One could argue that within the context of solely the bumblebee movie that yes? They’re minor supporting characters. But, the implication is that this is how they’ll look moving forward, so if we ever get another full blown transformers movie this is how they’ll look.

 

Characters who have been loved by weird nerds on the internet, you mean.

Literally nobody that is a normal person is remotely aware that the red blur they saw in that trailer is Ironhide, and will merely pretend to know they knew him when Buzzfeed articles come up about the cameos.

Let's not remotely pretend that people like Ironhide and Wheeljack are on the same level of recognizable as Optimus and Starscream. Hell, Wheeljack's biggest mainstream appearance so far was a side-character in a Hub cartoon that nobody watched. Not even kids that have exposure to cartoon right now might know him.

 

You're posting on a Transformers forum. If we're weird nerds, then so are you, matey boy.  

So everyone who recognised him in the featurette is not a normal person, then? Nice, I can feel the weight of normal adult responsibility lifting off me already!

Also, again, you're posting on a Transformers forum. If we're not viewed as normal people, then I hate to have to tell you, but neither are you, 'cos you're here posting with us.

In fact, just by replying to you, I've infected you with my abnormality. It's like the clap, but apparently less socially acceptable. Sorry about that!  

I mean... Wheeljack is in the new toon, so...

He's also had an evergreen design, so clearly Hasbro thinks his design is recognisable, otherwise they wouldn't have bothered.

Now sure, they may not be icons to these magical normal people, but... well... who gives a monkey's twadger what they think? Again, you're posting on a Transformers forum (yes, I'm having fun with formatting; we've already established I'm not normal  ). I think you can take it as read that someone will consider those characters iconic, while generally not caring how wrong you think they are.  

 

Literally never remotely implied I wasn't part of the fandom. Or that being a weirdo was a bad thing. The difference is that I recognize that we are a minority, and that is all that matters in this subject, regardless of any personal feelings. And boy, let's talk about feelings with that weird meltdown. Your reply seems more interested in feeling affected that you got called a nerd than the actual subject.

At the end of the day, the wide audience does not know who Wheeljack is, certainly not children since Cyberverse averages 300 000 viewers on a good day and that's a pathetic amount of little eyes. The only ones knowing who is who in this cameo is the director, who is a nerd himself with anime posters in his room, and us. So yes, yes these are most definitely background characters, harmless references by a fanboy to fanboys and that will stay a fact no matter what 80s imagery it's aping for the sake of Buzzfeed points in a TOP 10 GEEKY REFERENCES WE HAD TO USE WIKIPEDIA TO UNDERSTAND IN THE BUMBLEBEE MOVIE article.

Hell, they're LITERALLY in the background of that scene, it's a non argument because they're factualy not the focus on that shot.

Also lol at "Clearly Hasbro thinks he's recognizable" as if Hasbro's personal team weren't entirely composed of self-serving nerds themselves.

 

Wait, what? You thought that was a meltdown?

That was me taking the piss. I'm British, it's what we do. You can tell when we have a meltdown, 'cos we put red coats on and bring other people's countries under the relentless yoke of imperial oppression. Flags are usually involved.  

And what the wider audience thinks matters, in this conversation between two fans on a dedicated TF forum, because...?

I tell ye what, I'll stop taking the mickey if you want me to make an actual argument. You say that the wider audience won't know those characters from Adam, but there's two problems with that: 1/ you don't know that for sure unless you've gone round and asked literally everyone on the planet, so they might, but it's irrelevant either way, because 2/ their opinion is completely meaningless when we're talking about existing fans of the franchise.

They might not recognise them, but we damn sure do. It doesn't matter if they're not icons to the general public, because they can be to us. Every single one of us will have a favourite character, whether it's Prime, Megs, Ironhide, Arcee, Nightbeat (in my case) or, I dunno, sod it, let's say Vroom. Some characters, though, are almost universally liked within the fandom (Ironhide, for example), so to call them "background characters" is utterly baffling.

Now... could the person I was replying to have meant that they were physically in the background of the shot? Yes. Obviously. But they also said that having designs that evoke G1 is "stifling creativity", so, y'know...

Or are you just getting hung up on me calling them "icons"? Fine, call them "legends of the franchise", then. It's no skin off my nose.

Bugger it, this is entirely too serious, need to take the mickey again... technically, Wheeljack was physically closer to the camera than Prime for the most of the time he was onscreen, so he was actually in the foreground.  

Yes. Because clearly that's the principle businesses run on, and not "what will make us money?"  

 

In the context of this movie, that's what they are yes. Also Wheeljack being a main cast thing is coming from TFP, same with Cliffjumper.

 

While wheeljack is a main cast in TFP, it only happened in the third season. He barely showed up in the first and second season.

And for cliffjumper, he only showed up in the first and second/third episode being a zombie and flashback in later episode. Does cliff still count as main cast?

 

Cool, so its not a reboot, just dif timeline that can also conveniently sell in the Studio Series line with the Bayformers.

Transformers are about change and will always reinvent itself in ways that has nothing to do with G1, to even compete with other brands sometimes.....like Botbots , Powercore combiners, and the Animorphs oh god.
Why should our cult classics be erased for those new ideas? Would be like DC scrapping Batman for a reinvented Batman that has nothing to do with Batman. Would'nt make sense to Hasbro ,the loyal fans or even by a buisness standpoint.

Thankfully Hasbro can do both at the same time so everyone can be happy.
So many choices these days, but it's the G1 related stuff that makes Hasbro the most money which in return allows them to make more Tfs.
Even the Bay movies would've done better if the bots were more recognizeable and Devestator wasnt reinvented with balls.

 

DC actually did try doing that by shoving Gordon into some kind of Batman mech suit.

 

That's a good point, but when else has Cliffjumper ever gotten any attention after G1? We had a red colored bumblebee in the live action movies before, and it wasn't even cliffjumper.
And TFP Cliffjumper was in all the promo material.

 

While he had a diverse set of suits the live action movies have chosen the iconic original style. The same goes for most successful superhero franchises.

Transformers unfortunately has an army of Bay apologists who have little connection to what came before and are totally okay with unrecognizable designs and personalities.

 

Wait what? When was this?

 

I assume he’s talking about Stinger from AoE.

 

So now I want a clear shot of the guy who was shot. Since we know who it is now

 

From the still shots they look great.

 

If Bumblebee is 12 feet tall and comes up to the height of Prime's hips. How many feet would Optimus Prime be?
Also why does this sound like a math question?

 

Oh boy, I love maff! (I'm a nerd)

Ok, so judging by illegal and promotional videos, Camaro Bee comes up to the top of Prime's "waist block". In addition, Prime's upper torso, we can estimate, is 1/3 of his total height since his legs+waist block seems to be twice as long as his torso which this picture from marketing material seems to show. Just keep in mind that he is in an A stance and that his back is crunched back, so they may be even longer but this is a rough estimate. Also, Bee in his cybertronian form+volswagen form seems to be shorter than camero Bee as seen in the second picture below. Since Bee is closer to the camera than Prime, we can estimate that cybertronian Bee comes up to the middle of Prime's thigh. Half of his thigh looks to be about 1/6 of the length of his waist block and leg combined. His waist block is also 1/6 of the length of his waist block+leg. So Bee is 4/6 the height of Prime's waist block+leg. 12 x (2/6) is 4 feet. We can estimate that Camero Bee is 16 feet since Cybertronian Bee is 12 feet which I believe is the height of Bee in Bayformers. So, then we divide 16 by 2 because his torso, as stated before, is 1/2 the height of his waist block+leg. His torso is 8 feet. So we add 16 and 8 and we get 24 feet. However, I feel like my measurements for the proportions of his body are a little off so we can give him 2-4 extra feet. So his total height is 26-28 feet which is his height in Bayformers.

 

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