You can ignore him, @Markdelg. It's just his customary anti-BW post in any BW-related thread.

 

I've noticed this a lot now a days. When did people forget that there's a difference between a suggestion and an order? It's especially bad when someone ASKS for advice and then flips out because they don't like the advice they were given.

This part isn't for Markdelg but rather whoever he was responding to, it's not an order, you don't like what you were told you don't have to do it. And also if you don't want to listen to the opinions of others then don't ask for it. I hate it when people ask me for advice then flip out on me because they don't like what I have to say and suddenly decide I'm giving them orders. No I'm giving you a suggestion, which you asked for, don't like it, then don't do it. Get another suggestion from someone else.

 

I argue that you can tell your tastes well before 3/4 of the way through, but that's neither here nor there. Now, YOU YOURSELF haven't made it out like an order, but I have seen it on these forums where people who didn't like what the group liked were given that EXACT "advice", as far as basically watch it until you like it. I should have broken the paragraph to differentiate, so that was on me.

And where in that post was there ANY anti-BW commentary? Try to find something, I dare you. You can't. This bullshit right here adds NOTHING to the discussion.

My deal was not that someone said watch it, I gave the EXACT same advice. My issue is with the suggestion of duration. IF I worded things in a way that were not clear, then I apologize. However, the spirit of what I was trying to communicate is still intact. If the first sip of peach tea makes me gag, there is no reason to try to get most or all the way through the glass of tea. If I sip apple cider and don't gag, then I have no reason to steer away from the rest of the drink, unless I dislike the taste. That is what I'm getting at, and that is the advice I gave the original poster.

 

You'll find that it is your original post that added nothing to the discussion.

You should be all over this thread like a rash with your thoughts on Beast Wars. But instead of offering an opinion on the topic, you drag the discussion into semantics with trademark negativity.

So, either join the discussion, or there's the door.

 

Get your vision checked, I DID add something to the discussion. Your personal bias against ME, however, can be taken to the door.

 

*Reads G1Prowl's original post. Looks for anything remotely related to the thread topic. Finds nothing.*

 

Jesus Christ. G1Prowl gave an opinion, that while not directly related to Beast Wars, is still applicable to the topic at hand. It's ridiculous to police him for it and ACTUALLY derail the topic.

 

You'd think that it would sink in, but Verno has a victim complex tied to his obsession level love of BW and my "GEEWUNNER" (apparently) disinterest in it. I've tried to engage in civil discourse, but instead I get this:

So yeah, all that matters is that I don't pray at the altar of Mainframe Media, so he will find fault with ANYTHING I post. I should have compensated for that when I posted. I will not, however, let his passive/aggressive behavior deter me from posting.

 

Haha, apply whatever labels you need to.

The truth of the matter is that I'd be more than happy to hear your opinion on whether Beast Wars actually is that good or not. Instead, you turn up and rather than participate in the discussion, you accuse another poster of being disingenuous, when they were being nothing or the sort. A post that appeared no less than 4 pages previous in the thread that you decided to take issue with.

So come on, let's hear it. Answer the question posed by the thread itself: Is Beast Wars really that good?

 

It is as good and as bad as every other series. Simple as that. While Energon may be the exception to that formula, every other series fits it. The best parts of BW are as good as the best parts of every other series. The character growth that actually HAPPENS in BW is as good as it is in every other series. I see no reason to hold it to more of a pinnacle than any other series.




THAT has been my opinion for years. Everything else comes down to aesthetic preference, nostalgia, or tone preference. Pure and simple.


What issues I have with BW stems more from the fans' inability to accept how baseline BW is. That, and the false assumption that BW updates sold out and never shelf warmed.

 

There you go. That wasn't so hard now, was it? That gives something for others to discuss with you if they're so inclined.

 

Not at all!

 

In my opinion no.

 

@Awesomepow - just curious if you've been able to watch any yourself. You've heard everyone's opinions, now I'm curious to hear yours!

 

Hmm, I don't think I've ever actually seen anyone ask for a follow-up to one of these threads. I too would be interested to know how you found it.

 

"The character growth that actually HAPPENS in BW is as good as it is in every other series."

I'm not sure I can agree with this
I mean, not every TF series had good character growth some didn't have any good character growth whatsoever at least in my opinion

I could see an argument for saying that the character growth in bw is as good as the character growth as, let's say tf prime or tf animated

However, G1 is my absolute favorite TV show but in the end I wouldn't say there was any true "good" character growth for anybody in that series

 

As far as character growth goes it is not something that is necesarry to make interesting fiction, nor is it a natural thing.
Character growth is a hobby horse for people who consider themselves discerning consumers of fiction. For how much that matters.
I will agree that the character growth in BW is aproximately equal and as much of a non issue as it is in most other TF fiction.

What raises BW over i guess all other TF fiction imo is it's succesfull dedication to telling a largely coherent longterm struggle between the high stakes raised by the villain and the aim of the heroes to stop him that goes beyond the episodic battle over macguffins and battles that only serve to make certain characters look badass (being one of the exeptions to that is what makes code of hero so overrated).
This while having a good balance with comedy and having interesting and engaging characters (who are not the usual quatrain + drones) wether they change over the course of the story or not.

And all this without being as arrogant as wanting to be considered dark or gritty, while having possibly the highest stakes of any TF cartoon.

 

I haven't been able to watch Energon E2 due to a home issue and strict schedule,so I'm planning BW next weekend.Any good links for E1?

Thanks,
Awesomepow

(I left the discussion since it was getting heated earlier...)

 

Immediately I think of the Aerialbots. Then you have Rodimus Prime in Season 3, as well as Octane. There are others, I'm sure, but showing more than zero shows that there was good character growth.

And if you want to delve into character development, we get Starscream early on in Season 1 as well as several in Season 2. I admit that most characters in Season 1 basically display a pattern of behavior and that's about all we get, but to say there was NO growth or development isn't accurate.