I've got no more problems with Rung being Primus than with Shockwave being Onyx Prime. Within the IDW continuity none of those characters is a true deity or even a demigod. If IDW Ratchet knew about Shockwave or the IDW Unicron origin... He'd have a field day with all of this.
It shows that he has been both right and wrong. They myth is true, but it's mundane. It's just plain ol' life.
It's Drift and Cyclonus who's got the short end of the stick here. All they were believing in turns to be a bunch of mortals shrouded in legends...
Pharma is Adaptus in the sense that he is the incarnation of the otherwise incomprehensible Thing that Skids encountered on the other side of Tyrest's portal. I take the others to be the same. So note that this incarnation was supposed to be Skids (and that Skids ended up committing suicide over the guilt he felt for the Transformers Holocaust, which makes more sense if you take him to be a God who felt responsibility for the debasement of his creation). I think the other aspects of Primus have also incarnated in the "wrong" vessels. For maximum irony, I think the "right" ones were supposed to be Tailgate (for Epistemus), Rodimus (for Solomus), and Ratchet (for Mortilus).
Another thing that was answered by 22 is that there is no distinction between cold construction and being forged. It's exactly the same process. Think about it this way. My theory: Rung is only Primus in part. What if Primus wanted to... I don't know walk around with his creation, see how it was going, but couldn't so he sent his only son.. Err, I mean, he sent himself out into a spark field at the pious pools (I think that's the name). That could be an explanation or why Rung doesn't remember.
Maybe Rung doesn't remember because he hasn't actually been Primus-the-Creator yet; he really is just some really old dude born from the Pious Pools (or whatever), but soon he will somehow travel back in time and become Vector Sigma. And then Vector Sigma will create him.
This is the issue I have with the reveals (which I actually think are pretty cool), and goes back to @Acteon 's complaint re: things not having an impact. The Knights of Cybertron were the whole reason this book existed (in-story). They were of sufficient import to cause schisms between the Transformers who believed they existed and those who believed they were a myth. Drift, in particular, has shown basically no reaction to this at all - now, part of that is the compressed nature of things; but literally no one has displayed any emotional reaction to the reveal that the Knights didn't really exist in the way the legends said, and that Cyberutopia was a sham. Drift just hangs out like it's no big deal. Likewise, now we're getting reveals that the gods of the Transformers are just regular dudes. Am I supposed to believe that the Lost Light team just luckily happened to split off every remotely religious Transformer into Megatron's ship, leaving the athiests behind to face the "god revelation"? Or am I supposed to read this as the author saying, "Man! I don't think I'm going to be able to properly explore the impact of the entirety of someone's faith being revealed to be a sham" (and if you don't think this would be pretty major, remember that many of the Apostles of Christ went to their deaths because they insisted Jesus was divinity, just to name one example). The Circle of Light is conveniently all dead. This is the same thing that happened when they discovered the lost moon - up to that point the story had presented that moon as being lost due to Mortilus. You'd think that proof of its existence would at least cause *some* of the Transformers to question their beliefs, but we don't explore that at all. Not only did no one do so but then 50 issues later it's sort of handwaved away as being one of many versions of the story. And when this series ends? *No one* has to confront the impact of this revelation, because the continuity is over. Imagine a world where the Transformers, after millions of years of info creep are all forced to confront the fact their gods do not exist. What happens to someone like Cyclonus? Like Drift? Optimus? Ratchet? The colonists? But we're not gonna find that out, because the big reset button gets hit right after it's done. <sidebar> Don't get me wrong, I like the revelation. I was originally kind of annoyed because it's more of "the fantastic and inexplicable is actually explicable and mundane" that has littered this book since its start. However, it's thematically consistent with the entire series thus far...in a sense an inversion of "More Than Meets The Eye". In being "more", some things are "less". I don't love that the religious are continually painted like naive dupes, but a) this is generally par for the course in comic books, particularly in writers of a certain age demographic b) this is *definitely* consistent with the author's worldview, so really I don't know that I should be expecting anything less (as @hardlurk mentioned in another thread, every comic book series is in some way someone's armchair philosophy) So I quite like it from the pure "mechanic" viewpoint of it. </sidebar> I wish there was more time to *explore* what all of this would actually *mean* to the Transformers. Without that, all of this - while fairly well constructed - feels a bit hollow. But still amazing? lol. I wish I had a better way of explaining.
Issue 25 could be where the reactions to these revelations come about. Solicitations seem to paint it as a slower goodbye issue. There’s definitely room, given it’s extra length. Having an ending for this continuity is good, I just hope it’s not a quick ending. Those I hate. This ending has to be slow enough for us and the characters to digest it. If not, going to be a good level of disappointment.
I get what you mean. Six years of worldbuilding only to have it result in a completely useless foundation come October (theoretically). Frustrating.
Did I read the comic wrong, or is Whirl in two places at once? Spoiler He's with the small group talking to Pharma/Adaptus, caught by the vacuum shields, *and* gets taken on board Megatron's Last Light.
You didn't misread. More than likely was an art error when he appeared on the Last Light's shuttle bay.
One thing I like about the “Anode as Adaptus” theory is that who better to become the god of changing shape than the person who self-initiated their transformation? Not to mention the circular reference aspect of Mortilus rescuing the Transformer that would become Adaptus. Although I guess since Anode was working *for* the GA for while, that would mean the GA would have already known about employing his/her “past self”. Head...hurting...
Oh, I agree completely. Although it's more regarding the phrase referenced as a possible P.O.V.: "social commentary of religion as a whole". The Inquisitions within their varied forms, and other misuses and abuses of religious teaching, are certainly included. It would be a bit unfair to state it's an opine on religion in its entirety. After all, the seeds of the Reformation first began in 1517 A.D. which openly addressed and resisted against the abuses, had been long since planted centuries prior. Within the MtMtE/LL comic there wasn't really much said of regarding if there were other varied beliefs, if any, that were secretly held by the citizens themselves within the Functionist universe regarding The Guiding Hand. There was more focus on subjugation/resistance concerning Functionism itself. It would have been somewhat interesting to explore.
It's sort of been. The beginning of Shadowplay with Quark and Nightbeat talking in the streets, and even Megatron's writings were touched upon. Shadowplay also had its moments where "body rentals" for tasting the high life of higher rated alt-mode society. The Functionist Universe was the typical "evil universe" story but at the same time represented the time AFTER Functionism reached its pinnacle. All other useful types had served a purpose, time to move on to the next... In Megatron Origins, despite being a Dreamwave based story worked in a way of establishing the levels of Functionism through Automation. The mines were being passed on to an automated force, no more need for miners, where would they have ended up had someone not fired that fatal shot? We saw what happens when you outlived your function with the Astro bot, and then the mass "decomissioning" of the Data Slugs.
I think you have something. Okay another crazy theory I had: What if the spark field on luna 'sparked' because of Rung AND Rodimus. It took the both of them for that field to light up. Rung can create those little crystals. What can Roddy do? Flame up. A spark feeds a flame, and what if a flame (or energy) ignites the crystals making a spark... Rodimus' ability to flame up could be the other necessary component to make a spark. Also, remember how Rodimus is obsessed with that trinity thing. Maybe there is a trinity to making spark fields. Maybe to create cybertronian life three things are needed. Rung (the crystals), Rodimus (the flame) and the cybertronian metal scentio. Didn't the spark fields stop around the time Rodimus was born? I think that lines up. Rung is the life giver; Rodimus is the light giver. They're both Primus.
I feel like Anode cannot possibly be Adaptus is the fact that Adaptus identifies as a "he", and I don't expect Roberts to have Anode come out as the first real Transgender character in Transformers fiction only to have the character revert back at some point in this arc.
