Robots are robots. They don't have any sort of sexual orientation. They may have traits of a certain orientation, but it's not supposed to mean anything. Not being homophobic, just don't think sexuality has a place in TF fiction. I don't even like people sexualizing the 'female' robots.

 

Sexuality/sexual orientation and sex are not the same thing. No-one asked if Knock Out was having sex with anyone. They asked if he was gay.

Sexuality IS a part of Transformers fiction and it always has been. There have been heterosexual relationships between characters in pretty much every Transformers canon, starting with G1. Just take a look: Transformer romance - Transformers Wiki

 

You're not being sensitive? You saw me seeing it was a stupid question and instantly assume I'm saying that homosexuality is a taboo subject? If nothing else you're just very foolish then.

For the reasons I already stated, it is a stupid question.

How does he come across as metrosexual? To me he seems nothing but vain, he doesn't have that 'metrosexual' air about him (and this coming from someone who is metrosexual). He seems to me that he's a boy-racer, he cares about his vehicular form and he was impressed by Optimus, did you see his whistling as implying sexual attraction? If you did then I'm a bit disturbed. He looks upon cars just like humans do, he wasn't thinking "Cor, that Optimus Prime, I'd hit that" or perhaps you perceived it that way?

It's quite funny how you try to validate a rather stupid question as some kind of repression of homosexuality in modern media and social situations (i.e. the 'taboo subject') whereas in reality this is a kid's show with a character that fits the stereotype of a boy racer.

 

No, I was not being 'sensitive'. When someone states that a question about homosexuality is not just stupid, but HORRIFYINGLY stupid, it's easy to wonder if they think asking about homosexuality is somehow horrifying. So I asked you if that was the case. How is that oversensitive? My question wasn't even inflammatory.

I'm also disinclined to agree that it's a stupid question just because you think it was a stupid question. We can agree to disagree, but there's no reason for you to get all aggressive about it.

And just because you don't see him as metrosexual doesn't mean that others don't (again, him being considered by some as an evil Tracks). The way he speaks, moves, and acts has made multiple people at least dubious about his sexuality.

I didn't see his whistling as implying sexual attraction. I saw it as sounding remarkably like a cat-call, which was something extremely bizarre to see directed at Optimus Prime. I'm assuming he was thinking "Hey, let's distract Optimus Prime from Breakdown's approach by being a brat!"

I'm also not sure how TFP being a kids show (and honestly, given the violent content, it definitely skews more to the pre-teen/teen audience than, say, Animated) and Knock Out being a stereotypical boy racer precludes people from wondering if he was intended as gay character.

 

Yes, your first paragraph shows how sensitive you are. Just the assumption that by saying a question about a character's sexuality as stupid as there's no reason to question it that I'm against their sexuality? That's oversensitive. Plus you implying that I'm homophobic or see homosexuality is taboo is valid enough reason for me to be "aggressive". Especially as you know nothing about me or my sexuality, for all you know I could be gay myself.

Also, I love how you've already forgotten my first post, you say that I may of been implying that homosexuality was horrible, if that is so then why would I say that Breakdown being 'the gay one' was good and not horrible or disgusting? This is the problem when you only quote part of someone's post.

I gave my arguments against his metrosexuality, you just say "Yeah! Well some think it!!!". I see no reason to question his sexuality at all as it isn't an issue and he's done nothing to connote any sexuality whatsoever.

He was impressed with Optimus' vehicle form. How the Hell is that a cat-call?

Boy-racer = gay in your mind then? Bit wrong to determine one's sexuality from characteristics, isn't it?  

 

It’s "hilarious" how quickly the thread has already derailed into a "debate" on robo-sexuality.

To me, Knockout is just a gentleman of fashion. He cares about looking good. Whatever he does in his private life is no business of mine.

More on topic:

TF: Prime is the new "master continuity." (At least till 2013.) Nice. That's going to cause some friction among the G1 fans, I just know it.

 

Actually the debate was caused by someone claiming by saying it was a stupid question to ask the panel i was being homophobic. Perhaps even more ridiculous than you imagined  

Though, you're right about the friction, I'm surprised the thread is so barren actually.

 

I didn't imply that you were homophobic. I was dubious about your claiming that asking a question about homosexuality was 'horrifically stupid'. And to be honest, everything you've said basically supports the idea that you think homosexuality is something that shouldn't be brought up in certain contexts.

And for all you know, I could be gay myself. I never implied you were or weren't so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up?

I didn't forget a thing you said. I was addressing the part that made me side-eye your post, ie. the idea that asking about the possible homosexuality of a character is horrifyingly stupid. Maybe you need to re-read what I said, because I never implied that you think homosexuality itself is horrible. I was questioning the possibility that you think asking about homosexuality is horrible.

Er, no you didn't. You said "I don't think he is." and I said "Other people disagree." You're still making arguments that amount to "This is my opinion" to which my argument it "Not everyone shares your opinion". You don't see any reason to question his sexuality. Other people obviously do.

Because wolf-whistling and saying "Sweet [body-part]" in the tone Daran Norris used is pretty much a text-book come-on? I highly doubt it was intended as such, but it was weird.

Uh, no? But I don't think being a boy-racer means he can't be gay, which is what you seemed to implying.

 

Because I see no reason to assume he's gay and no reason to even care means I don't think it 'shouldn't be brought up'? Yeah, you're insanely sensitive if you take offense at such things. It'd be funny if you actually knew me but no, you assume these things because I don't think a robot in a cartoon is gay and regard the question as stupid.

I brought it up because you're assuming that I have something against homosexuals and for all you know I might be gay.

You must've forgotten though because surely by saying that Knockout being gay is a good thing it instantly contradicts your idiotic notion that I have anything against homosexuality. Otherwise surely I'd be against the idea of him being gay.

Other people do? So why are you bitching at someone who doesn't see an issue with a character being gay instead of those who see it as a massive issue?

I didn't see it as a come-on, I see it as exactly the same way I saw Jack and Arcee, he was admiring her vehicle form and nothing else. I never even thought of the notion until the person asked it in the Q&A.

No, I was saying his attitude towards himself and other cars connotes that he is a boy-racer and not that's he's gay. I never thought he was straight and I never thought he was gay. Clearly some people, you included, see sexuality as an issue on which to distinguish people by, I however don't.

You're oversensitive, that's my main issue here. You're assuming something about someone you've never met on a ridiculously baseless claim and continually forget that my first post discounts you're entire premise. Perhaps you just enjoy taking people's posts out of context though.

 

I guess most of the fans who'd have a problem with it probably don't pay attention to TFP news. Thus they maybe haven't found out yet.

 

Am I the only one who thought the Knockout question at the end was kinda humorous?  

 

The more TFP, the better, and by the sounds of it TFP will be the main focus for at least a couple of years.

As for the Knock Out question, I'm not sure I would call him "gay", but he's certainly more flamboyant. Makes for a nice comparison to the other Decepticons, and makes Knock Out a very interesting character. He's probably my second or third favorite TFP Con (my absolute favorite being Starscream).

While it's good to know that things will be speeding up a bit with Season 2, I do hope they don't try and do too much all at once.

 

Says the one who feels the need to throw around the words 'idiotic' and 'stupid' everywhere.

You're assuming I'm making assumptions that I'm not making, and that my premise was anything other than thinking it was dubious to say that asking about a character's sexuality was 'horrifically stupid'. Since this entire thing has devolved into assuming assumptions and "things that I don't agree with are dumb", I'm just going to disagree that it was stupid to ask and leave you to think what you will.

 

You're sensitive because you took someone's post out of context and then got offended by it. My language is because of the way you're trying to portray me because of that out of context offense you've taken.

No, your premise was wrong purely because the part that you felt was dubious was only dubious because you took it out of context and used it against me for no apparent reason. I already stated that I liked the idea of the character being gay but still regarded the question as stupid, I have no idea how you get the idea that by liking the idea of a gay character one is even slightly dubious. If I didn't add the first bit I wouldn't blame you as much as I do but it's because of my initial statement that I feel you're being sensitive.

I know you wont agree and I'm glad you've finally stopped this.

 

...But I wasn't offended...?  

I thought it was pretty amusing myself! And was happy with the answer, re: Transformers don't really have sexual orientations the way we do (or at least don't care enough about it to come up with specific designations for different orientations).

 

Man, some of you TFW folks are touchy. On /co/, our major topic of conversation are Starscream's hooker legs.

Spoiler

And yes, I think Knockout is gay. And Breakdown is his bear.

 

and yet you seemed it. Oh well.

 

  that's official canon now no matter what anyone says

 

Curse of the internet, I suppose. Tone is easy to get lost in the shuffle.

Shall we let bygones be bygones and just agree that Knock Out is an awesome character?

 

Yeah, reading over my response that one was a good example, darn internet.

I honestly have no problem with that, I can agree with Knockout being an awesome character! Then again I feel rather attached to the whole cast, brilliant writing has that effect I guess.