Don't mistake this for one of those "I like a girl, help me" threads. I'm past high school, my balls have indeed dropped and I'm capable of asking a girl out should the need arise. So it's not one of those threads. Instead my dilemma comes from where do you meet girls? Where did those of you with long term significant others meet? I find people telling me I need to get out to pubs and clubs more and/or learn to dance in order to meet girls. Which is fair enough. My dilemma comes from the type of girl you meet and the relationship you form. In my mind I don't see how you can form any sort of meaningful relationship with anyone by being totally hammered and flailing at them like you're having a seizure. I understand how that can work in terms of casual sex, which really doesn't interest me. Well it does interest me, not just the amount of preparation that goes into it like chat up lines and buying drinks. Too much expense and effort, casual sex should just be "ready, set, fuck" really. This isn't a "I'm desperate for a girlfriend" thing either. I'm just curious to find out if my thinking is wrong and that you can form something deep and meaningful at a bar (or at least start to) or if the general consensus is that the best relationships come about slowly without a particularly direct approach, that is to say that you don't set out with any particular romantic or sexual intentions. Does this make sense?