I mean, if it means I can save up for such a splurge, I'll do it.

 

Yeah, they'll be RIGHT behind the KOs of MP Primal and Cheetor.  

 

One KO is not dependent on another. The demand for KO's of Megatron and Dinobot will be much higher than demand for the less expensive figures. No self-respecting KO manufacturer will let this opportunity go unnoticed.

 

U are gonna be waiting forever then. There won't be any KO of either Dinobot or Megatron. Bet any amount of money on this .

 

This is an incredibly inapropriate use of the term "rape". Please consider rephrasing.

 

Shockwave and Inferno and pretty big, the bigger the MP, the bigger the price.

I agree on Sunstreaker but then the engineering in him is top notch, a lot more complex than the regular car bots like Wheeljack and Ss

 

Please. Everyone loves the highly detailed sculpt of Megatron with the scales and paint detail, interchangeable parts, poseable stand and other accessories, they just don't like it now when they see what having that costs.

Aimless Misfire thinks he's getting "fucked", but check out the world of actual premium collectibles sometime, because frankly Transformers fans don't yet know the meaning of the word.

 

1.) The Megatron sculpt (in bot mode) is no more complicated the original figure (in terms of details)
2.) The 2 additional interchangeable faces that even the cheaper figures such as MP21 had?
3.) There is no stand that comes with this figure
4.) The only other accessories are a small beam effect and small rifle, much less than a figure like Primal or even Ironhide

 

Seriously.

 

This made me laugh. Out loud.

 

Only the most dedicated collectors/ beast wars fans will buy him. Their only hope is that he’ll be worth the wait and price

 

PrimalPrime007July 13th 2018, 3:27 pmU are gonna be waiting forever then. There won\'t be any KO of either Dinobot or Megatron. Bet any amount of money on this .

Why not?  

 

You mean like SOC figures? Takara MPs aren't up to that level of quality. If Takara is looking to enter the real "premium collectible" market, they're gonna have to step up their materials and QC. 3rd party outfits like Perfect Effect and FansToys have more legit claims to making products that actually qualify as "premium collectibles" than many of Takara's.

Don't act like 'collector oriented' TFs haven't been around for 15 years already. Takara has noticeably spiked the price of their products, starting with the MP-11 Seeker redecos, for no good reason. MP-11 was about 10,000 yen... the other Seekers were like 18,000 yen... the Coneheads were like 20,000. Laserwave gets the deco he should have had in the first place and that justifies being almost twice the price now? Face it... you choosing to drink the Kool-aid doesn't mean we're just being stupid, so please don't act like that.

RE: KOs, I don't think there's much of a market for Primal and Cheetor because unlike the movie MPs, they have flawless decos and pretty much flawless show accuracy at a reasonable price. But Megatron and Dinobots are different... I think they will be KOd because 1) they're DINOSAURS and 2) they're so high priced that a KO company could undercut them by 50% or more and still make a tidy profit.

Think of MP Megatron. Other MPs had been KOd before, but MP Megs was knocked off by no fewer than four different companies, three of whom made a superior product (in either deco, build, or both), all of which were less than half the price of the 'official' and in many cases closer to 1/3. The only time that happened before was with the Seekers; even then, it was a similar situation where the Skywarp and Thundercracker retailed for almost twice the price of Starscream in Japan and like 250% the price of Starscream in the US... if they weren't so grossly overpriced, the Yes Model and KBB KOs probably wouldn't have been worth making.

(I don't count the iGear Seekers as "real" KOs because at the time MP-11 hadn't come out yet... unlike straight up KOs, a mold that incorporates heavily-demanded and highly-visible improvements is worth making, even if you can't significantly undercut the "official" price)

 

The bot mode sculpt is no more complicated than the original figure? Yeah, I think you need some glasses, son.

Also in addition to the faces his entire backpack can be removed and cleanly separated from the figure, that takes a bit of engineering magic there. And I thought he had a stand, but oh well, he will have the voice box and light up parts. The figure also happens to be larger than even Dinobot, so yeah, there's a reason he costs some cash.

Takara is stepping up their game, I'm sure Dinobot will prove that in a few weeks and this Megatron will do so even more come January.

The stuff from 15 years ago also doesn't compare to today in engineering, so lets not pretend Takara has been making MPs let alone anything at same level as today for over a decade.

You're also say "no good reason", but all the price hikes you go on about are comparing larger retail releases with much much smaller runs from TTMall. There are reasons for everything, whether you accept them or not is up to you, but it doesn't change anything.

It's not drinking the Kool-aid to be realistic, as the years go by and the MP line improves the prices are only going to go up, and whining about being "fucked" on the internet by a toy company is only ever going to come off as just stupid (or at the very least just naive and childish).

 

A smaller TTmall run where all the cost of development and tooling has been eliminated. (You know... the same reasons why KO companies can put out toys for half the cost of the official). So when it comes to the Seekers and Shockwave, NO, there IS no good reason, and you are just drinking the Kool Aid.

Notice I'm not complaining about MP Sunstreaker. That really is a categorically more complex (if not necessarily "better") figure than previous MP cars. I understand where my extra money went. While it's amazingly expensive, I kind of understand the cost of Dinobot too because the engineering on that thing looks insane. So I'm not some kind of idiot. I get that Takara has bumped up the parts count, articulation and complexity. But even with that, they're also gouging (relative to their own established practices). Which is what it is. I'm not gonna act like they're "fucking" us because, hey, this isn't, like, insulin or something. We don't need Transformers. But don't act like it doesn't make sense to compare Takara's newer pricing scale with their old one and decide "this isn't a good value for my money."

I'm not even particularly chuffed about MP Megs' price of roughly $200 considering how complex it is and how many accessories it comes with. But there is NO WAY BW Megs is that complex, it looks to be about the same size, and has fewer accessories... yet costs $100 more. Where is my money going?

Also, please stop acting like making shoulder pauldrons and a backpack removable requires some crazy feat of engineering. You just pull them off and put them back on. Hell, shoulder pauldrons and backpacks are removable in real life! LOL If you're that impressed by being simply being able to take parts off a toy and put them back on, there's this thing called "pretty much every toyline ever" that will blow your freaking mind.

One of the issues is diminishing returns. Kind of like how a Toyota Camry X-SE basically is a Lexus, but significantly cheaper. If you get the Lexus you're getting a slightly better car for a significant increase in cost. For a long time MPs were in that "sweet spot" where we as consumers were generally completely happy with what we were getting for the price. Now, sure, the toys are better, but are they "that much more money" better? Sunstreaker was, in my opinion. G1 Megatron probably was too. Is this one, though?

These companies are about profit, not morals. They will charge as much as they can for no reason other than they can. I'm not gonna buy a retool of a mold that originally came out damn near 15 years ago for 3x the price of what I bought it for at a store 5 years ago, and even if I do, I'm not gonna pretend to myself that there's any reason I'm doing so other than I want to and I can afford it.

I'm not mad at Takara. But I used to preorder every official MP figure... now I make a decision about whether it's worth it or not. Which I guess is the same as I always did, just the toys aren't as good a value now.

 

That's a flat out lie. He has sculpted lines and detail all over him.

Like, did you not even see the pictures?

 

Also, you completely ignored the EMPIRICAL FACT that Takara high-end collectibles are now priced at Soul of Chogokin levels but objectively are NOT as high quality in terms of build, materials, and finish. Unless BW Megs is gonna be MADE differently than previous MPs, in which case I will happily eat my words. But for those of us collectors who have or have had SOCs in the past and actually do know the meaning of the words "premium collectibles", we're going to view TFs probably more critically. After all, SOCs are released in ridiculously low runs and typically reference "dead" IPs. Why should TFs, a still-viable IP with multiple current media revenue streams to subsidize the toys themselves, release figures at higher runs made out of cheaper materials with worse QC?

(Thanks for being a presumptuous dick about that, by the way. "don't know the meaning of the words" LMAO... maybe you just don't know the meaning of a dollar.)

 

Yes. I am not including scales. I am talking about overall architecture of the figure (frame, most molded details). He looks better because he has finer details, but you can’t say he doesn’t look 80% similar in bot mode and in transformation scheme

 

Well, you were the one insulting your fellow fans first. Not sure you get to take the high road, there.

Neither one of you is really coming across as very sympathetic.

Would you say the same about, say, SOC Voltron? That's pretty much just a more articulated version of the original. Exact same transformation, too. People praise that figure yet it's about as simple as simple comes.

I mean, of course he's going to resemble the original figure. That's what the CGI model was based off of.

 

I don’t buy (or even follow) SOC or voltron figures, so I cannot make the comparison with those