Many/most TF fans say the Takara Brave TF toys aren't transformers. some even go as far as to say the repaints from victory/zone/battle stars put into brave's toy line/cartoons aren't transformers. BASED solely off because the box & instructicons say brave & not transformers. The same Bizzarro deal goes for all those robotech Valkyre VF-1 Skull leader robot/jet toys who 1985 Jetfire was based off. specifically the skull leader VF-1 valkyre with the face plate+visor eyes Jetfire head style. Many/most TF fans say it's not a true transformers. because it's got a different labeled brand box & instructions. even going as far as to dis-credit various VF-1 Valkyre skull leader master piece toys like the toynami & macross versions as masterpiece jetfire toys. Yet those same TF fans,HERE'S THE FUN PART. Consider all those 3rd party igear,fan projects,TFClubs,etc... toys that looks like transformers from the past. to be considered true Blue 100% real transformers. EVEN THOUGH THE BOX ISN'T LABELED WITH THE TF LOGO,TF NAME. and the instructicons doesn't call it a transformer character. So what i'm basically seeing here is contradictory altered beliefs.