guys I just had me one absolutely hell razor of a brainstorm a eureka moment if you would what with lotor using a multidimensional reality pierceing comet to create 2 of what will eventually be 3 high tech space vehicles(presumably to use as components of a even larger combiner super robot body for himself to pilot ) and then theres the quintessence angle as well as a potential constantly regenerating fuel sorce to power it on considering how it has indefinitely lengthened hagar and zarkons life spans as unnaturally living beings and the fact the galra use it as all forms of fuel for their technology and weaponry what's to say lotor aint attempting to create his own version of a getter team for all intents and purposes in which quintessence is used in place of getter rays? THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND PEOPLE CAUSE I MY BRAIN JUST IMPLODED FROM THE SHEER CONCENTRATED AWESOMENESS OF THE IDEA
So, I started watching this on saturday evening. It's not bad, I think I like it. Although I still dislike that he has lion heads for everything. If Voltron at least had real fists instead of lion heads. They could have made the lion heads his shoulde pads and then give him real hands.
I'm assuming that you've never had any experience with the previous series, and this is all completely new to you?
The Lion hands are pretty iconic. I'm sure there would be a lot of fan butthurt if they changed them. But you aren't the first person to say that.
It's funny you say this because I can relate. The lion hands didn't bother me as a kid when I was watching the original show, but for some reason I grew an aversion to them as an adult and it took me longer to develop my nostalgia for Voltron than it did for other things like Transformers and Star Wars. After rewatching the series in 2003 I started wanting toys and my aversion to the lion head hands faded away. I'm still working on my aversion to Omega Supreme's laser hand and claw hand. The only modern Omega toy I've had any interest in is the Mater Made one because it had two normal hands as an option. One of those weird and irrrational directives that the brain comes up with.
I liked the idea discussed a few pages ago about how they could have regular hands and the Lion heads be gauntlets or something. The Black Lion already spontaneously generates a face, after all.
At least as far as the IDW comics (i think) go Voltron had actual hands before his separation. It would be nice to have adapted the hands somehow but if it were done now i think it would be a bit jarring...
I'd be totally fine if Voltron had real hands and feet, with the lion heads being gauntlets and anklets respectively. I like Voltron's design, but it rarely sees a fundamental update beyond the style it's in.
With a 78-episode commitment, this six-pack called "Season 4" officially puts us at the halfway point. I have several concerns. Spoiler *I REALLY don't like how Keith's character is refusing to progress; we kept hearing Shiro talk about how he's "better than this" and a "worthy successor" to the Black Lion- but every time he's in command he sucks at it. Might make sense if they showed he connects more with the Blade of Malmora missions than operating Voltron but NOPE- his angst is killing that aspect of his character too. He's just going in circles. Not learning from mistakes; not really even RECOGNIZING mistakes. *Seems WAY too quick for Shiro to be back in command of the Black Lion too; my guess is they're just building up tension for when the other shoe drops regarding his second "escape" from the Galra. *I am surprised they resolved the Matt subplot so fast too. Almost makes me wonder if he's gonna die before the show ends; he doesn't really have a narrative purpose right now anyway. *Zarkon's wearing face-armor since his revival; maybe he suffered some severe scarring in the last fight. And while Haggar's memories seem to have resurfaced, his apparently have not- at least that's the impression I get. *REALLY seems like a waste to take out Lotor's team of Lady Generals so fast. Guessing his apparent character turn won't be as positive as the finale seems to suggest either... I know most fans may point to the stage show episode as most amusing but for my money the funniest spot in the season goes to Kalternecker.
I don't think they'll kill him. If I recall correctly Pidge's brother was one of the pilots of vehicle voltron in the 80s. So I think they're setting him up for a possible vehicle voltron spinoff series
Maybe not a spin off but they may set up Vehicle Voltron at some point in this series but call it something else. Or do one of those we think the originals are dead so we created a replacement...wait they aren't dead?......boy do we look stupid type situations.
Why? Lion Voltron is doing very well but it has to end at some point so they need to start planning the next great thing. Also one of the hardest things seems to be telling an universe spanning story while only focusing on 5 people - that's why the coalition was created IMO. Vehicle Voltron was a much larger team so would be much easier to tell large stories while staying within the core characters of which there would be more of.
So finally watching the season: Spoiler Episode 1: I read that people are... shall we say, less than pleased with how the team treated Keith. I have to say I disagree. It started off as more irritation from the team that Keith would be late for, and in many cases skip, missions involving Voltron in favor of helping with the Blades of Mamora which gradually made the team increasingly angered toward him each time it happened. I have to say I don't blame them in that regard. As they said near the end of the episode, Keith kept apologizing but then did the same thing soon after with no sign of changing or trying to make the obligation, resulting in Shiro stepping in when they actually needed Voltron to save the day. I can see how frustrating it is when you are constantly relying on someone who puts something else before you. Allura even tried to explain that (although Keith didn't want a lecture) he is more essential as a Paladin than the Blades because the Lions choose who pilots them. Now, I'm not saying that Keith is entirely in the wrong. It's just that he made the decision to work more with the Blades partially because there was more of a chance to find Lotor with them, and not all of the missions the Blades were working on were as simple as they appeared, which often delayed Keith's return to help his other team. The other reason for working with the Blades more was because, despite the Black Lion choosing him, Keith still did not see himself as a worthy leader. (honestly, this is episode 34 out of what, 78? Is Keith really supposed to be okay with being leader for about 40 or so episodes?) He even mentioned this to Shiro near the beginning while also pointing out that Shiro only tried to pilot the Black Lion once since his return, insisting that Shiro is the better leader for the team. Granted, Keith should have expressed to the others that he still doesn't think he should lead, but talking about his issues and concerns isn't really his strong suit, we've all seen his vlog by now, right? The group hug at the end was a nice touch because it showed that, while they did not appreciate Keith setting the team aside, they still really care about him. And he didn't just leave them while there was any tension or problems between them. Episode 2: To whoever is not pleased with how the team is just okay with Pidge going off on her own, they weren't. But Pidge left them on a peaceful planet where they were assisting the locals without any threat from the Galra. This was a great episode displaying not only Pidge's dedication to finding her family and her part in helping protect the universe and using the knowledge she learned from Matt to locate him. Also her comment that she'd go into space to get him if he didn't come home soon was funny. Episode 3: Loved the call back to Hagar remembering that she's altean. (Seeing her looking at herself in a mirror kinda reminded me of Hexadecimal from ReBoot through. "Scuzzy... how dare you interrupt me while I'm putting on my face!") I also love how Matt instantly has a crush on Allura and then sees the evil eyes from Lance. (The music that came with it made it priceless) The reunion with Shiro and Matt was wonderfull (HUGSSS!) and Pidge dragging her brother to tour the castle of lions was adorable. :3 Hagar got told by Zarkon for putting Lotor in charge, (the fact that she got reprimanded at all the first time of the series is surprising. Possibly because Zarkon's forgotten who she is to him...?) The subplot with Coran and Allura was priceless. They just wanted another milkshake and then they found out where the milk comes from. XD Also, this Lotor is reminding me more of BW Megatron than I thought. Anticipating a situation and then using the information to get ahead of others. This episode may be filler but it's also quite clever considering this season is about control and gathering support. Cloaked Voltron is pretty cool. Hopefully we see it again in later episodes. I have to admit, when I read the comments about Lotor being targeted, I thought it would all be in episode 6 but now that I've watched this episode, it does make more sense to draw it out. That's all for now. I'll watch the other episodes tomorrow. jD001
I do. Their "missions" were stupid. I know building morale is great and all, but if the people are so gormless that a simple flight show is the hinging factor to convince them, they're not worth having as allies. "Oh, we were going to fight the Galra with you and lay down our lives in the pursuit of peace and liberty, but that show wasn't all that great so we're going to stay downtrodden and indecisive." It's a stupidly simplistic approach to the concept that makes the universe look hellbent on making up whatever shit it can to put Keith into the "wrong." Also, isn't the whole point of having a team is to have multiple operatives with different skill sets and objectives to make the most of your time? Focussing on one aspect one at a time is not only counter-intuative, but the direct opposite of what Team Voltron did all the time in seasons one and two. They were always splitting up, making the most of their resources. Voltron wasn't necessary at all times, and they knew that. Remember when the creators said they wouldn't just bring Voltron out for anything and save it for the serious circumstances it deserved? How are ridiculous shows and stunts at all serious? He's the defender of the universe, not a parade float. If the people they're trying to recruit can't see that, like I said, they're better off not helping at all. Y'know, Keith also only went on Blade missions when things were peaceful. He never abandonned an actual Galra-fighting mission. Only when he wasn't absolutely necessary did he go off. And the only reason there was an issue was because the Galra attacked when he was gone. If that had happened when Pidge was off on her own mission, the situation would've been the same. Except worse, because at least Keith had the good sense to leave the Black Lion. With the Green Lion gone away, there'd be no hope of forming Voltron if, say, Lotor attacked with his ship. There's always threat from the Galra, they occupy most of the known Universe. Only difference is that Keith was actually doing something about that. I wish that would've happened, but of course things are just fine when she's away. Lotor and Haggar probably just didn't want to interrupt the family reunion. And that's my problem with it all, is how the show constructs a narrative specifically to push Keith as an outcast and screwup and Pidge as perfect and the heart of the group. When Keith goes away, shit goes wrong. He screws up, his teammate screws up and dies, he almost dies, he barely escapes a fight with his life. Then when he gets back, battered and down because one of his own people died, he gets scowls and silence. Pidge, well, her trip is just peachy. Smiles and pats on the back as she departs, effortlessly beats any opposition with ninja-like skills and fighting moves, finds her brother alive, beats a random bounty hunter without so much as breaking a sweat. Well aren't things just grand for her when the world suddenly becomes a cartoonish farce and she develops implausible skill and speed on top of her absurd technical knowledge? I'm glad she never actually seemed at all not in control, it'd just be interesting otherwise. Even her flashback to high school was so trite and embarrassing, it's like the show turned into a bad episode of Power Rangers. "I'm sad because people call me a nerd for being so smart." Don't worry Pidge, being smart is great! Stay in school and study hard!" You're right, Matt, I will study hard!" Barf. She's so bland and her voice actor is bland and her backstory is bland and th show never does anything to correct or amend this. At least Keith faces adversity. He gets hit, he gets tired, he gets confused. The Universe does not yeild to his every action, if anything odds are stacked impossibly against him. He loses because there is no senario available where he doesn't. The one and only time Pidge is given the opportunity to lose, to actually be brought down to the human realm, an insultingly trite secret message leads her to her brother, who is alive and well. Is anyone seriously, earnestly going to tell me the discovery of Matt felt at all earned or gratifying to them? I'm not going to lie and say I'm not bothered by his lack of real growth, but like I said the show doesn't give him the opportunity. He was proven absolutely right when Shiro got back into the Black Lion. That's conclusive, there's no obligation as of now for him to step up and lead, so why should he? The show won't let him grow or develope, just like it won't let anyone. Virtually nobody is actually growing or maintaining development from before, which I mention a few pages ago. Everyone is at their most basic this season, their least nuanced. It's like vastly less experienced writers took over and were handed only footnotes on the characters and story to go off of. Or, and I hope I'm wrong, but this season or batch of episodes or whatever was produced after the first season and fan reactions, and like many tragic media is falling a bit into it's own hype. Which is to say it's now adjusting itself and beign influenced by fan reactions and popular opinion, and this is the result. People liked Shiro as leader? Bring 'im back in! People like this new take on Pidge? Crank her up to eleven and pour focus onto her subplot. People liked the humour and visual gags? Turn that shit up with full-on anime moments of chibi and animation shifts that last way too long and feel every bit as forced and pandering as they are. I hope I'm wrong, but it would make sense why this season felt so off.
Very well said, and all of this summarizes my own thoughts far better than I am able to articulate. I'm curious to hear your thoughts on episode 4 since that one especially seems to be very polarizing. I did find the bit with the cow to be one of the funniest bits in the series. It reminded me of being in 2nd grade and visiting my best friends home for the first time. His family ran a dairy farm and he showed me the cows, the milkers and even how to do it by hand. For supper his mom set out a pitcher of fresh, warm milk straight from the cow. I had never really thought about milk before that but boy was I thinking about it now! It was months before I would drink it again. XD
TL;DR. But I will say that if this show does one more "hot headed paladin goes on ill-advised solo mission and trouble ensues" episode then I'm giving it a timeout.
Watched episode 4: Spoiler The second I saw that merchant from the Space Mall, I thought it might be revenge for Coran swindling him for the engine power conductor. (It wasn't expressed if it was or wasn't so I'll have to say I was wrong) That being said, I love that they did an episode dedicated to Coran. Admittedly, it was corny but so's Coran so I guess it balances it out. (but I did cringe at the performances) Coran's desire to help Voltron gain more followers is touching and I felt bad for him with the first two gigs failed. I did like how Coran's accent did change from his proper Australian accent to that or a sleezy carnival announcer/business man/Agent speak when the brain worm controlled him, kinda made him seem a bit more off than usual. I felt bad for Hunk and Allura, given that Hunk was exploited (later on) for humor and Allura had to act like Keith to keep the rumors of his departure quiet. Guess the Security guy's new obsession is with Voltron and not his hero, Zarkon. (laughed when he fell over in his chair with his Voltron action figures) But I do love BeeBo. He's adorable. (love how he just grabbed the worm from Coran's brain and batted it away with his head. Although how did he know that the brain worm was the problem...?) I felt bad for him at the end when Coran yelled at him. You'd think he'd cut him some slack after helping him. "Help me Beebo, you're my only hope." Made me chuckle too. While not that strong an episode, it does continue Voltron's plan to gain more followers in their efforts to stop Zarkon. But now that they have more supporters, we can move on to the action. I'll look into episode 5 and 6 either Thurs or Fri. jD001
