I'm not talking about the real life changes they had to make. I'm talking about things like having a viewscreen as an actual window, or giving the Kelvin a crew of 800 when TOS Enterprise only had around 430, or the Captain wearing a blue uniform rather than gold or red.... Stuff like that was completely creative decisions on the filmmakers part.

That's not the point I'm making. There are things about its design that doesn't match up with any known Prime universe Starfleet ship.

 

Actually I don't agree with that, the discrepancies are just to great. Simon Pegg disagrees with that as well.

I don't even believe the Narada is a prime universe ship.

Star Trek Beyond: Simon Pegg's Canon Explanation For Gay Sulu

 

Aside from those mentioned check the tos episode "Court-martial " .... The one where Kirk is on trial at a space station

at the bar Kirk and counters old classmates that are serving on different ships ..... if you look at those crew members uniforms you will see that they are wearing the same delta as the enterprise crew

 

May I ask why you posted that article?

It in no way supports the idea that the Narada was not from the prime universe
In fact in saying Spock from the prime universe made an incursion in time pretty much officiates that the Narada is certainly from the prime universe

 

The article is where I found the Pegg quote.

 

to be fair we have no cannon source for ships from that era before That film was released

So maybe the Kelvin was testing that view screen tech....as for the number of crew two suggestions come to mind

1. We don't know what kind of a nation that shit was hi we don't know what kind of a nation that ship was on...maybe it was transporting colonists to a new world

2. Did they ever say all 800 lives saved where on the one ship? Maybe the Kelvin was part of a convoy of ships and was the one sent to investigate the strange event

we have seen evidence from the original series of a captain wearing a blue uniform

 

I know but that quote does not suggest the Narada is not from the prime universe

 

I never said it did.

 

Sorry that I misunderstood you

 

You mean like how in TMP command was a blue-gray? Or how in the rest of the TOS movies it was white? And no where in TOS does it state that the constitution class was the biggest starfleet vessels? In fact all supplementary fiction states they weren't, most advanced maybe. The Kelvin was simple the first hard cannon ship that was bigger than the constitution class.

Like we saw all of them. And the Kelvin does match up with Prime universe design. It's clear they were going with a bridging aesthetic between Enterprise and TOS. It's bridge looks like some sort of half way point between the two.

Which assumes a binary sexual orientation. There no evidence of that in either Prime timeline or Kelvin timeline.

 

It's not a bridge between the two. There is no examples of other ships having windows for viewscreens.

That's not the point. The point is Simon Pegg can justify changing events that would be pre-timeline split by saying everything was changed.

 

I think that's very unlikely. Every Starfleet ship we've ever seen in the Prime universe wasn't designed that way. Even the NX-01. It doesn't make sense they'd suddenly go backwards in terms of technology.

I'm not sure what you mean by what kind of a nation it was from... It was a Federation Starship, from Earth on a mission of exploration like most Starfleet vessels are. It wasn't a colony ship. And yes, it was mentioned on screen that the ship had 800 people on board.

When?

The TOS films obviously changed up the uniforms and basically did away with the divisions colors. But that's the exception rather than the rule. During the Kelvin era, clearly they still had the division colors. Yet the Captain stands out wearing a blue uniform, which goes against what we've seen in terms of the division colors. And I never said that the Constitution class was the biggest ship. The filmmakers up-scaled ALL of the ships for the reboot. Even the Enterprise is much larger than it was in the Prime universe.

Like CKPRIME said, it's not the bridge of aesthetics at all. There is no example in the Prime universe of a Starfleet ship designed that way.

 

I mentioned this in another thread sometime ago

There's at least one example from the original series that shows Kirks enterprises you screen also functioning like a window

 

from what I remember they went backwards Tech Wise with the view screen in the film nemesis from what was seen on the enterprise is before

The enterprise e was seem to have a holographic view screen in previous films but by nemesis had a stand screen

sorry typo

I was saying we don't know what kind of mission the Kelvin was on..

And no they never said the ship was definitely on an exploration mission

Also no they never said all 800 lives saved were on one ship

They said George Kirk saved 800 lives that day and that's it so there may have been other ships

Same original series episode I mentioned before "court-martial "

 

They almost always act like windows. It's clearly not the same thing, you can see through the window/veiwscreen in the JJ verse. The bridge on every other Enterprise is completely solid.

 

Maybe I wasn't clear

Yes those inside it always could see outside through the view screen, but there is one example from the original series of someone looking from the outside in To the bridge

 

I've concluded that the JJverse / Kelvinverse is not the Prime verse changed; I think it's another parallel dimension- like the mirror universe- altogether.

Or that the current movie verse is completely unrelated to the continuity we previously had, starting with TOS and ending with Nemesis.

 

What episode?

 

I've concluded that there isn't enough solid evidence to prove either case

 

That's what I think as well. I don't even think old Spock came from the prime universe.