Lol ever since ROTF, I've had this image of Prime sitting in his office with a big face collection on the wall behind him. And every now & then he likes to wear one...

 

What annoys me if that Hasbro think this is a "connected universe"
No, it's just a normal franchise and Bumblee is just a normal prequel.
But everything has to be marketed as "extended"

Marvel are impressive behind the scenes for the way they get out two/three movies a year, however to manage this they give the director/dop no freedom and use crappy simplistic scores. This contributes heavily to most of their films being OK/average.

It'd take quality over quantity. Wonder Woman was better than all of their movies imo.

 

Just saw WW this afternoon... she is a character I know absolutely nothing about and have no connection to whatsoever, and I walked out of the theater thinking she's the ultimate badass. WW was a tremendous film.

The number of talented writers and directors currently working in Hollywood is staggering, and the industry has left Michael Bay in the dust.

 

This.
I'm a bigger fans of Transformers than I'll ever be of Marvel.
But the TF movies are bad films; there is no getting around that.

As an audience I demand a better quality of film which Transformers has failed to do time, and time again.

 

Because of a man called Bay.

 

and lorenzo and paramount and even hasbro.

sigh they need to get rid of so many factors.

 

True, and that joke is a much bigger sex-joke than the ones we have seen in Bayformers. They even named the you-know-what a couple of times in less than a minute.

Anyway, the Transformers movies have much more screentime to CGI-characters without human distraction than any of the Marvel movies does. So yes, I am tired of the comparisons, as it sometimes sounds like they are pushing for less TF screentime. After all, that is what Marvel is; Humans front and center.

 

A bigger sex joke than parents talking about masturbation, dogs humping, a robot humping a woman's leg, being underneath the enemy's scrotum, a guy name "Deep Wang" talking to you with his pants off in a bathroom stall, carrying a laminated law that allows you to have sex with a 17 year old, and your mother discussing with her friends whether you are into BDSM?

And it should be noted GOTG 2's jokes were often cited as one of it's weaker aspects and a reason why it wasn't as good as the first film.

When people compare Marvel to the Bay movies, they are not saying that all the Marvel movies are pure perfection. They are saying that in general the MCU has better story, characters, pacing, and editing than the TF films. The worst MCU movie is still arguably better than the best TF movie. Whether it's more enjoyable, however, is completely subjective.

 

In the movie Marvel animated direct-to-DVD the avengeers heroes of tomorrow, the robot who represent Black Panther transform into a panther who looks like with Ravage.

 

Yes, as those never use any sexual name for a sex-organ several times during one minute, about a planet being laid of all things. Yupp, that is precisely what happened in GOTG2.

 

Honestly I always thought that Bayformers more mature/teenager-like tone was much better than Marvel and their politics of being Disney-childlike aka no sex no brutal action no bad words ecc... Between childlish humour and teenage humour I prefer the later

 

The MCU is still overall more child-friendly than the TF films. Which isn't saying much since they're both PG-13 films. The former kinda has an excuse for more raunchy humor since comics have been geared toward teens and adults for a while now. With Transformers, the franchise overall it still largely made to sell toys to children which makes the constant and overlong sex jokes in the films kind of awkward. Which brings me to my main problem with them...

Childish humor can be annoying (to bring back GOTG 2, the turd joke was cringey). With teenage humor, if it's not done right, it can be pretty bad and dated. Devastator's balls and Wheelie humping Mikaela's leg was hilarious when I was 11 because of the taboo factor, but now it just reeks of middle school edginess. It doesn't help that Bay simply does not know when to end a joke. The talisman getting into Cade's pants was drawn out way to long to give an example. It's part of the reason why the films can be 2 hours plus but still fail to have proper robot screen time and a story that makes sense. The jokes just take up too much of the runtime.

 

Well, the TF live-action movies are for teens and up.

Either way, I mean the sex-jokes in GOTG2 are more gringeworthy than those in Bayformers, going back to my example: Saying the scientific correct name for the male genitalia several times, and even shouting it out, in less than a minute while talking about how a planet can have sex with numerous alien women is seriously bad.

So yeah, sex-jokes are not a Bay thing only. Thus new director might not change those.

Anyway, to the topic; TF is best not being like Marvel. I believe the mess we get in the movies and the bigger focus on humans is because they are trying the Marvel route. So yeah, comparing to Marvel can make TF worse.

 

i also dont think its an equal comparison to compare tf to the mcu or even the ff movies since the tf movies have an abundant amount of cgi characters that are integral to the storyline...imagine if the ff crew was all cgi or if all of the avengers (& pretty much all the villains) had to be cgi & not just hulk...

they are really not in the same genre really....they are all action movies, yes, but they are different slices of action...marvel is a comic book movie first & foremost...fast & furious' primary genre is action i would say...transformers...there's a toy-movie genre but thats a very niche category at the moment so i would say, if you were to label it something first, like "action-adventure or crime-drama" for example, i would say transformers movies fall under sci-fi as their primary genre..sci-fi action

so you have:
comic-book/action
action/thriller
sci-fi/action

also we are comparing an extended universe against a more traditional singular universe focused story, at least that's how it was originally devised

its like saying, alright what's better, an iphone? a flip phone? or a rotary?

 

I get ya. To each his own I guess.

But like I said before, when these movies are compare to Marvel, it's not about focusing on humans or making a cinematic universe. It's about plot, characters, continuity, and pacing being better. The movies trying to start a cinematic universe without fixing those aspects is the reason the TLK failed. The DCEU learned this the hard way with two stinkers last year and is righting the ship through Wonder Woman and they had (hopefully) learn what they did wrong before. The TF movies needed to do the same before they even think of doing a cinematic universe.

 

While there is an argument to be made for dividing films into smaller and smaller subcategories I wonder if that is really needed. We could take big budget action films and then say okay we are going to split off comic book movies. Out of comic book movies split off superhero movies. From that you could split between Marvel, DC, and the independents. Then you split between things like super powered or mutant. Really no end to how many hairs that could be split to make smaller and smaller groups.

But big picture I think massive budget tent pole action film is enough. Spider Man has super powers and Batman does not but they still need to tick off the same basic boxes to make it a movie you can enjoy. You need to like Spider Man in his hero persona and his Peter Parker persona just like you need to like both Batman's hero persona and his Bruce Wane persona. They both need to be surrounded by interesting characters so you aren't bored with Peter and Ned time or Bruce and Alfred time. Both need villains that feel like something worth fighting. The fight between the hero and the villain needs to be exciting even though you know the hero is going to win. When the end credits roll you need to feel like you can't wait for the next movie.

Yes Transformers is at a bit of a disadvantage because the production team chose designs they can barely afford to use. But even in the superhero movies it's not the hero and CGI action 100% of the time. Wonder Woman is great but you have to care at least a little bit about all the characters who aren't demi-gods to enjoy the movie. If you don't like Aunt May and Peter Parker's schoolmates then you are in for a long rough film. The Dark Knight doesn't work well if you don't care about the people the Joker could hurt.

While they are wildly different in many superficial ways I can enjoy something like The Incredibles and Logan for the same basic building block reasons even though one is a light hearted cartoon and the other one is some pretty heavy live action stuff. I don't feel like I can only compare Dunkirk to other war movies with a British point of view during World War II.

The problems with Transformers seem to be at the building block level so if we wanted to we could compare Transformers to Deadpool or even Transformers to the Planet of the Apes series. It doesn't have to be limited to things like car stunts in Transformers vs car stunts in the Fast films.