Thanks for the clarification. My original quote is somewhat vague.

 

I wish everyone knew that   Everyone on this forum is on the same side, we're all here for Transformers, we just have differences in opinion of what is good or not.

 

I wanted to quote this because it is the truth, and I think way too many of us take Transformers far more seriously than it should be taken. I love Transformers; I'm even passionate about it. However, Transformers should have silly or goofy moments. It should have elements that aren't realistic. It's fine to not like things, but NOTHING Transformers should make us angry or pissed. We're talking about a brand that has featured Rumble turning into a tree, time travel to medieval times where Rumble collected a bunch of birtd crap, Dinobot Island, Perceptor turning into a relatively tiny microscope, Shadow Parasites, and Rhinox farting. And yet, people get enraged over toys and media based on them, as if they can never be satisfied or as if the very existence of a film or show is some abomination against Transformers.

 

I know Bay's doing post on Turtles right now, and press for 13 Hours, but he comes across as being kind of "over" TFs here:

Michael Bay on Transformers 5, Spinoffs, and 13 Hours | Collider

I guess a lot of us would be after 10+ years.

All arguments aside, it feels like it'd be best for everyone if someone else helmed one. Hell if it was that much worse performing, you could always go back to him and hype the hell out of the reteam for #6.

 

My problem with the films were the characterless characters (Marvel has a talking tree with a very limited vocabulary that has more personality than most of the cast of all four Transformers films) , the toilet humour, a Fallen who thought he was Palpatine, really bad writing, awful dialogue, characters who did have potential being barely introduced and suddenly killed off, writers who admitted they weren't too bothered about plot discrepancies and were basically just putting stuff in because they thought it was cool (basically 'Who cares, it's just a dumb movie'.), a Witwicky who seemed to run around screaming all over the place (I don't know any kids who'd want to be Sam), the Twins.......I'll stop there.

I didn't really have a problem with extra-violent Optimus - it's a big TF multiverse, there's even a Shattered Glass version of the character. I was even fine with Bumblebee, even though I genuinely suspect the beeping was due the writers not wanting to take on the challenge of writing dialogue for the hero's best robotic friend.

What I also found disappointing was that there was far better writing in the TV series' and even the comics . I was expecting something on that level for the movies. Instead we got something very different. When the makers of a Transformers movie refer to Brawl as Devastator, that's a bad sign.

I will say that the last Transformers movie was my favourite. There was less of Bay's 'trademark humor'. The Autobots did have personalities, this time, even if Drift was something of a caricature. I actually liked the human characters better, as well. There were still things that didn't seem to make sense, but then again they weren't supposed to.

I am really hoping that Hasbro's Writing Room makes a difference (there are some pretty competent writers in there). Michael Bay is good at what he does, and hopefully he should have better material to work with this time.

Perhaps, I'm being unreasonable, but when it comes to the Transformers movies, I want something better, and I won't accept that it can't be done.