonsense. This is a kid's show for crying out loud and whether you like RID or don't like it, that does not give you the right to go out of your way to criticize him and attack him.

    There are some people who are doing it the right way and politely asking him questions and always making sure not to overstep. Those are the people he seems to enjoy talking to, the others seem to just want to get at him for not making Prime Part 2.
     
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    Is it just me or is this interviewer practically snarling with contempt and his/her words dripping with sarcasm (EDIT: apparently these were questions by a host of fans and not just one person)? Adam deserves special acclaim for even fielding this person's questions without ending the interview early. There is so much to despise about interviewers who come in openly hostile and DO NOT speak for the greater majority of fans but instead pretty much solely for their own interests. In other words, other than what was said by Adam that helped to flesh out their motivations for the show, this interview didn't need to happen in the way that it did. Not all adult fans are this snarling and hostile. Geez...

    Also, it bears interjecting that not all fans were lamenting the loss of Prime and hoping that RID would simply be TFPrime vol2. I love Prime and still have my Blu ray's if I want to re-watch those episodes but there is no harm in creating a new show that used Prime as a launching pad in order to tell completely different stories via tone, content, characters, etc. I don't love RID the way that I do Prime, but who knows where it will fall in my personal ranking once the show is done and the next phase of cartoon storytelling begins in '18.

    And for the record... I hate the speech impediment gimmick for Fix-it. If that character is brought into the next show please for the love of mercy and all that is holy... ditch that.
     
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    Whoa :wtf: 

    Can't you guys just enjoy what you have?
     
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    Personally I always found Prime kinda dull and uninteresting for some reason. I don't really know why but it didn't draw me in. RID's done that better for some reason. And Prime just felt like it took itself too seriously to me. Prime got all the push Hasbro could give it and they tried to make it the cornerstone of their network. RID got stuck in a 6:30 timeslot. And yet RID has still done pretty good.

    Yeah the whole thing with Steeljaw recruiting his pack, the Decepticon Island bit, Starscream hunting the Minicons, The Stunticons, what Soundwave's up to with his minicons and the council on Cybertron... Those are story arcs. They are just not making every episode revolve around them, but using them as subplots. If this were Prime we'd be on our 20th hunt for cybertronian relics that are on earth.
    No. That's something that adults and fans are fine with, but it's not such a great idea. It's fine to have easter eggs or allusions, but most kids don't want to do more homework than they need to, since they've got actual homework. Yes if they are into it they'll try to find out more, but they shouldn't need to to understand imprtant things.
    Yeah... They've got certain character types they love to reuse. It's been like this in many ways since Beast Wars. Seriously it was Cheetor who codified the whole yellow kid appeal character type. Of course again this is where executive meddling comes in. For example Grimlock wasn't originally in the show, it was going to be Scowl as the younger dinobot character. But with AOE coming Hasbro wanted to push Grimlock and get him locked in as one of the face characters. Like with how Ratchet replaced Red Alert in Animated.
    As I said Prime just seemed... Dull to me. Like a brown and grey shooter. RID also benefits from being able to mix up decepticons more at least than Prime did. Aside from the toy aspect, different antagonists can help keep things from getting too stale if done right. Whereas if it's the same bad guy with the same goon squad every week it kinda can get repeatative.

    Honestly I'd prefer something like Justice League Unlimited. That so did a great job balancing stand alones and story arcs, giving characters development, and was able to work focus episodes on both big name characters like Superman and lesser known ones like the Question. But Beechen was also hired to do a show with some specific conditions by Hasbro, and had to work around them.

    We'll have to wait and see what Cyberverse is going to be like, but I suspect that if we want a deeper story arc driven show, we'll have to keep waiting. I'm a little worried it'll try to rip off the Teen Titans whacky comedy style.
     
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    TF: Animated did this perfectly and was a breath of fresh air compared to Prime or even RID as regards the more serious tone. It can work when done right and Animated proved that. That said I agree with you that Animated pretty much already did the wacky comedy style, so to revisit that tone seems like repeating themselves. I doubt they will do that. Just my two pennies
     
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    Okay, looked at the front page. As much as I don't like the show, man, these people were assholes to Adam. I say that because for some reason I kept thinking this was a website or a group of TFW users asking him this, but I now understand that these people were just mostly anons hiding behind a screen. What a bunch of fucking assholes.
     
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    I still don't like RID, neither the show nor the toys, but it's just a matter of personal taste, I don't have to feel offended if the show is not what I expected.

    On this interview, some people forgot they are talking to a professional, who makes the best to complete a job, and took time and effort on it. It doesn't matter if the result is not what you expected, you have to respect and ask properly. You don't have to be rude to express your point, you are not a "better fan" for hating something that is not according to your parameters.
     
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