I don't think they'd refit the ship to make it look so drastically different. It should still look like an Intrepid Class starship at least. Actually, I saw a small picture of a refitted Voyager not long ago I think is intended for the new look in the novels, let me see if I can find it... Here it is.
Two diffrent things. The design of a ship is usally to fulfil a role, I.E. Heavy Cruiser. Then the first ship of that design is usally the name sake of said line. I.E. USS Consititution, Heavy Cruiser, first of the Constitution line. So while a dreadnought class ship, The USS Vengeance was the first of the Vengeance line of dreadnoughts.
Yes I suppose you right they do refer to them by mission role don't they like Science Class vessel doens not mean there was a USS Science It looks like I was not that far off the Voyager has the "slipsteam look" now ; Like the super Aventine does : http://www.thetrekcollective.com/2011/09/aventine-indulgence.html The guy who's making the official mesh is taking his time but I suspect the final look will be much like this for "Full Circle" Voyager : http://hydra-images.cursecdn.com/sto.gamepedia.com/e/e7/Long_Range_Science_Vessel_Refit.jpg I can see why so many wonder how much effort it would take to slipstream update the Enterprise E she's so simialr to them but she might need either better control software or a new saucer and tweaked engines and things covered up a bit... which is perhaps why so many of the fan ship look like a sleaker Sovereign class vessel. Vertical Nacelles seem to be the new Black too : http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KnpIPhbfp...AeXZ23b6Z0/s1600/Mark+Rademaker+USS+Curie.jpg Oh and I'll Leave this here (laugh) : http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gIQf2ToXX...2+IDW+Limited+JK+Woodward+The+Master+Khan.jpg
Don't know about you guys but I haven't been this eager to own a movie on home video since The Avengers. Can't wait for the blu-ray release!
I noticed the pre-order thing for the blu-ray/DVD/digital copy combo pack at Walmart the other night. Comes with a blu-ray copy of the '09 movie. I'm definitely going to have to buy it the next time I'm out at Walmart. It's just twenty-five bucks, so it's worth it.
I wonder if there will be any special packaging this time? The previous Trek DVD still stands as my favorite special packaging ever. Would be awesome if this one came packaged in the Vengeance.
That would be awesome from Target again but Target seems to come out with cheap special edition packaging lately.
Well, not special packaging per se, but there is a limited release blu-ray set with a phaser included: Amazon.com: Star Trek Into Darkness Starfleet Phaser Limited Edition Gift Set (Blu-ray 3D Combo Pack): Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Zoe Saldana, Benedict Cumberbatch, Alice Eve, Karl Urban, Simon Pegg, Leonard Nimoy, Anton Yelchin, John Cho, Peter Wel
Finally saw it today. I found it utterly predictable and poorly written, especially the second half of the film. A few things that stuck with me: The "Who are you?" "Khan." scene doesn't really work. If you're familiar with Star Trek, you'd have likely figured this out by this point. If you're not familiar with Star Trek lore, this reveal doesn't have any dramatic effect (even with the musical cue). Really, this only works for people who are sort of familiar with the source material but are kind of slow and missed all spoilers. Same with "Dreadnought Class" "What are you doing with that Tribble?" "I'm just SETTING UP AN OBVIOUS PLOT POINT/DEUS EX MACHINA." Speaking of deus ex machina, it would have been far more interesting to show how Kirk handles the no win situation differently rather than it be about how they bring him back to life differently. I get that Nero's presence and the technology he brings change the look of Starfleet. I don't get how his corruption of the timeline changes Klingon evolution. A ship knocks down half the buildings at Starfleet and everyone immediately goes back to walking around like it's an average Tuesday in San Francisco. (In their defense, I waited this long to see the movie. Those buildings have been knocked down for twelve showings a day for the past four weeks, so they're probably used to it.)
I guess I'm one of those slow people. I really expected a John Harrison right until they mentioned the number of torpedoes, and even then I kept telling myself it was just a homage or a red herring. I really never expected them to play it straight. We've already got a heavy does of how Kirk handles the no win scenario in Wrath of Khan. It's still examined here, and his response is to sacrifice himself. At least now we see Spock's reaction. The same way Klingons inexplicably changed in The Motion Picture. I think it's less aesthetically jarring anyway compared to TMP's huge difference. A year had passed since the tragedy and clearly they haven't gotten used to it, that's why they had a memorial on the first year anniversary. The incident taught Starfleet to look beyond petty violence and revenge and to focus on the theme of bettering mankind Star Trek always had.
They just replaced Kirk with Spock and shot the same movie. Sorry, I should have said "next shot" rather than "next scene." When Spock is chasing Khan right after he drops into the crowd, the next couple of crowd shots show people in the same area going about their day. Maybe they're all just in shock.
Hmm, interesting point. I didn't notice it the first time round but if that's the case it might be a bit conspicuous indeed. I'll have to wait to rewatch it.
To drift back to Full Circle again I found some comments by the chap designing the Voyager Refit that states the reason it's taking so long to finish is they decided to make the refit Intrepid class able to saucer separate... so he had to shoe on a couple more engines and a second shuttle bay on the back of the primary hull he didn't expect to need to add. and yes it does have immovable nacelles now. It got me thinking though the saucer (triangle) looks like it's quite suited to planetary landing and take off as it's the perfect shape for it, but I also wondered if theres's a pop up mini-nacelle on the top like some advanced ships have. Such a advancement would be an ideal upgrade for a Galaxy Class refit too. I really like the whole idea that any ship we think we know well can get an upgrade that we simply have not seen on TV - so you can have a Ambassador class refit with a Galaxy Class chin on the engineering deck and longer prettier nacelles, or Excelsior class with mods to more easily enable saucer separation (I suspect this Enterprise B has them already). Or as mentioned in passing before the NX with a extra section put on it. (it's in the ships of the line calendar) : http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/dgclaws/NX01refit.jpg http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/daedalus02/Starships/nx01_refit_diagram_r01lo.jpg http://www.modelermagic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/KG_DD_SM_NX-01_REFIT-008.jpg [Game image] : http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4139/4751771122_c5122499a0_z.jpg I wonder if there's any NX Enterprise refit class vessels (like Archer's Enterprise only with a engineering deck bolted on) still in use or a Nu-Trek version of the Deadlus class (I.e something with a sphere instead of a Saucer) ? Few more random ships : http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/daedalus02/Starships/Valkyria-class.jpg And an animated ships of the line video is on this page : The Trek Collective: September 2011 Which includes a launch of the NX Enterprise refit... I look forward to seeing some screen shots of the other ships in the background when the Bluray is available to grab them. unless they hurry up and do an art book or an extras documentary on them.
Went to see the movie yesterday. Had a free ticket for a movie valid until yesterday and we couldn’t decide which one it was going to be. I wasn’t too keen on going for Star Trek, but since it had to be a 3D movie we finally decided on Star Trek. The 2009 movie I found to be…mediocre at best. I enjoyed the freshness of it and especially after the increasingly stale TNG movies (after FC) this was a breath of fresh air. It was also a good action movie. However, I found the bad guy to be uninteresting (excellent in the comics, but tedious in the movie), where Star Trek continuity was still valid it was completely ignored (partly because it had to because of the plot), all the science in the movie was a joke and made clear that the writers don’t know shit about science and how things work in space, and too often I found the plot to be…well, things happen because they have to happen for the story and you have to live with it that it doesn’t make sense. So, the second movie. I enjoyed it more than the first, but still I come to: not bad, but not good. The plot was a lot like the first movie: again, things happen and people react. In the beginning Khan seems to have a plan, but apparently after his second strike this plan is over and he’s just meandering along, reacting to opportunities that just happen to come along. There’s no sense of him having a big plan, which is strange because he’s supposed to be a (strategic) genius who wants revenge on Starfleet and his former boss, Admiral Marcus. Actually, the one with something of a plan is admiral Marcus, but after putting things in motion he too seems to be reacting and not planning. And most of his plans are shortsighted at best. We've seen his role of an admiral preparing for a war he thinks is coming and thus initiating it, better played in for example DS-9 and ST-VI. This lack of clear plot or plan from Khan, the (alleged) antagonist, but also from Marcus, results in several scenes being completely redundant. For example the whole scene on Kronos. Outside of a lot of action, we don’t get anything from it. You could replace the entire Kronos scene with Khan contacted the Enterprise, asking how many torpedoes they have and subsequently surrendering and beaming aboard the Enterprise. Actually, I think that would work even better since it would make him more quietly menacing. (Also, Kronos is the center of the Klingon empire. Like Earth there are suspicious few starships to prevent this capital. A mistake made rather often because it's plot convenient.) Because the movie itself clearly references Wrath of Khan I can’t help but do the same. Wrath was an intelligent movie with for its time plenty of action. Referencing great works of literature (Khan actively follows Moby Dick, while the movie seems to be based on Paradise Lost (the story of Satan’s (Khan) rebellion against God (Kirk) and his failure, against the creation (Genesis device)), the movie tells a story about Kirk coming to grips with growing older, death and the no-win scenario. I miss all that in this movie. Actually, I completely miss a theme in this movie; an issue I also had with the 2009 movie. The first ten ST movies all worked around a theme about humanity and human traits. I can’t find that in the two Abrams movies. There’s a lot of referencing the friendship between Kirk & Spock, but to be honest this comes to me across as more of ‘they have to be because they always were’; I don’t really see why these two are friends. The death scene is an attempt to turn things around: originally Spock jumpstarted the engines and died, now it’s Kirk. Okay, fun. But...with Wrath of Khan you got the impression that Spock was dead. Really, really dead and the movie ended with him dead -- but with a possibility to revive if they so wanted (originally not part of the story: Nimoy wanted out but regretted his decision while previews showed people disliked the bleak ending). With the new movie I don’t buy for a second that Kirk was really dead. I thought he was either going to survive or they were going to use Khan’s blood to bring him back. (The whole blood thing was too much of a Chekov’s gun.) Unlike the 2009 movie where they deliberately ignored established Trek background even when it was relevant because the plot needed it ignored, they crammed it in here and mostly incorrect. For example a blown up Praxis decades before this happened even though in this universe there doesn’t seem to be the reason for it to happen, but also the misuse of section 31, a top secret organisation outside of Starfleet known to very few people and operating without any structure or headquarters, now a massive organisation within Starfleet. Great they included references, but I like them more subtle like the model starships which were all correct. And then there’s the science. My biggest gripe with the 2009 movie where every science mentioned was wrong and space dynamics were inconsistent and incorrect. This movie fortunately had far less science in it. But what they had was again wrong. This started at the beginning (a single Vulcano eruption destroys all life on a planet???), but it seriously tarnished the end part of the movie where the Enterprise and the other ship drop out of Warp at a distance of 325,000 km from Earth. Very correctly, they fight against the backdrop of the moon (distance roughly 450,000 km -- although there’s a lot of space surround the Earth without the moon in it) but then, even though they don’t have engines (it’s part of the plot) after the fight the Enterprise plummets in mere minutes to the Earth. WTF !!!! If you’re 300,000+ km from Earth then you don’t fall back to Earth. The moon, perhaps, but not to the Earth. Earth’s gravity is too minor at that point. If they hadn’t been near the moon and if they had gotten a small push, then yes they could eventually have reached Earth -- but the chances are extremely slim (space is after all pretty big). And even then, it took the Apollo capsule 3 days to reach Earth and that was with working propulsion (only used to get a boost). Conclusion: in the end we still have an entertaining action movie with plenty of good looking scenes. The movie still feels very alive with actors who are still fresh to this. There’s also a lot of potential in the story, but I never get the impression the potential is ever realised. In the beginning the antagonist clearly has a plan…and then it’s over and everybody’s meandering through the story. The characters and their drives, the most important part of any story, is again lacking. We get some glimpses into what makes them work, but since they’re constantly reacting and not planning, they come across weaker than they should be. In the end I like this movie better than the 2009 movie, but it’s still nothing more than an average movie. Not bad, but not good. I’d give it 6/10
If the volcano's eruption was violent enough, it could cause a volcanic winter that potentially could kill everything on that planet, so I don't see the science being much of a stretch there. But I totally agree with your point about the Enterprise falling to Earth so quickly due to gravity. There is just no way Earth's gravity could have that much influence on the Enterprise given how far away it was at the time.
^a volcanic winter is most likely what they were going for. It's a risk we still run on Earth even today (isn't Yellowstone park the current biggest threat?). However, after a few seconds thinking about it I realised there's no way that can work with that single vulcano shown. Just not big enough. There have been many big eruption in human history and the effects on the climate causing volcanic winters. For it to be a big enough eruption to cause a vulcanic winter that will wipe out all life on the planet...you'd probably need to have a chain of similar vulcanoes all erupting at the same time. (Unless of course the planets entire population is that one tribe Kirk was fleeing from. But in that case the genetic sample is too small to survive.) Since everything on the planet was red it could be that the planet was circling a red dwarfstar. The feeble light from that star could be completely blocked by the increased albedo of the volcanic winter. But still, all life dying out... is stretching it.
The size of the volcano's cone isn't necessarily going to be an indication of how powerful an eruption it could potentially produce. For example, Hawaii's Mauna Loa is the largest volcano on Earth, but being a shield-volcano, it doesn't produce very violent eruptions. How violent an eruption is depends more on the size of the magma pool under the volcano and the pressure that builds up. A single volcano is theoretically capable of producing an eruption large enough to cause a volcanic winter to end all life, but it would have to be a super-volcanic eruption.
Maybe the other ship had given her a big nudge with tractors or weapons... and pushed her into the planet.
I don't think that would have been possible. The Vengeance had been crippled between Scotty's sabotage and then the torpedoes exploding in the engineering section, so I don't see how it could have nudged the Enterprise before they'd said they were 'caught in Earths gravity'.
