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Old 11-07-2009, 04:33 PM   #11
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Do you think Ben Linus from LOST qualifies as a Villain Protagonist?
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Old 11-07-2009, 06:41 PM   #12
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Sweeny Todd, and yeah, read Macbeth. Very good story.
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Old 11-07-2009, 10:04 PM   #13
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does tyler durden count?
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Old 11-07-2009, 10:06 PM   #14
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Vader really isn't a good example. I can see the argument, but I don't agree with it.

By the way, if the OP has read the TV Tropes article, how many more examples does he need?
Pretty much.

I think anyone arguing Vader has a very thin ice arguement at best. He's a Hero until Palpatine moves the switch on his back from Good to Evil, then he's unrepentantly evil until Luke at the last second gets him to switch back. Add in that he's not any kind of protagonist in the original trilogy and you don't have much of an arguement.

The TV Tropes has all the examples I can think of, with the best (IMHO) being Dr. Horrible and obviously The Tragedy of MacBeth.

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Verbal Kint in The Usual Suspects might be a good example of a villain protagonist


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Old 11-08-2009, 12:23 PM   #17
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Riddick from The Chronicles of Riddick series probably qualifies.

If we can expand the search parameters to include comic books, I would say that Catwoman, the current incarnation of the Secret Six, and Deathstroke the Terminator (back when he still had his own title) from DC and the original Thunderbolts from Marvel also count.
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Old 11-08-2009, 06:18 PM   #20
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Do you think Ben Linus from LOST qualifies as a Villain Protagonist?
No, because very little of the series actually focuses on him as the main character.

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Verbal Kint in The Usual Suspects might be a good example of a villain protagonist
Oooh, tough call. By the end of the film we know that he is actually the villain and has been the whole time, but we also know by then that his entire story is suspect, and very likely lies. And in that story, although he's a protagonist, he's not a villain, more a tragic figure.

Be careful in which characters you choose, because there's a fine line between a Villain Protagonist (The VILLAIN, who is the MAIN CHARACTER of the story) and an anti-hero (A HERO, who does EVIL THINGS in order to succeed).

You'll also likely find that even the worst Villain Protagonists are going to have redeeming qualities and a heavy dose of pathos, otherwise the audience wouldn't be able to support them, identify with them, or want to see anything but their downfall.

Off the top of my head, some other Villain Protagonists would be...

Alex from A Clockwork Orange
Jekyll/Hyde in Dr Jekyll and Mr. Hyde
The Invisible Man in The Invisible Man
Lestat in Interview with The Vampire

Thats all I can think of for now. There's probably a bunch of other great examples in classical literature that I'm forgetting right now, but MacBeth is a very good case to work with.


Edit: Remembered a couple more.

Fantomas from the works of Allain et Souvestre
Grimly Feendish from the old British WHAM! comics
Hannibal from Hannibal Rising

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