that’s not really a good question to ask

Time travel has been depicted many different ways in many different sections in some cases the minute the time traveler go to the pass all future history is altered, in other cases history is not changed until certain of vents reach a particular point

There’s just no consistency in how changing history affects the future and the present or whatever you want to call it

I got a question for you I seem to be a bit confused by something you said or you want to believe that the cyber Charlie and his left on cyber Tron were fully aware of what was happening in the beast wars on earth before primal returned to His proper time?

You’re not wrong but you’re not exactly right either, but that’s not something that is your fault it’s because Hasbro made a mess of things when they retconed The fallen into a multi-universal singularity

By doing so they can affect pretty much what kind of the idea that every Megatron got his name in the same way, on the other hand the whole multi universal crap seems to have also been retconed So we really don’t know where this particular issue a stands. Mainly because just like with so many other retcons, Somethings remain the same while others are changed so until somebody comes in and makes an official statement it’s all up in the air

I’m sure you know that even that can be considered debatable

Remember beast wars maybe part of A g1 continuity but not necessarily the G1 cartoon continuity

In fact the show was designed to fit both the comic book and the cartoon to some degree but really doesn’t fit in either completely

That’s your opinion but you can’t claim it’s a fact

it depends on two things, whether or not you’re a believer , and whether or not the Bible is At all historically accurate

Remember the Bible predicted the coming of the Savior and how he would present himself to the world

The Bible also records as a point the fact that Jesus For filled that prediction

If you believe that Jesus existed and that Jesus was the Savior then the Bible accurately predicted his coming

Would you please tell me where that was stated

Proven hoaxes?

That’s also an opinion, and in truth I agree with youMostly the bottom line is it’s close to impossible to prove these things a 100% hoax

The best that can be done is to try to find a logical exclamation and hope people see that but until they can literally see documented evidence of a hoax it’s still up for debate .

The Bible is still a valid comparison

It’s predictions for the arrival of the Savior and how Jesus Christ is said to have presented himself are a perfect example of that

But again that depends on whether or not you believe exist

By the way I like the comment you made about how there’s time travelers wouldn’t be able to use their cell phones because there are no cell towers, but I don’t think you looked at it all the way through

Think about it if they are so advanced that they can travel through times then it’s quite likely the phones that they use containing all the tech they need to be there onw cell towers, Or the check could be so advance that it no longer needs cell towers

Think about it like the Star Trek communicator’s, every time the crew will the enterprise or some other show went back in time they were still able to use their communicators in the past

 

In the Transformers: Timelines, #1 "The Beast Wars Prequel", mini-comic that was packed in with the Shout Factory BW DVD set (aka "Dawn of Future's Past"), we get to see the crews of both the Axalon and Darksyde just before the first episode began.


The Maximal High Council thrice refers to Optimus as "Primal".

BW Megatron is already "Megatron".

Optimus begins to refer to [Rattrap] as "R--" but is suddenly cut off.

[Cheetor] already has black spots.

[Tigatron] already has black stripes, and [Airrazor] calls him "Stripes".

[Rattrap] already has his bucktooth rat face.

Both [Cheetor] and [Tigatron] already have their feline-looking robot faces.

[Rattrap] already calls [Rhinox] "the big rhinoceros".

[Dinobot] already growls as he speaks.

[Terrorsaur] already squawks like a bird. [Scorponok] calls him "Beakbot".


Most of these cues seem silly and anachronistic to me.

 

“Rattrap” calling “rhinox” a big rhinoceros is a callback to beast wars part 1 or 2 where rattrap calls rhinox a big bulldozer, the reference was done because prebeast rhinox was a bulldozer

 

Yes, completely.

But as extensive as they are, this falls under design/production notes. Similar to a scene/line deleted or never produced. If it's not aired in a cartoon, then it was never in the cartoon.

 

There's nothing magical about it... well except Charmed since that series was literally about magic but that's besides the point.

I'm going to have to explain this a different way with you. How do you know what it is I'm writing in my posts? I'm writing all this in the past from your perspective so by your logic the fact that you know about my posts or any post that you read is magic. By your logic just because you're going to read this in the future doesn't mean you should know what I wrote just because it's in the past... except that's exactly how time works anything that happens in the past is known in the future. It's not magic, it just remembering something that already happened. Of course information can be incomplete or inaccurate because unless you're actually there when it happens you can't know everything but that's not what I claimed. Only that some people would have some knowledge of the Beast Wars. It's not like it's they're on present day Earth then no one would know about it till they got back to Cybertron but being in the past there's no way that people in the future wouldn't know about it. That would be like no one knowing that this post exists... which technically from my point of view it doesn't because I haven't actually posted it yet but I will have by the time you see this.

As to your question as to why they sent out probes, I already told you. The information is incomplete and with the name changes they can't even be sure it's actually about Optimus' crew. They only have enough info to suspect it might be them and the Probes would be sent out to suspected time periods to confirm those suspicions. They wouldn't just be send out probes randomly because the size of the universe and all of the time periods they could of gone to it'd be impossible to make that many probes let alone actually launch them. But if you narrow down the probable locations and time periods it's a lot more manageable. Just look for irregularities in history like technology you know shouldn't exist yet like the remnants of Maximals and Predacons being found on Earth together with a story about Optimus Primal and Megatron fighting a war there in the same time period.

2. Your responses seem to be based on the idea that people in the future would some how know every single little detail of the Beast Wars but as I have repeatedly told you I never said that. What I did say was that the future would have incomplete and possibly not entirely accurate history of the Beast Wars. They can't know everything without actually being there but you keep ignoring that so you in fact have claimed that the Beast Wars has no effect on the future simply by having this argument at all. If you're not saying that the past has no effect on the future then we have no reason to be arguing right now because all I'm saying is that the past does effect the future. That's literally our entire debate in a nut shell.

3. None of those characters were ever shown in a solid state, they were shown in the same shapeless vaguely humanoid form in stasis pods. None of them were up walking around until after they had beast modes. Hell they don't even have faces as protoforms, they're just completely blank forms with no signs of any distigusing detail. I'm pretty sure the animators literally used the same animation model for all of them.

I think you're getting confused with the 07 movie where Protoforms transform into asteroids and can actually walk around. Those are more solid which is propably the only time I'm ever going to use the words "more solid" about anything from the movies.

4. I've been wanting to rewatch the entire series again for a while now but haven't had the time. Being my favorite series and the fact that I always seem to notice things on rewatch that make me love it more every time I see it, this disappoints me. It's also on my most wanted list to get the series on DVD or Blu Ray. I saw Metals at Wal Mart a couple years ago but passed on it because I wanted the complete series. Not even sure why they did that for an American release when originally it was only Japan that split seasons 2 and 3 into Beast Wars Metals. But for some reason the American DVD release seemed to also be split into two box sets and Wal Mart was sold out on season 1. I did see an empty spot with a Beast Wars season 1 price tag right next to the Trans metals seasons. I believe there is also a complete series box set. A lot of shows seem to have it optional where you can buy an entire series or specific seasons.

1. True, but it doesn't really need to be consistent since we're mainly only talking about Beast Wars. I tried to stick to stories where time travel works in a similar way. Inconsistencies aren't really relevant unless it's part of the story we're actually talking about.

2. I have no idea what you're asking me. You lost me at Cyber Charlie. You seem to have some really bad autocorrect going on.

3. That's not really relivant. Some people split G1 into multiple different continuities but the truth is it's all one continuity with a shit tone of errors. Even the cartoon contradicts itself at times. Splitting it into multiple continuities is a sort of head canon, a way for fans to make the inconsistences more manageable. But officially it's all the same thing.

4. Being a believer or not is irrelevant to facts. Just because you believe something to be true doesn't make it true. Did you know there are actually still people who believe the Earth is flat. This shocked me when I first heard it, I always thought flat Earthers were a thing of the past before space travel existed but no people are remarkably stupid and continue to believe in stupid things even though there is irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round. Facts are things that can and have been proven to be true beyond reasonable doubt.

Also proving something a hoax isn't just about claiming another explination as you seem to think. It's about showing evidence that the magical claims are fake and showing how it's actually done. Some times even the people responsible come out and admit to the hoax. Crop circles, the guys who made them came out and showed how they did it because they wanted people to know they did it. For a long time it was attributed to alien space ships landing but no evidence was ever shown to prove that. The hoax however was proven because when these guys came out and said they made the crop circles, they went out with a reporter and demonstrated exactly how it was really done.

Claiming it could be this or this is more likely isn't proof of anything and not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about people who actually gathered evidence to back up those claims and prove that nothing magical was involved. There's a guy who goes around to different Psychics and uncovers exactly how they're faking it because he use to do the exact same thing. You go in with a fake name and a fake story. If the Psychic is real they should be able to catch this but they never do. For example, Psychic claims I can talk to the dead. You have the Psychic contact your dead wife, he or she puts on a little show pretending to talk to or be possessed by the wife. The only problem is, was never married, there is no dead wife, so how does the psychic know about things they shouldn't? Simple, because you gave them all that information without even realizing it. They will often contact the dead in groups. Why? Because at least one person in that group is a plant going around asking people why they came. The plant gets your story and before you even meet the psychic the plant has passed along that information to the fake psychic. This isn't just an opinion or a hunch, it's been proven multiple times. Almost every psychic is a fake and have been caught this way. A real psychic would know that the dead wife doesn't exist and you can't contact the spirit of a woman who never existed. There for the psychic is fake.

It's just as much a fact as the Earth being round. Now to be honest I don't think ghosts are fake. I just think the supernatural version of them is. The human brain does produce energy when it's alive and there is no energy in a dead brain. Energy can not be destroyed only contained or altered so that energy must go some where when we die. It can't just disappear. But the concept of a spirit world is complete and total BS. There's no other world in the after life, they'd just be hanging around here, you know the only place that we actually know exists. Now that you can say is my opinion because I have no proof of this claim but everything else is fact. No one has ever been proven to have any magical powers. They have been proven to hoaxes.

Jesus, historically did exist but was a normal man who never performed one single miracle that the bible claims he did. In reality the story of his conception was made up because Mary cheated on her husband with another man and if people knew that back then both her and the baby would have been killed. But claiming to be a virgin pregnant with God's baby and a lot more people were supersticious and easily fooled back then.

The Bible also claimed that Jesus would rise from the grave three days after his death. It's 2017 years after his death and still no resurrection. He's not walking around amoung us right now, he's still dead. He didn't rise and die again either because his tomb was found to be undisturbed. If he had come back to life three days later as the Bible said he would there would be some evidence of that. It simply never happened.

 

Oh and I would tell you where the thing about the Covenant was stated but honestly I don't remember. I think I read it online some where, possibly on the web site that one of the shows writers set up.

 

Or is it?

As a lover of Charmed, I noticed several homages to Transformers there.
There was a creepy ice cream truck from Prue's childhood, and she could somewhat recall the truck's tune.
When she hummed it, it sounded like the music from G1 5 Faces of Darkness, when Scourge tracked missing Galvatron through space.

In the later seasons, the Avatars 1st presented themselves as skull flying apparitions, looking eerily like the Vok from BW.

There were lots more which I can't remember now.

 

I think the one who doesn’t understand time travel is a certain somebody with a Fallen avatar.

Yes, the Beast Wars are in the past. That point can not be argued, it’s a simple fact.

However, what must be considered is that everything taking place on Cybertron is the PRESENT. It takes place while the Beast Wars are still happening. That means they don’t have information on what happened during these events. That information won’t come until the characters who took place in these events come back to Cybertron’s present. If the parts of the series that took place on Cybertron were in the future, not the present, then yes, they would have knowledge of these events. However, that’s not the way it was presented. We see Cybertron while Primal and the others are still in the past.

Look at it this way. We know about history because it was recorded then and those transcripts have survived through time. I can’t wake up tomorrow and suddenly have knowledge of a historical event unless it was recorded. If someone goes back in time and have a battle in a desolate part of the planet using current technology, but no one is there to see it, and no record of the events is left behind, those of us here in the present would have no idea it ever happened. However, once those that went to the past returned to the present, we would then have the information that they brought back with them.

The present day Cybertron would only learn what happened once the Beast Wars warriors returned to the present.

 

1) The problem with the inconsistencies even within transformer time traveling stories makes it a little hard to come to a solid conclusion in this case.

2) lol
That’s was intended as “Cybertron”
I was asking you if you felt the people back on cybertron,In their original time frame were fully aware of what was going on in earth of the past

3) it is relivant If you’re going to dismiss some retcons and not others

And the truth is officially G1 is split into multiple different continuities.
If you chose to see it as all one continuity with a shit tone of errors that’s your prerogative but that is not a fact

True the cartoon contradicts itself at times But somebody’s continuities have completely different origin stories for the transformers a completely different histories and there is no way to say they are all one continuity with errors

officially G1 Has been separate continuities since the inception of the series

4) Being a believer is relevant to facts when the facts can’t be proven

Also proving something a hoax is in many cases just about claiming another explination .And evidence of actually proven hoaxes doesn’t really refute that fact

Some of these cases can be proven beyond a doubt others can’t that’s the point

That’s your opinion fine

At times it’s mine since I’m rather conflicted on the topic but the bottom line is you can’t prove that

One more thing marry this pregnant I believe before she was married although she was promised to be married

Again that’s your opinion, what did you forget what the holiday is Easter was meant to commemorate?

This is where the faith comes in and where the facts of since we weren’t there we can’t know the truth

And also again your details are a bit wrong, Or is it that you somehow feel opening the tomb and removing the body “undisturbed”

And after so long after the events in question what kind of evidence would you expect define today?

The only answer to that would be testimony from people of the time?And yes, the Bible does report such testimony.
And not just from those that follow him at the time but also from Roman guards

Sure enough it could all be fiction and made up but again we weren’t there so we can’t know

Testimony Of the Bible states that the guards at the tomb were found sleeping the tomb was found open and the body was removed

That’s a disturbance tomb

No maybe the guards never stayed on job and follow their orders.... maybe somebody saw that as an opportunity to steal the body and further a hoax

Or maybe the whole story was true we don’t know

But the Bible did predict his coming and his death, so either Jesus was The fulfillment of the prophecy or it was a ConMan who found a good story And try to take advantage of it

It was a Star Trek episode That did something like this

 

Yes, I'm reading what you wrote in the future compared to when you wrote it. But that's not at all the same thing. The board informs me whenever someone quotes something I've posted and I know exactly where to look for that information. As I keep telling you though, Cybertron has no records of Pre-Historic Earth. They have no idea what happened to the Axalon after it disappeared chasing the Predacons. They have zero details about the Beast Wars to know anything about it.

Yet, you claim Cybertron knows exactly what they changed their names to? How? How did Cybertron get that information in the first place, yet no other details, like when or where it was?

How can you still deny that this was shown in the cartoon? tigatron2002 even posted pictures from the cartoon that shows those characters in a solid state while still inside their stasis pods. And Tigatron's pod was even shown to have briefly activated him before he got a beast mode. Again, that's one of the pictures tigatron2002 posted. We see the pod door open and his hand reaching out. Quickstrike did the same thing, smashing the glass of the door before the pod gave him his beast mode.

 

I’ll share these again since you seem to be glossing over my posts, but these three are clearly not the liquid metal forms, clearly not the same character model and blackarachnia clearly has a face in her protoform state.

 

1. What inconsistencies within Transformers time travel stories are you referring to?

2. I've already said this multiple times. It would be impossible to be fully aware of an event in the past unless you were actually there. All I have ever claimed was that they would have some idea of those events in the past. How many times do I have to say this?

Look, when you read a history book do you know the names of every single soldier who fought in World War 2? No, do you know who made it home and who died? No. But are you aware that the war happened? Yes. Do you know who Hitler was? Yes. Because it's recorded history from our past we know these things but we don't know every detail.

3. I didn't dismiss any retcons, I dismissed something from an entirely different continuity. A retcon is something that's added or changed within the same continuity. Sparks replacing laser cores is a retcon. Something from a different continuity entirely such as Megatron took his name from the Fallen, not a retcon, you're just assuming that because it's in aligned that it must be true in every other continuity as well. It's not a retcon till Hasbro says something officially making that true in every continuity.

4. That is nonsensical. If you can't prove a fact then you can not claim a fact. Belief never has any place in fact because belief in something can not make it true. As to the other part, I actually agree with you. Disproving one supernatural claim doesn't disprove them all. You kinda have to take it on a case by case basis. Still the numbers are against us because in every single instance of a claim not a single one has ever been proven true. The only thing in our favor is that there are propably just as many unresolved cases meaning that they could not be conclusively proven true or hoax. There are several possible explanations but no one knows for sure what the correct answer is. Believers typically just accept them as real supernatural events while skeptics use similar cases that were proven fake to try and claim this one must be fake too. Still this is irrelevant because facts and beliefs are two different things.

5. Again no, that's historical fact. Scientists dug up his tomb, ran DNA tests, and no evidence was ever found of anything claimed in the Bible. They did uncover actual historical evidence of the lawsand beliefs of the people at the time. Now granted I suspected this for a long time before I even knew about the evidence but the evidence proves this was fact. A pregnant virgin is impossible, a woman lying to save her life, is possible and actually happened. There was a reativly small population at the time and they know from DNA testing that his real father was just some dude. They don't know his name, the guy's remains were found in an unmarked grave but his DNA matches and he's the right age to have been Marry's secret lover.

6. No again thaat's fact. As I said before his tomb was found undisturbed, we know for a fact he never rose from the dead because if he had there would be evidence of it.

And faith does not come into play, EVER! Faith is not and can not be a substitute for facts. Beliefs are nothing more than opinions. You seem to have fact and opinion, belief and science remarkably confused.

Oh and Easter, religious people can't even agree what it is. Some people believe that's Jesus' birthday. Most think that's Christmas but there are a few who believe Christmas is fake and Easter is the real birthday. Others believe both are wrong. I really don't care and honestly the true story of both holidays is that they were made up by corperations and no one really knows when he was born. Not the exact day away we can approximate a year but there's no way to tell exactly what day.

And to clarify I'm saying his tomb was undisturbed by Jesus himself, meaning there's no evidence of any movement within the tomb between the time it was sealed and the time it was uncovered. Of course it was disturbed by the scientists and archeologists that entered and extracted the body but they never found any evidence of him getting up and moving around in there.

There's no evidence that the body was ever moved, no evidence of the tomb ever being opened, nothing. Meaning everything in the bible never happened. As for what evidence you would expect to find today? How about a freaking empty tomb with no body, the entrance having already been opened from the inside. Anything but a completely sealed tomb that still contains the remains of a dead body that has clearly never been moved from it's final resting place.

1. Yes they do. Everyone knows about the Great War including the Earth part. They know the Autobots and Decepticons were in stasis during that time period so they must also have a record of the Beast Wars.

2. No that is not what I claimed, you keep saying EXACTLY I never did. I have repeated told you over and over again that is not what I said. I said that they would have SOME INCOMPLETE and possibly INACCURATE telling of the Beast Wars because without actually being there it's impossible to know every single detail. Why do you keep ignoring this and insisting on arguing with a claim I never actually made.

Just saying they would know about the Beast Wars does not mean every little detail, that was your assumption not my claim get that threw your thick head.

3. What pictures are you talking about? That link just takes me back to this same page. There are no pictures posted here. And who the hell is tigatron2002? I've never even hear of any member with that user name before let alone seen any pictures he posted.

It's possible I just don't remember him and if he's on my ignore list I can't see his posts. So you're actually trying to present nothing to me as evidence. Quotes don't show up either so your going to have to post the pictures yourself because I have no clue what the hell you're talking about.

 

Someone tell SaberPrime to take me off ignore apparently haha or reshare the pics of the solid protoforms so he can be proven wrong about that point at least

 

As you say, the Autobots and Decepticons were in stasis during that time period. That means they wouldn't have a record of the Beast Wars. They wouldn't wake up until the year 1984... Millions of years after the Beast Wars. The most they know about Earth history is what humans have recorded. They wouldn't know anything about pre-historic Earth, when the Beast Wars took place.

No need to be insulting. You clearly aren't understanding what I'm saying... Whether they would have every little detail or not is irrelevant, what I'm saying is that they wouldn't have ANY details about the Beast Wars. Incomplete or otherwise. They don't know about it on Cybertron at all.

This is what tigatron2002 posted

 

Thank you haha

 

1. No, just because the Autobots and Decepticons were in stasis doesn't mean there's no record of the Beast Wars.

Look, Optimus Prime woke up for a few seconds after being repaired, the Axalon and the Darksyde's remains were left on Earth, the corpses of every Maximal and Predacon who died was left on Earth. Are you seriously suggesting that in all the time between when the Beast Wars ended and future Cybertron that the Autobots and Decepticons never found all the future Cybertronian technology that was left on Earth from Beast Wars, that Humans never found that technology, that Prime doesn't remember waking up and looking directly at Primal? It is possible Prime doesn't remember that or thought it was a dream... if Transformers dream... is that even a thing? But the idea that the Maximal and Predacon technology was never found is unlikely.

Plus we literally see them reading their own history from the Covenant of Primus. How can you deny that there was a written history when the series is loaded with evidence that there was a written history?

If the Maximals had actually bothered to clean up their mess before they left there probably wouldn't be a history but they just took Megatron and carelessly left a shit ton of future Cybertronian technology on prehistoric Earth where it could be later found and used as evidence to detail an approximate history of the Beast Wars.

Plus they also took an Autobot shuttle and there's no way they're not going to notice when they wake up that their shuttle is gone.

2. You think that was insulting? No, if I wanted to insult you I would of done it like five posts ago. That was just being frustrated at repeating myself. Also I get what your saying but you also have repeated asked why they would know some details and not others and repeated said I claimed they would know everything about the Beast Wars. It does matter when you keep saying I said something I didn't.

And still what makes you think they wouldn't know anything? Why would the send a prob to that location and time if they didn't know to look there? If all they knew is that their ancestors were in stasis there they'd have no reason to think Primal would even be there and there would be no probe in the first place.

3. Like I said, they're generic blank forms. Are you looking at different pictures cause none of them even have a face. How would they ever be up walking around like that?

Though I will admit I misremembered them all looking the same. Still they're blank, faceless. Blackarachnia appears to have the vague outline of her helmet but Airrazor do you see any signs of a face on that thing?

Those things are like fetuses, outside of their stasis pods, without being fully formed they can't even survive long. And not just because of energon overload. Transmutate might have lived if she weren't killed because unlike those things she was fully formed... deformed but she actually had a face.

 

Ok, back on the ignore list he goes, especially considering the pic of blackarachnia in her pod has the same freaking face as her usual character model plus he claimed they all used the same character model and claimed they never showed the protoforms as anything other than liquid metal. Dude seriously needs to rewatch the series before stating wrong information as fact or at least have the tact to admit when he’s wrong

 

If I had the time I could probably point out a few but the one that comes to mind right away stems from a storyline In the UK G1 comics with the Continuing stories that started with target 2006

Why do you believe they would have to have some idea of those events before contact was established?.

You did even if you weren’t aware of it

The info that came from a different continuity was “retcon” into G1 When they made the fallen a multi universal singularity , which meant That in every different continuity the fallen was the same guy

And that altered the origins of the Megatron’s in each of those Continuities The same way sparks got retconed into g1

But like I said the multi universal thing seems to have been rewritten also so I don’t see the point of going on with this topic

It really isn’t and there are great many things that fit Those kind of parameters.

But that’s going to turn into a religious debate and I don’t want to be in one of those

The bottom line is there are many people who take it as fact the information in the Bible and since there’s no way to disprove it then it sits in between

And it’s good to see if we can agree on a few things

Its debatable Since most of the evidence we have is just testimony

You made a mistake there is speaking as if you have the facts 100%

They did find a tomb , And the evidence does suggest that it was disturbed very long time ago.
Inside the tomb 10 stone coffins were found with only four of them with legible names,And aside from those 10 coffins bones were found on the floor, three slulls were amongst those bones found on the floor...Which proves it was in the disturbed

One coffin Had the the name Jesus Son of Joseph on it, Another had the name Judith son of Jesus and the last contained the name marry or at least as much as they can translate

The tomb was also found on what they believe to be property once owned by the man who provided the tomb to Jesus family

But they were not able to prove that this is the Jesus recorded in the Bible all the names of the questions were very used in that era

I’m going to ask you for the source of that information? As far as I know the DNA test done was done on the mitochondria level and it was done to determine whether the “Jesus” found in the tomb was a blood relation to the “Marry” that was also found in the tomb

The results came back was that they were not blood related so it is assumed they were a married couple.....I know nothing of any DNA of a possible father to the Jesus that was found, In fact I never heard it was 80 bodies found in there that were old enough to have been his father

Either way I don’t know how we would’ve been able to identify gods DNA anyway

As to the rest it falls to belief, if you believe then god can make anything possible, even A pregnant virgin

There’s no proof that’s the tomb of the Jesus recorded in the Bible

So we don’t know for a fact he did not rise

And that’s why faith come into play, because we don’t have any 100% proven facts

I’m going to have to ask you to back that up, granted I’ve known many people can not agree on if the months and dates are accurate. But I have never heard of anybody thinking that the Easter holiday is to celebrate his birth

 

Be careful what you wish for

 

...The Tripredacus Council didn't know any of it. Heck they thought Megatron and his crew were gone and that Tarantulas had, presumably, failed his mission. They only became aware after the Transwarp Wave, where they conspired to prevent the Maximals from finding out so that they could have the situation dealt with quietly. After all, if anyone on Cybertron had any foreknowledge of the Beast Wars, why even bother sending the probes across space and time to begin with? This logic dictates that they wouldn't need to send them all over and would only have needed to send one, or a rescue ship, to the point that the Axalon Crew was stranded in. But they didn't. It wouldn't make sense for them to send the probes to search for them in the first place if they already know about the Beast Wars and have no intention of stopping it.

Nothing within or outside the show implies that there was any foreknowledge of the events of the series on the part of the Maximal and Tripredacus Councils.