I can't give Chu that much credit. The linkages to the previous bloated, misguided mess of a first movie were unfortunate, but a necessary evil, I guess. But none of that excuses the half-assed, messily reworked script for Retaliation, the bad dialogue, the nonsensical plot, the barely developed characters, the massive logical holes, and so on... that's all Chu (and of course, the scriptwriters, the producers, etc, etc...).

I agree though... still waiting for a GOOD GIJoe movie. Maybe someday.

zmog

 

You don't have to convince us. It seems like many of the people who hang around here want better action movies. That there are enough examples of good big summer action movies to no longer let movies slide on "well it's a summer movie".

The big question is how do you convince the general public not only in the US but also outside of the US to demand more from what they go to see than just really nice special effects? If people will go to the theater to see just about anything Hollywood will poop out then Hollywood isn't going to make the effort for more rounded films. Hollywood just seems to have this attitude that if people aren't going to demand better stories and better characters then just shove any old thing out the door.

Although perhaps we are starting to see some backlash from the general public. Some of the big films that failed to meet studio projections might mean that people are getting pickier. That just slapping on the name The Lone Ranger and staring Johnny Depp is no longer good enough to draw big crowds.

 

Agreed. "Popular entertainment" doesn't have to mean "crap"... but often it does.

That said, it's pissing in the wind to complain about it... it's always been this way. Sure, today we look back at Shakespeare and say he was the entertainer of the people, a pulp-fiction craftsman making plays for the unwashed masses, and we celebrate him for it. What is easy to forget is that we remember Shakespeare because he was GOOD at it. I'm sure that a hefty chunk of the plays and other popular entertainment of the time was absolute garbage, and as such has remained little more than a historical footnote.

zmog

 

I'm all for this and I do kind of see it happening in-universe. I could see Cobra Commander being one of the Cons' human collaborators and combining forces against the Joes and the Autobots. Would have been nice if there was a full-on Sunbow universe crossover. I'm sure they toyed with the idea many times then.

 

I think sometimes it's just nice to know there are other people out there who want more out of entertainment. You see rotten movies doing well at the box office and rotten TV shows that never seem to end and you can think damn there is no hope. But having others who can see that entertainment can be so much more gives some feeling of hope.

 

I'm kind of stuck between worlds, really. I used to manage an independent video store, but I'm also in a film studies grad program. I find myself arguing against extremes of both elitism and populism all the time, depending on where I'm standing at a given time. But yeah... it is nice to know that our fandoms aren't completely enslaved to "entertainment" as the sole criterion for quality.

zmog

 

i dont know if this is true bu the first gi joe film took place 20 years after the 2007 transformers time.

 

good for him I guess...
 

 

    At Chu putting that bitch Bay in his place. "Michael Bay, that mother fucker... Hahaha!"

 

G.I.Joe and TF in the same movie would be a good idea. But it is impossible since there hasn't been any connection between the 2 film so a share universe can't be made

 

Yeah. Imagine that. Open to a boy line of toys that fit theme wise well with another instead of a girl's line of magic horsies. Completely baffling.

 

hey i am a bronie and that idea is stupid for the movieverse


not transformers just the movieverse.

 

Well given how much GIJOE2 stunk I'd hate to have this guy do a crossover. Admittedly the TF movies are hardly masterpieces but JOE2 made them look like an oscar winner.