I think the switch from MTMTE to LL wasn’t great. Jack’s art is awesome, you only have to see character reactions in the last few issues to see his range. I literally struggle to give a toss about Lug and Anode, and they’ve barely featured past the initial intro. I think JR has a sense for characters working out. One thing I will say; don’t miss these last few issues if you were invested from the start, they’re too damn good.
Argument/conversation, I realise now that I've been beaten over the head with it (gee that sounds kinda antagonistic too) one of those could be taken nastier than the other but I was using them interchangeably. If you write an argument in school you probably don't have anything personal against the half of the class writing about how Y is better than X. We were arguing/discussing points of view about opinions and I got confused as to how it started because as far as the stuff that matters go we agree and we weren't talking about the specific differing of opinions that matter less but would make a more interesting conversation as long as we don't take it too seriously, which we don't. So sorry for the offense, I have a habit of doing that, sometimes accidentally. I want to say usually rather than sometimes, but I feel like someone could write an argument just using this thread that I do at least sometimes mean it. If you want to tell someone who doesn't think it is craptastic why you don't like Swearth or pretty much do anything but debate the stuff we seem to agree on, I'll keep babbling on with you.
Yeah but also speaks to having very little respect for his peers or his field to straight up ignore the ethics regulations.
who else is in his field worth respecting? froid? the guy carting sunder around? fuck that guy it's working around the ethics yes but he's doing it for the sole purpose to help autobots with severe trauma. he's not doing it to get famous or to make money. he's doing it to help....to heal....even if it's not strictly ethical doctors will skirt the rules to help their patients. rung is no different. how many heroes in other comics do we root for despite their breaking the law? they're doing it to save lives and to help over their own well being. his motive is just....so what's a little white lie coming from god?
I'll grant you Froid, but just because he's the only other one we've really seen, it doesn't mean he's the only other one there is. Plus he didn't start hanging out with Sunder until after the war and we have to assume that RUng lost his licence either during or before the war. He seemed as ethical as he could be under the functionists. And yeah Rung's a hero breaking rules, they all are (except Magnus I guess) but he didn't know he was Primus then, he didn't really know until her got Sundered. But doing things illegally and arguably unethically is a character flaw in and of itself.
froid was always a piece of crap though. his business with sunder is just the most evil he's done but nothing really points to him ever being a good person i don't view it as a flaw for his reasoning for why he's doing it in the first place. it would be a flaw if he did it for the fame or monetary reasons. he doesn't. he's doing it for the sole purpose of helping others in dire need. something he couldn't do if he wasn't licensed in the first place since he might not have had access to them and a bot as paranoid as red alert wouldn't see him if he wasn't credited. if there was a selfish reason behind why he did it i'd call his lie a flaw....but since it's as virtuous as it gets i just can't. it's like...batman is a criminal because he's a vigilante...but it's semantics at that point because of the good he does and the lives he saves along the way. rung lied..but he did to help people with severe trauma.
Maybe the art has gotten better, but early on in the run, I would have rated it at the bottom of all the IDW TF stuff I was seeing in other titles. It was a real let-down from Milne's work, though I also dislike Fuente as a colourist... those eyeball-scarring yellow/magenta Kirby-dots she squeezes into the crevices of EVERY Transformer are incredibly distracting and graphically really ugly. Honestly, I considered dropping the book JUST because of those. It's such an artistically stupid touch. I'll probably go through Lost Light at some point just for the sake of completion. But I'm not really looking forward to it, because the last year of MTMTE was so full of disappointments. Which, to be fair, is still more credit than I give all of the other titles. I dropped Barber's stuff way earlier, and I'm not even -curious- to see where those titles went. zmog
Yeah, but The Punisher kills people for the same reason. To help save innocent people. Now whast Rung did is nowhere near the same level, but it's still pretty shady, even he had good intentions, which pave the road to hell.
that's still murder..that's not the same and you admit that. plus he's not doing it to save people he's doing it to punish the guilty. there's a difference in the motive there. i'm sorry i don't see rung's lie as a flaw. it's a victimless crime.
but it is... he still follows the same rules when treating them.....he's not doing anything different then he would while he was licensed...all he did was not disclose a piece of information to keep practicing...because all those involved were dead. it was a lie by omission but again...he did it to keep helping. there's really no flaw here.
It wasn't the lie or the cover-up that got him disbarred though. He was disbarred for "getting too close to a patient" which probably means he was romantically involved with that patient thus giving that patient unequal treatment and then he also lied about that after all his other crewmates were dead. He didn't even respect that patient (or any of the others) enough to admit what really what happened.
To be honest, there were a few issues regarding Robert's social views I found bothersome. However digital comics at least allow for some private editing/saving options. And in the end it does little good to argue which is "better". Perhaps an opinion poll would do nicely. But one is still offering their own opinions in the end. From Transformers G1, the following various series & spin-offs, the comics, the movies...all of it...there have been good and bad coming from Transformers fans throughout the years. While it's certainly nothing new it is disturbing as well as said. But then if one were to visit any social media platform where you have any given group of people "discussing" a given topic it seems to boil down to the same problem: a lack of simple civility. While not -always- keeping this in mind myself when addressing topics of any kind it's always best to stay focused on the topics themselves. It's useless to attack the other party. It's ridiculously bad form. A satirical article from a satirical website to prove the point: babylonbee.com Man Recants Belief In Innate Goodness Of Humanity After 4 Seconds Browsing YouTube Comments
Actually, from Froid "quoting (Rung), quoting the ruling" listed in issue 48 was "Patients aren't friends". Which doesn't even imply romance of any sort. Just a basic friendship. Which would explain why Rung took in and helped others with their issues but shied away with opening up himself. (Though he eventually did with Nightbeat during the first LL arc.) Not to mention Rung's startled reaction when Whirl openly claimed Rung as a friend of his while he and Rung were both being held hostage by a rather disturbed ex-prison warden/POW way back in issue 6
Really? I must have misremembered. But either way, he still does an arrogantly bad job of honouring their memory and only resigns as the LL's psychiatrist after his crimes were revealed by someone else. leading the others, understandably so, to feel betrayed and like he violated their trust.
My 2cents to all these arguments. OC Characters: Primus, Impactor, Orion Pax were all OC characters back in the day. You could even argue that most of the movie cast (bar Magnus) were OC characters, as they had been specifically written for the story, then the toys were designed. The WORST thing a piece of art can be is for people to have no opinion over it. Art should always cause discussion otherwise what is the point. Art should be loved and hated at the same time.
It can be loved and hated, but the object of those feelings should be the art, not the other observers. There is no accounting for taste, but there must be some level of civility.
The book is... not moving along like it did in the earlier days. It's still a DAMN fantastic book. And Petrichor is still, FAR AND AWAY, the best representative of a transwoman in a comic pretty much ever. Unlike a certain someone that has pretty much amounted to fuck all in the grand scheme of the comic she was introduced. The only thing I'll say about this book as far as social commentary: Transformers is probably not the best place to showcase social issues. It just doesn't work. There are a number of books out right now that do a MUCH better job of advancing progressive ideals. Saga being one of them.
This. You can't have earth issues mix in with giant space robots who have ability to change into different things and expect it to go smoothly.
