Heavy/Scratch: TF4 Project AOE development [Shapeways]

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  1. cnomis

    cnomis Well-Known Member

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    6 Oct update:

    Sorry to post it late. Becoz i leave my bee at office. According to the 7 Oct Shapeways issue, i release it earlier. The mouth mask was failed. there will be a new head sculpt individually.

    That s it. You can wait to next version or order it before 7 Oct with a "normal" price.

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    Find the order link in the first page, thx.
     
  2. dedguy

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    I just read their post on pricing strong and flexible and it sounds like they're /lowering/ costs not raising them unless I'm missing something.
     
  3. Prime135

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    Is there any way to widen the clip so the gun can clip on to the panel on the side of the arm and sit perpendicular to the arm like in the movie?
     
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    I heard this for some of there materials as wel but I think some of the others more so the metals are getting a bump in cost.
     
  5. f-primusunicron

    f-primusunicron i just wanna be loved

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    the problem is this, they are not exactly LOWERING, they are using a new pricing system, but it is not lowering all the models, it does decrease the price in bigger models, but the small ones are increasing, some even 10 times the base price which is insane, thats why, and overall most that decrease are only a tiny bit
     
  6. cnomis

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    Actually, you can clip in the front. i think this looks better, personally :) 

    Thx f-primusunicron, i admit that not every item raise, but 10 of my item raise when just 1 get down is the truth.

    i think the new calculation way is that they count every solid material in. That means Shapeways made us to hollow everything to minimums our model like Hasbro figures.

    However, the truth is, Shapeways is the best performance online support 3D printing network. In fact, i ve try the other 2, they cannot recognized my model or upload fail.

    i will try my best to improve the models to keep them cost "reasonable".
     
  7. dedguy

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    Sounds good. It seems like even with the price increase it's not that bad, at least for me.

    A question, on the previous page, are the Slug/Strafe parts printed in regular WSF or the polished?
     
  8. hthrun

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    Unfortunately I'll have to wait until after the price change. Money's been tight and I'm still hoping to order some UFO RotF Megatron hands... But I'm definitely still highly interested in most of these sets. I'll probably just have to order them one at a time. I think Strafe will be my first choice...

    Quick question, does the leader Grimlock set involve any partsforming with the new hands?
     
  9. shadeozero

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    OKay @cnomis I love the in hand print pics, but I am noticing some problems here is my thoughts on things I think could use minor tweak,change , and improvement I mean no offense and understand the amount of work 3d people put into these prints, I am judging it by appearance of pics alone.
    Strafe:
    1.Perfect good job

    Scorn:
    1.Does scorns new head able to transform as well or is it partsforming?
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    A whole segmented tail piece(know your working on it) or a new tail whip/lance piece that can be used with the new arm and still be able to transform and he is done
    2. a left arm to math the right with same kind of style for hand but make a new dino head to peg onto the side of the arm or store somewhere in robot mode but still able to be used as a dino head in dino mode if possible that will make his robot mode amazing, also maybe a better sword as well?
    Slag:
    Perfect but thought of something as I was fiddling with him that can improve two things his short robot mode and dino mode length.
    1. his upper part of his leg that connects to the ball joint on his crotch, copy that piece but make it a bit longer, this will put him in better scale in robot mode and will move the legs further back in dino mode to allow the tail section to fold down easier while adding more proportionate length to dino mode.

    slog:
    1.maybe hands that can swivel/rotate to get rid of gorilla arms is all.

    Grimlock:
    Major improvement but still some small problems here and there.
    1. his dino feet in dino mode, something needs to be done. probably bigger dino feet and bigger dino ankle as it just looks really thin and disproportioned. It is really obvious in his first and second dino mode pic.
    2. I know your against doing it but I think will drastically make the figure a fudge ton better is bigger dino mode arms and a more accurate dino head proportionate to the body. this is what makes his dino mode seem off a lot of the time.
    3. finally and small nitpick and this you might not even be able to do because I do not know size of the pieces, but your print hip armor, maybe make them a tad smaller because in dino mode it doesn't align the same size with the tail it bulks more at the tip of the tail.

    Snarl:
    1. Gorilla arm fix done

    Slash:
    1.Gorilla arm fix

    I know this is a lot of talk but I am putting my money where my mouth is I have $200 I have set aside for you and another shapeways user and waiting for all these tweaks/ kits to be done
     
  10. cnomis

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    i always print in WSF Polished.

    The hands are replacement part, they sit behind the dino leg like the original one. The ankle joint is add-on, the tail upper handle is replacement part too, as the lower parts are add-on.

    Pls tell me anytime if my model's description not clear. Thx.


    Thx shadeozero, you are my big fan. & you always give me ideas. ;) 

    A really long paragraph. Let me take them down 1 by 1.

    Scorn & Strafe: i enjoy working the Strafe kit too. Scorn's new head is don mode compatible, but with the new height, it would bulb a bit. & the segmented tail, i think you will need to switch between with the alpha hand. Becoz it is too heavy if i attach them together, they will keep falling.

    A head on left hand is weird to me, coz upon the concept art, he is in form of imbalance design.

    Slag: Your idea is cool, i think he is too thin in his robot mode. Maybe i tweak them in version 2.0.

    Slog: I will not do models that need someone to un-pin. besides, my new handle solve the problem of he could not strike straight.

    Snarl & Slash:Snarl expensive in my local, study him when i ve the chance to get one. i ve spoke to make a new legend Slash, thus i will not do anything for the deluxe one.

    Grimlock: Point 1 & 2 i ve been thinking through. i think his original claw is big enough or maybe too big. A bigger claw won't make him stand better, but also make the bot mode arm too bulky. Again, any part need to un-pin or mold is not objective of this kit.

    You might find my pic of tail weird, coz that mid part is not the final version. The handle should be shorter, the hinge should be shorter too. Pls let me get final piece & share to you, see that would be nicer or not.

    Thx.
     
  11. cnomis

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    7 Oct update:

    Pls forgive i update you in pieces, Shapeways 7 Oct event make me crazy busy. i ve update the Slag mace handle with some twist deco, upon to someone's request (forgive this too i cannot remember your ID).

    Moreover, someone asked "Is Beevolution kit work with alt mode?". The answer is yes! Pls check it out.

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  12. shadeozero

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    Thanks hope im not being a nuisance I also got some pics to hopefully better explain some of my ideas posting them soon. Again too I know most of my ideas you probably aren't interested in but I would help crowd fund a lot of the ideas/improvements I have for each figure to bring out all of each figures potential and to just re clarify some points, probably the last time I will do this until I get snarl in hand as these are all the improvements I see via non pin removal upgrades. I would appreciate you reading all of these next few posts carefully and I know its time consuming to read but its for the greater good of making figures look kick ass. The goal of these posts is to detail these upgrades with pics(last time till snarl) and to get all the dinos to a better scale(voyager or close to it) as well with leader grim.

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    so the movie art of grimlock and we see already the circled red areas of what needs improvement , keeping in mind you already nailed some. Notice the length of the dino alt mode arms, bulk of the dino feet around the ankles. and an optional mace hand but im sure a lot of people can live without that one.
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    with your pic of the current upgrades we can see the ankle pieces that connect to the dino feet need to be bulked out and the dino mode arms lengthened.
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    It is possible to do this upgrade as the forearm of the dino simply plus out so a new forearm piece longer and possibly with bigger claws can be made and plugged in its place without having to remove pin from the dinos shoulder.
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    So this pic just showing what im talking about and obviously the tail is done already. That's it for grimlock really you did a major improvement already with him with your current progress and I thank you.

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    So his movie art. Scorn tends to get a little complicated but nothing too big as you have already done the majority of the work with the arms. Basically his new arm you designed would have to be copied over to his other side removing the other with some minor tweaks, thus making it more accurate to the above image. The stock dino head and upper thighs would have to be scrapped because in the image scorns dino head does not become his arm it splits and attaches to his thighs in robot mode and yes it does parts form as is evident of the dino alt mode in the pic has no mouth jaw piece and instead has a hole there for the dino head to attach when transformed. My idea is to have a new dino head and thigh piece. The thigh piece would be a bit longer to add height and better proportions to scorn while allowing for a new dino head to split in half and peg on each thigh. The new dino head how it would attach in dino alt mode would be for the two halves to come together over the forearm sort of like a shell. Kind of simple mods but highly effective in drastically making it more accurate. Then the same thing with the tail as We've discussed back and forth lol same concept but this time the forearm slides into it. Pics to hopefully help understand what im talking about.
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  13. shadeozero

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    SLAG:
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    Okay this is where its complicated and all depends on you, ( keep in mind if your willing to do the work I am willing to help fund it) so essentially his whole torso to his crotch is all one piece and is pinned at the part that fold inwards. His upper legs(not the purple part) same thing pinned. These are the parts that need to be bulked out and lengthend, his arms might not need to be but might have to depending on the change his dino mode can remain the same, same thing with his purple lower legs, the new torso would have to trans form the same way and have ball joints for the dino arms and robot arms and the crotch piece needs a tail that your mace(nice job) can still attach. these new pieces could all be peg pieces similar to what calloway has done with his guzzle kit in the sense you have a male peg post on one half and female socket on other and can either be glued together or screwed. Pics should help explain as well.
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    The green lines being the new size of the new parts more or less but forgot to put lines for the upper part of legs to add height as well to overall robot mode.

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    I know you are set on doing your own legends size slash but for those of us who just want a upgraded of the original maybe you could help out, surprisingly the easiest of them all to do in my opinion. 2 new parts, new dino alt mode arms, ones that can bend and are properly sculpted to look like the above ones, but ill get into the reason why they need to bend at the elbow in a second. second part being new upper thigh pieces for two reasons, one height second so that in robot mode the skirt pieces will be further apart from each other(take your own liberty with this either new thigh with new skirt/feather piece or redesigned thigh, does not interfere with dino mode btw)
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    Main reason so that the new arms not only will be able to pose better in alt mode but can be sit flush along his back and not stick out far as back kibble.
     
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    STRAFE:
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    Lower blue legs need to be bulked out more(wider,longer for increased height, also maybe include two extra place joints that connect on the ball socket in case they break) this will help him pose better and look better in both modes. I honestly thing strafe can benefit from new wing pieces all together as this will allow him to get that sick cape look down and be better for dino mode BUT there is an alternative to this though that solves the look but still keeps the stock wings. Filler pieces that attach via the hole in the wing to give that pointed cape look in robot mode but to also fill out the gap in dino alt mode. I still HIGHLY believe though that the new wing option though is a better choice.
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    SLOG:
    Done Lol, my only suggestion would be to possibly make the nect pieces's a separate attachment/kit sold separately from the guns but with the adapter pieces for his arms still included.

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    All said and done each member will be a lot better and should gain 1-2" in height in there robot modes and roughly 1" in alt mode except for slash his neck will be able to pose better though.

    FINAL THOUGHTS WHEW!
    okay I know your thinking that the price of these kits are going to be expensive but in actuality with shapeways ne pricing they wont be that bad and if you to one huge kit bundle per member its not that bad. People who buy from shapeways know it is expensive and know that it cost stuff and the people who complain are not properly educated in the fact that your printing 3d images from scratch who you outsource too(shapeways) and you both have to make money after cost of material. Please @cnomis I know its a lot to go through but give it a good read and if your up for these non pin removal upgrades I will be more then happy to help with funding and expect no shared profit gain after this I only care about getting the kit to be best it can be for everyone.

    When I get snarl and play with him for a bit I will let you know what I think would be good for him also if you need your own I can have one sent out to you.
     
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    What about a third armature for bumblebee that clips onto the overhanging part of his roof in robot mode and a third star?
     
  16. f-primusunicron

    f-primusunicron i just wanna be loved

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    cnomis, i had an idea, why not make the robot hands form part of the bulk of the dino chicken ankle...piece, whatever? that way they would have some bulk in dinomode, wichout the hands sticking out and in robot mode be similar to the actual version? still wanting a way to the tail be attached to the back of the figure and transform without the need to be removed
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    Sorry, do you mean the shuriken? but extra shurikens could not attach to alt mode since it is over load now.

    You shocked me f-primusunicron. First of all, i appreciate your enthusiasm. You must love the dinos very much.

    i m just doing it for interest, this is not my profession, & i believe i m not that level. So thx for your kindness.

    i would continuous on Scorn & some of your idea for Grimlock. Else, i think i should focus on Lockdown, Hound, Galvatron etc..
     
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    11 Oct update:

    So here is the situation of the price after Shapeways adjustment. The Warrior Of Vehement α Kit, MMC Hexatron Butchknives, The TFP BD hammer & some other TFP stuff are going down.

    Rest of them are going up unfortunately. However, according to this issue, i decided to separate the items of the kits. So that everybody can get the upgrade part they want with a nice price.

    It will take some times, please keep watching.
     
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    Also cnomis i dont know what plans you have left for dinos or you are done. Can you tell us what plans you have left in terms of # of things you have left or are going to have left to do
     
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    Hey cnomis,

    Are you trying to figure out something for AoE Deluxe Snarl's robot mode hands/wrists?

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