We're doing this? *sigh* Okay. Yes, this show might end up on TV, especially in a late night slot on either fox or teletoon, as The bar for these has been unbelievably low as of late. I think it's unlikely it would end up on animation domination, at least right now, because they've been developing their own shows from concepts, not adapting webseries. Golan the Insatiable started as a series of web articles, the professor brothers started as kind of a comedy routine, etc. etc. Aside from this, your response is irrelevant to what I said. No, it isn't. Nowhere do they say this is an animatic or a roughcut. If anything, they imply quite the opposite. When you have a trailer, you want to show how good you are, not tease people with your b or c list material, because you want to show people what you can do and win them over. That's why people complain about trailers giving away too much. They showed just enough to get YOU hooked, and going by the rest of the thread, no one else. Seriously, stop. It would be so easy for you to just say "well, okay, I get what you're saying guys. I'm still going to give this show a chance. Have a good one!" instead of digging yourself deeper, over and over and over. Just... Stop.
I hate to say it. I mean I really hate to say it, but I think a big reason this show is getting a lot of backlash (not just on here but the internet in general) is due to certain issues this show brings up; namely transphobia. People don't even want to knowledge what this show has set out to accomplish and instead turn to naysaying simply because the main character is trans and her voice actress is a trans-woman. No, the animation isn't the greatest (not nearly the worst either) but it's filled with laugh-out-loud comedy and has quirky characters. Why can't people give this show a chance before they make their opinion based on a show that they haven't even seen yet? Is it because they already have made their opinion based on some other reason?
I am only going to say this once. This is not a card you want to play. I strongly recommend you edit your post.
You're really gonna pull that card, aren't you? Except for the fact that I would like to see these actors in better productions, with comedy and stories put in the hands of competent writers. Maybe then I'd find some semblance of enjoyment out of this piece of crap. Damn right it's not. Johnny Test did better than this. Are you sure? I don't see anything. All I see are shoehorned in jokes concerning current events that don't have any shred of comedic decency. I watched the freaking trailer dude. And guess what? It sucks. I couldn't laugh even if you forced me too. Nope. I didn't even care for the lead character's sexual orientation. I was more concerned about whether I found it funny, and I left extremely disappointed.
Ugh, every joke in that trailer was incredibly cringe worthy. More stupid pop culture references than your average episode of Family Guy, all condensed into a stupid trailer. Like an above poster said, yeah, it's cool that Trans people are getting recognition in media, but it's not cool that the first one has to be in a crappy series like this. Why do you defend these topics so much, Zingos? the only thing you do is make people think you're shilling for the company that makes it.
You want to know why, yes, I get passionate about topics that are important or personal to me. Lootcrate was one of those things that held a personal significance to me, but I moved past it and dealt with my issues regarding that. Same could be said for animation in general, which I also received backlash on here for being a fan of TheMysteriousMrEnter, and now history repeats itself yet again with this show, for which the amount of negativity it's getting can only be contributed solely to one reason and one reason only and it's NOT the animation quality (if that was the case shows like South Park and Mr. Pickles would've been cancelled after episode 1). We haven't even seen Gen Zed yet so let's at least wait until an episode comes out before we pass judgment, until then we should remain positive about this show and give it the support of word of mouth that it deserves, and yes, it deserves.
Sorry Zingos, but with all due respect I didn't really care for the trailer or the humor in it. It felt extremely forced, and I echo statements by others that it was cringe worthy. It's not my cup of tea. If you enjoy it, then great, but not everyone enjoys the same shows. I didn't enjoy what I saw of Gen Zed. We don't all need to have the same tastes in everything.
Johnny Test is the definitive crap flash cartoon with no redeeming qualities whatsoever and that's the general consensus, not just my opinion. I guess comedy's subjective then because I was laughing during the whole thing. What exactly about it do you consider "cringe-worthy"? I don't see why that would even be an issue for you, and basically to anyone who has a problem with the fact that there's a trans character/VA for this show is exactly the reason WHY we need shows that feature trans people. It shouldn't even be an issue, it should just be normal.
Okay, no edit, no admission of wrongdoing, well, that makes this easy then. What exactly is your problem, Zingos? Like, I'm not going to try explaining precisely why your response is bullshit this time, instead I honestly want to tease out an idea of what's leading to you making godawful post after godawful post. You're a teenager, and that accounts for part of it, but even then, you're way behind the curve of even other teenaged members here in terms of positively contributing to discussion. I mean, I worked out the decline and eventual death of your threads into a simple checklist like... months ago, and it's remained disturbingly accurate, even in this one. Does that bother you? Does it bother you that so many of your threads go so poorly? Have you ever heard that phrase "if you meet one guy that tells you off in a day, he's an asshole, but if everyone tells you off in a day, chances are you're the asshole"? Here's the question it boils down to for me, do you actually READ what other people say in your threads? If so, do you expend the mental resources to actually understand and internalize what they say? Is that something you're capable of doing? Because, to be blunt, you come off like you have some kind of cognitive disability where the moment someone reacts to something you suggest with anything less than glowing praise, that rational thought kind of goes out the window for you. I'm not trying to be any more disrespectful than necessary here, this is honestly the impression I (and apparently others) are getting of you. Let's look at this thread as an example. You posted a trailer for a webseries that, frankly, looks pretty bad. When people explain why it is bad, you come back with off the wall explanations that are easily picked apart as the nonsense they are. Your next step is to imply that critics of the show must all be bigots, DESPITE the response from people in the thread (myself included), applauding this show, regardless of its quality, for being willing to do things independently and to give a voice (figuratively and literally) to a minority that doesn't often get a decent portrayal in media. So why is that? Do you honestly believe that we're bigots because we don't like something you don't like? Are you honestly that incapable of coming to terms with all the other issues we've seen with the show, that transphobia must be the reason we don't like it? Or is it that you've realized you can't tease out any other response to our critiques of the show, so you think that accusing us of bigotry is going to either shut us up or make us look bad so that you can "win" this argument? Are you honestly that petty and incapable of living in a world where people hold other opinions than your own about nigh-insignificant pop culture properties? I'm serious, I want to know what's going through your head when you post shit like that. If you want me to honestly tell you what *I* think your issues are and how you can fix them, I'll try, but for now, I want to know where you're coming from, because I frankly doubt you're even going to take anything in this post to heart. I mean, I'll level with you: I'm reporting your last two posts for a violation of Rule#1, and this thread is almost certainly going to get locked. But at the same time, you've got to get your shit in order, kid. The way you've been a member so far on these boards, it's not going to last. You're either going to have to change or get banned, and I honestly don't care which at this point. If you're an alt-id for a previously banned member or a shill as some have accused you of being, come clean, either publicly or privately to someone. There's people who are honestly trying to help you become a better person on this board, but shit kid, you're not cooperating with them.
I never said it was a good show at all. I just said that at least the animation done for Johnny Test was much better than this vomit. The comedy's about as "hilarious" as Seth MacFarlane. "Oh yeah, that edgy psychopath totally used Bill Cosby in a joke! That's so freakin' funny, I should get an award for this!" Laughing gas couldn't even make me crack a grin at this. It's THAT cringe-worthy. Because you apparently didn't get it the first time, let me rephrase my very last point: THE CHARACTER'S SEXUAL ORIENTATION DOES NOT FACTOR INTO MY ENJOYMENT OF THE SHOW. I would not give a flying shit if the main character/VA was straight, gay, trans, or any other sexuality. My two expectations for a good animated comedy are if the jokes can at least crack a grin out of me, and if the animation doesn't make me want to vomit, which this show fails to do both. If you're gonna go cherry-picking or completely avoid aspects of an opposing argument just to prove a point, then it's not me that has a problem. It's YOU that has a problem.
No it isn't. No it isn't. No it isn't. It's because the show looks legitimately awful. The animation reminds me of the Zelda CDI games. I think it's cool that it has a transgender person as a lead, but not cool enough to watch.
OK so before this thread gets locked I'm gonna go more detailed with my thoughts. Basically I agree with everything that everybody else has said. The jokes if you can call them that fail, it seems that most of these "jokes" will be pop culture references which I feel can be done right but not here, and the animation is poor. I have a strong feeling I will not like this show but as I have said I might give it a chance because there have been quite a few times I've seen a trailer that makes something good look bad. I'm hoping this show surprises me and turns out at least decent. And for the record it having a trans character/actress has absolutely NOTHING to do with my negative feelings toward this trailer. In fact I think it's awesome and it's why I want this to be good. Actually the Zelda CDI games had better animation.
Here's my problem. For like the third time on this forum this same progression happens: 1. I post a thread about something I think is interesting. 2. Everyone unproportionately gangs up on me and puts down whatever it is that interests me by telling me it's crap. 3. I try to defend my interest which causes... 4. everyone to attack me further and more viscously, accusing me of being a shill or a troll. 5. I get angrier. 6. They get the mods to close my thread. Here's an idea, if you don't like my threads, then don't post in them. Jesus. If you don't like Gen Zed you don't have to watch it, but I will and I'm allowed to and I'm allowed to like things even though you don't!
More like, 1. You post a thread about some show or service 2. People post valid criticisms of these things 3. You start blindly defending these things you claim to have no stake in 4. People begin to wonder why you're shilling these things so hard, when no rational person outside the project would 5. You get angry, start using strawmen, and try to paint the thing you're shilling as being something righteous 6. The mods close your thread because you're out-of-line I'm still relatively certain you work for a social advertising firm. What that is, for those unaware, is a company that other companies pay to stealth advertise for them. Their employees make accounts on message boards and social media, and these "plants" occasionally get assigned a new thing to post about and convince others to like while being "one of them". If this sounds far-fetched, it's not. We had someone admit to doing this in the video games forum once.
It's funny, what you've posted here is basically a parallel to the "checklist" I figured out a couple threads ago for you. But HERE'S the real problem: You are entirely up your own ass. THAT'S why you make threads about obscure shit, and instead of explaining why you find it interesting, you act like it's the second coming. THAT'S why you seem impervious to the observations of others, responding to anything that doesn't fit your own viewpoint with near-comically inept rebuttals or outright personal attacks. THAT'S why your perception of the situation is painted primarily as "why are all these people so mean to me poor me" instead of taking a step back, actually thinking about what people are telling you, and coming to the realization that there has to be a better way for you to conduct yourself. THAT'S why all your threads go so poorly, because you're really not looking for discussion, you're looking for validation and praise. I'm serious, kid. I'm not saying this shit to insult you or to be malicious, or even to hurt your feelings anymore than I have to. You've wrapped yourself up in this deluded world where you don't really have an idea of what an "unproportionate" response to the stuff you post is, and your response nearly every time makes you look like a jackass. A reasonable response to a situation is not to say that not being able to find a video tape of some obscure merchandising tie-in is keeping you from sleeping at night. A reasonable response to a situation is not to accuse people who criticize the animation of a web series of being bigots. The reason basically everyone tells you the stuff you're posting is crap is, well, because it's not very good. That's why they're able to tell you exactly how it's not very good. And if you still want to like something, go for it. Something I'm seeing increasingly in a lot of the teenaged members is not so much a lack of taste but an ignorance of what makes something "good", most likely due to their age and exposure to a relatively smaller body of media than older members. But what's galling is that they'll defend that crap to the death, and often with very poor responses that do nothing to actually address the criticisms leveled at it. The reason you get attacked, the reason people accuse you of being a shill or a troll, is because of HOW you respond, not that you respond. The reason your threads get locked by the mods is not because of some grand conspiracy against you, its because your threads become, almost universally, toxic piles of shitposting, this thread included. The lowest common denominator for all your problems here is YOU, man. And if you can't deal with the idea that there may be different opinions and a discussion on a discussion forum, maybe this site isn't the best place for you. Of course, you'll most likely miss the point of what I'm telling you in this post as well.
Wow this thread spiraled fast. Considering who the OP is I shouldn't be surprised. Not commenting on any of that other than, The Zingos, seriously dude do yourself a favor and learn from what people are saying in this thread. As for Gen Zed, good for them for having a transgender VA as a lead, but honestly like others said it's not coming off as a very good show. First thought that ran through my head "The Real World: Tumblr Edition". That's not something I'd want at all in a comedy much less an animated one. Writing wasn't stellar and boasting about a show that started out similar, that I have never heard of and have no interest in is not peaking my interest either.
I want to print this out and tape it all over the internet. This is a perfect summation of how freakin' closed minded so many people seem to be all over the internet these days. TFW, sadly, one of the worst cases in my opinion.
Why are you (or anyone here) the be-all-end-all authority of what's good and what isn't? I don't care if you don't like this show, and I didn't care if people didn't like MrEnter, but there's a fine line between stating your opinion and needlessly bashing on something. In life you have to feign interest so you don't offend the person who is interested in something, it's called having tact, and even though you may be older than me, I know what it means to have tact, even if my friend isn't into a show or a movie that I'm not, I feign interest so I don't hurt their feelings. You didn't have to post in this thread and say things like "this sucks" "the humor makes me cringe" because I didn't make this thread to hear warrantless negativity, I made this thread for people who are interested in this show to talk about it freely and for the support of others. I don't want praise, I want support. The reason this thread got derailed is not because of any stubbornness on my part, I don't care if people don't like this show, and if people said "This show isn't my cup of tea, I'll pass" I would have had no problems. But that's not what people said, they had to needlessly bash it by saying "it sucks" the humor sucks" "the animation sucks" "I don't care about the lead character's sexual orientation". That's not constructive criticism that's being instigative, trying to get a rise out of me or trying to make me feel bad for even considering watching this show. Again, personal opinion is one thing...going out of your way to tear something down with negativity is another.
Nobody's made that claim, but you're the one acting like there aren't things such as a generally accepted level and expectation of quality that most people hold things to. ...even though from what I know, Mr. Enter does nothing but needlessly bash on old cartoons? That aside, how exactly is there any bashing going on in this thread? Harsh criticism, yes, but nobody's attacking the show like you apparently think they are. ...is that it? No, seriously, you're railing against people having strong opinions against yours, because you think you have more tact than anybody else...and your idea of tact is not hurting somebody else's feelings? If you don't like something, then don't pretend that you do just to make your friends happy. If they're really your friends, they'll be okay with you not liking a movie or something small like that. And if they stop being your friends because of a disagreement like that...they weren't really good friends to begin with honestly. You want a hugbox is what you're saying, essentially. So you're getting angry at people for having strong opinions in a thread you wanted to be a hugbox, got it.
