2019 Transformers Movie To Feature An Entirely New Storyline

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by SilverOptimus, Sep 23, 2017.

  1. Galvatross

    Galvatross Dom Dom, Yes Yes Veteran

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2013
    Posts:
    7,405
    Trophy Points:
    292
    Likes:
    +10,871
    Who's we? Not me, and I wasn't even that crazy about The Last Knight, but there are a few reasons I don't want a reboot yet.

    One: We have Unicron established in the movie universe. They should at least have a movie with him as the main antagonist given that he exists.

    Two: Resolve the story of the war, Quintessa, Optimus, and Megatron, whether it's a peaceful till all are one or the permanent deaths of one or more of those characters.

    Three: We at least have some cool Autobots like Hound, Drift, and Crosshairs. Let's see them either have a happy ending or go out fighting. Show why they, along with Bumblebee, are the Pathetic Dirty Foursome.

    Four: A reboot, regardless of how good or bad it would be, would almost certainly be the same, overused 1984 cast fighting each other again. Let's at least use some of the lesser used characters and ideas in the current movies one last time before going back to the (at this point in the brand's history) cliche "Autobots befriend young human while Decepticons attack" story.

    Yeah, I want a last main sequel with Prime, Megatron, Unicron, Quintessa, Bumblebee, Hound, Drift, Crosshairs, Dinobots, Hot Rod, Barricade, and maybe a few new Decepticons and/or minions of Unicron.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  2. Chaos Prime

    Chaos Prime Combaticon

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2004
    Posts:
    6,729
    Trophy Points:
    337
    Likes:
    +2,440
    Yeah we've had 10 years and five movies to see the Bayformers play out, and it's becoming more, and more obvious that it's looking more like a sinking ship.

    I mean if you like shallow, and shit movies, that's great. That's fine. But maybe it's time for other Transformers fans who don't want shallow and shit to be able to enjoy a Transformers movie.
    Bayformers fans have had 10 years, of making Transformers a laughing stock, it's time shoot this rotting zombie in the head, and end it.
     
    • Like Like x 6
  3. Deadend

    Deadend Spark of Creation

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2003
    Posts:
    5,314
    News Credits:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    337
    Likes:
    +2,987
    Pretty sure "new story" only means they have new material to work with, and has nothing to do with a reboot at all.
    Same as how ROTF was a new story, and DOTM, and AOE to TLK were new stories.

    So TF6 will have a new story, but will probably also still entail how the landscape of earth has changed and there are new threats out there fighting against the autobots and humans. Every movie has been a 'new story'. So people are probably reading too much into what's being said.

    Or maybe I'm biased because I really want to learn more about how Cogman came to earth, and where his story goes next after the events of TLK. The way they talked about headmasters in the film really makes me curious about them expanding on that and the other potential in those areas, and with Quintessa, they left a lot open to explore there about what she herself is too. (Considering how infernocus leaned so heavy on heads, I have a feeling Quintessa herself might be a headmaster too and potentially part of why Cogman left cybertron originally.) Cogman's personality aspects and confidence building scenes seem to suggest a past of loss, on top of watching an entire family lineage backstab each other repeatedly.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  4. Dinobot Snarl

    Dinobot Snarl Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2008
    Posts:
    18,563
    News Credits:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    387
    Likes:
    +45,780
    A sizable chunk of the fandom detests these movies, because how thoroughly terrible the plots are, the racist / juvinile humor, the fact that none of the characters are recognizable except Optimus, the way the lore is mishandled, and more.

    Also,
    Don't get greedy, you've had your fun for 10+ years. I sure would have like to have more time with Transformers Prime myself. But series would have been rebooted by now.
     
    • Like Like x 7
  5. T-Hybrid

    T-Hybrid Gnodab Kidult (He/Him)

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2006
    Posts:
    38,512
    News Credits:
    59
    Trophy Points:
    412
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Likes:
    +79,188
    It's gonna be a soft reboot. Especially if Bee Movie performs to expectations.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  6. Deadend

    Deadend Spark of Creation

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2003
    Posts:
    5,314
    News Credits:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    337
    Likes:
    +2,987
    A sizable chunk of the fandom has been vocally wishing the films to fail since after the first one since it wasn't "G1 enough" for them.
    And why do we "need" a reboot at all to get something different? Star Wars never needed a reboot and each movie has been different enough while still in universe of the overall continuity.
    And potentially we're going to see with the bumblebee movie that a new director can take the same universe in new directions.

    As for "recognizable" characters. Are you sure we'd get that with a reboot? Every iteration of transformers changes the character looks. Beast Wars, Beast Machines, RID, Armada, Energon, Cybertron, Animated, Prime, RID, characters got sweeping overhauls in nearly all of those except for Optimus himself who got mildly changed from each. A "reboot" doesn't mean you'd get a live action G1 remake. It could mean you'd get something even more different. For example, what if whoever the reboot director is, was a fan of Armada and Energon? The 2001 RID series?

    Hasbro doesn't want to end up like Sony with the Spider-man films. A reboot will come when the timing is right and the side material is ready for it. Much later. Don't expect it anytime soon. We've got at least another half decade to decade of the current cinematic universe. If bumblebee, the animated prequel, and Tf6 all do well, don't expect a reboot at all. If they all 3 flop, then the cinematic films might get shelved for a bit while the HCU gets built first and then a comeback film set in the HCU.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  7. Tenion the Offender

    Tenion the Offender Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2017
    Posts:
    190
    Trophy Points:
    97
    Likes:
    +289
    I only hope that they won't let IDW touch this. Please anything but IDW.
    *shivering*
    _______
    Ah, the infamous raceismsis in these movies. I guess the worst part of it was the lack of black lead character in any of them, yeah.
    Also no black Bumblbee, how dare they.
     
  8. Edwardmus Prime

    Edwardmus Prime Righteous Protector of Ed-Land

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2014
    Posts:
    7,482
    Trophy Points:
    247
    Likes:
    +10,307
    I would be pretty chill with a reboot about now. These movies have really dug themselves deep and I don't think they can crawl out after the blunder that was The Last Knight. These movies lack any decent characters or cohesive plots. Just seeing someone that shows some rudimentary personality in these films is enough for them to become favorites, and these favorites are either dead by the end of the film or background characters in the sequel.

    A reboot would mean the movie ended on an apocalyptic cliffhanger, but does anyone really care if Sam, his parents, Cade and those horny old ladies die? The cosmic horror is actually mildly refreshing.

    If there is a reboot, hope they manage to bring Hound and Nitro Zeus over. TLK already dumped on them, it would stink for them to just be buried (which Nitro already was but a reboot would clear up.)

    I would like to see a reboot where the Transformers are the characters, each installment isn't the same MacGuffin dance, and with more simplified, toy ready designs. Personally couldn't give less of a damn about it following G1 "lore", however. In fact, I think it would be better suited to integrate the additions to the franchise as a whole, especially the Thirteen Primes.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  9. zachprime86

    zachprime86 AKA Launch Pad Destroyer

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2014
    Posts:
    972
    Trophy Points:
    167
    Location:
    The Sunshine State
    Likes:
    +427
    Happy now ? But that means TLK would be a total cliffhanger. I would wish that 2019 is just a sequel to TLK with new robots and hopefully a new director.
     
  10. SunSwipe5

    SunSwipe5 Twin Hellion Masters Of Jet Judo

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2014
    Posts:
    10,884
    Trophy Points:
    322
    Likes:
    +12,293
    Please be a complete reboot, please be a complete reboot :popcorn 
     
    • Like Like x 7
  11. Galvatross

    Galvatross Dom Dom, Yes Yes Veteran

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2013
    Posts:
    7,405
    Trophy Points:
    292
    Likes:
    +10,871
    One, who cares what the fandom thinks? I don't. Not that there aren't plenty of members whose opinions I respect, but these films need to appeal to general audiences and not the fandom. It's basic business sense. And trust me, what most members of the general public want and what many of the people on this site want in a Transformers film are vastly different beasts.

    Two, Transformers is juvenile. It's meant for juveniles, including the movies. Transformers has never, ever been a brand that mature adults should be proud of for loving. If anything, Transformers fans should be aware that the average person thinks they sound totally insane whenever fans go off about how Transformers Fiction A is so much "richer" than Transformers Fiction B, or how Takara or third party toys are so much better than Hasblow, etc.

    As for the lore being "mishandled," the Transformers movies are arguably the fiction most like G1. The story even parallels G1 in many ways. Many of the core concepts are heavily inspired by the source material, and each one of the movies has a plot that is inspired by one or more G1 stories and sometimes stories from other parts of the brand, whether it's "More than Meets the Eye" in the 2007 film, "The Ultimate Doom" and "Megatron's Master Plan" in DotM, or "Five Faces of Darkness Part 1" in AoE. I could go on.

    I never claimed to represent the fandom. I don't represent the fandom, and neither do you.

    Plus, here's a truth bomb: this fandom will never as a collective be happy. No matter whether they keep on making movies in the Bay universe or if they reboot, there will always be a decent chunk of the fandom complaining about the current toys, shows, films, or comics.

    If Transformers fiction comes along that I enjoy, then yay. If not, I wait until something I do like comes along or enjoy the things I love from the past. Ditto to the toylines. I am perfectly fine if I don't like the current state of the brand. Sooner or later something that I really do enjoy will emerge.

    I don't care for Prime or NuRID, I didn't like The Last Knight anywhere near as much as the previous few films, the Combiner Wars online series was a crapfest, and I am kind of "meh" on IDW at this point in time for various reasons...and I'm perfectly okay with that. I still enjoy the current Titans Return line and many new movie toys. There is something for everyone in this brand.

    If I don't like the next Transformers film or two, that's just the way it works. I will give every Transformers film or show a shot and an open mind.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  12. figsdad

    figsdad Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2009
    Posts:
    2,584
    News Credits:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    312
    Likes:
    +749
    We dont need a reboot just need to get rid of Bay and co.. And have a new Director and new designs to get it back on track.. Less Army and Humans killing Bots and Cons.. And let the Bots and cons kill each other with a fight....
     
  13. AnnoyedRobot

    AnnoyedRobot Hiatus from 3D print design. Need bigger monitor.

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2015
    Posts:
    944
    Trophy Points:
    172
    Location:
    my Secret Introversion Hideout
    Likes:
    +1,061
    Hey, maybe the next movie will actually be good-- I\'m wasting my time wishing this, aren\'t I?
     
    • Like Like x 4
  14. spikebuster

    spikebuster Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2008
    Posts:
    2,773
    News Credits:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    307
    Likes:
    +2,230
    All I really care about are the designs. If they keep the same designs or at least use a similar design I'm in. If it's a 100% redesign, I'm out.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  15. Jumacas

    Jumacas Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2010
    Posts:
    345
    News Credits:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    142
    Likes:
    +563
    That's also something I don't understand. "Transformers is juvenile"... And something like Guardians of the Galaxy, or anything Marvel puts out really, or Star Wars, or Star Trek aren't? Anything sci-fi is more or less absurd in its premise. Why does only Transformers, again, being looked down upon? Maybe because the creators of the movies look down upon it themselves.

    Why is it a bad thing to be, or to strive a bit to be taken seriously as a franchise? And by that I don't mean "be all serious all the time" of course, but be respected and embraced by adults as well as children.
     
    • Like Like x 4
  16. Anti Spark

    Anti Spark It'S DUB Or Nothing!

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2002
    Posts:
    2,744
    News Credits:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    312
    Likes:
    +476
    Finally reboot.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  17. bumblebeej8

    bumblebeej8 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2014
    Posts:
    9,621
    News Credits:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    252
    Likes:
    +1,382
    So Bumblebee pissing on someone is creative, or sexualizing (almost) every female character thought provoking? How about Grimlock acting like a dog in the most recent outing or the racist twins?

    Also saying these films have anything below the surface level of what is said in the films is saying too much praise. Michael Bay knows it himself. He comes up with cool action scenes and then comes up with a story for why that happened. It happened with the second film (it was stated in an interview of some of the writers of the film) and it probably happened after that too. Also you mentioned forgiveness in these films, and that is in direct opposition of pretty much every character in the films. I’m pretty sure the only character who you can argue is forgiving is Bumblebee, as he kind of kind of not likes humans.

    The bay verse is unoriginal and uninspired. The only two unique choices that actually make sense are Ironhide being a pick up truck with his cannons and Barricade being a police car (I also like the Evasion Mode Optimus toy, it’s one I still got to get).

    If you were to say that the visuals were great and that’s why it’s a marvel I would agree. For the most part they are amazing. But the storytelling is such a big waste of mostly great ideas.

    G1 may be for kids but at least the designs are interesting to look at. The movie designs 95% of the time are garbage. The stories in G1 are executed so much better than in the films, even if they are cheesy (disclaimer: I’m not saying G1 doesn’t have some of the same issues, they also lack a lot of necessary character development and depth that the movies do, just that in terms of originality and the ability to get most people that watch to give somewhat of a crap is something that the movies generally don’t provide)

    Anyways....

    I hope this change isn’t something stupid. But tbh I think it’s literally what it says, it’s a new story. It doesn’t specify new characters or anything. Just it’s a new story. Hasbro is just kickstarting the TFCU I doubt that they would suddenly reboot unless if Bumblebee is completely unsuccessful, and by then this film would have already finished filming.

    Like others have mentioned I’m guessing it’s that prequel film. They’ve talked about it enough where it would make sense for it to be that film. Part of me actually hopes it’s that film. It might not be the best option for a completely new story but you can really go anywhere with a prequel up to the point of where the characters started when they were first properly introduced. It will probably have a lot of issues if run by the same producers, but it probably won’t be as bad as ROTF.
     
    • Like Like x 6
  18. figsdad

    figsdad Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2009
    Posts:
    2,584
    News Credits:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    312
    Likes:
    +749
    We wont get a Reboot. Get over it....
     
    • Like Like x 4
  19. Jazz210

    Jazz210 Est.2011

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Posts:
    4,595
    News Credits:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    262
    Location:
    Autobot City, San Antonio,Tx
    Likes:
    +2,139
    Ebay:
    The only new Real storyline that i could possibly believe is that its an actual transformers movie and hasbro has its own cgi company behind it
    On another note could we possibly get a "thumbs down" when u dont like a comment?
     
    • Like Like x 1
  20. SPLIT LIP

    SPLIT LIP Be strong enough to be gentle

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2005
    Posts:
    97,975
    News Credits:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    462
    Location:
    agile house
    Likes:
    +100,139
    Instagram:
    I hope it's a reboot, or a "soft-reboot" that's not so soft. I want something different, and hopefully better.

    I've never been anti-TF movies, but I've said it a million times: I'm ready for the next take. TF07 was so exciting because it was a brand new look, the first life-action take in a fresh and unique style. I want that anticipation again, that freshness. I've gotten my fill of this aesthetic and story, and I don't regret it one bit. But I'm ready to move on to something new as I've been doing with every new series since BW. The way I did when TF07 first came out.
     
    • Like Like x 10