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I voted for Super_Megatron and all I got was this stupid user title.

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  1. 01-01-2015 01:39 PM
    Aernaroth
    Aernaroth
    Lil B sampled the theme song from the gameboy version of robocop for that song.

    Ive talked about the ending of the first film before, so all I'll say is that I feel the "son" line is meant to be diminishing and a sign of power, as opposed to acceptance, and that the old man is not as benevolent has he appears in the open.

    The Mayor was more or less absent in the comic, but I preferred how in the film he was a lot more of a foil for what the city itself was actually going through.
  2. 01-01-2015 05:57 AM
    Superquad7
    Superquad7
    I really feel that it's taken on a life of its own whereas R1 had Verhoeven deliberately doing these things. I'd even go so far to say that Verhoeven and R1 extend into R2 just by default and even over-shawdowing anything Kershner intended. I could certainly be wrong about that and anything else, though.
  3. 01-01-2015 05:57 AM
    Superquad7
    Superquad7
    Boy, Mayor Kuzak! Man, most of the funny stuff comes from just his quotes! ("You senile old bastard!") Just the fact that he's willing to cut a deal with Hob and Angie to get the city out of debt...that in itself is a pretty good piece of satire. I think enough is said about it as well.

    There's a mean sense of humor to the movie that's a bit unique as well. From start to end is like one joke that's meant to be funny...but almost mean to be very harsh and spiteful about the things it's presenting. The tone is different than the first, as the first kinda pokes fun at how things are whereas R2 really is sarcastically nasty about them. Cooperate control, uncontrolled crime and drugs, mistreating workers (OCP vs. DPD)....it's not just making satire, it's really being nasty about saying "hey, this stuff is bad!" One on hand, I think this movie speaks much more than it's intended, too.
  4. 01-01-2015 05:49 AM
    Superquad7
    Superquad7
    Again, as I said, it's going to be hard for me to separate my nostalgia from R2 and my affinity for it. I really like a lot of the places R2 goes because some are very unexpected places. OCP WAS successful in making RoboCop their controlled product, with the crazy directives. I like this approach versus what Miller was trying to do with directives controlling society and all of that because it's kinda fresh. How many movies and stories have we had about society being oppressive and all of that? I think it's much more unique to go in the direction R2 goes.

    I also like that R2 didn't pit Murphy and Faxx at odds so much. Cain/RoboCop 2 ended up being much more of a metaphor of "crime" anyways and made for a logical adversary. I don't think that the whole drugs/drug lord angle was the best, but I think it worked well enough.
  5. 01-01-2015 05:49 AM
    Superquad7
    Superquad7
    I still think that statement at the end of R1 from the Old Man is about as blatant of OCP owning RoboCop as it could get ("Nice shooting, son. What's your name?"). The Old Man knew exactly who RoboCop was. He had a full briefing from Robert Morton, and he's the president of the company. It's the moment he's the proudest of being the president of OCP in that this...thing they've made is the most successful thing they've made. The next step is to control their product, create more products (the "bigger and better" mentality, of which OCP is a large part of in capitalist society, and usher forward to Delta City - the dream in which OCP would control a whole city.
  6. 01-01-2015 01:23 AM
    Superquad7
    Superquad7
    What in the world...
  7. 12-31-2014 01:31 AM
    Superquad7
    Superquad7
    There's a large part of me that feels that the R2 movie is truly the natural extension of R1, given all of its components whereas Miller's R2 feels like "just another story" for RoboCop at best.

    That said, I am glad that we got to see some of those things in R3, like the gang auxiliary police force OCP creates and other things. R3 just tried to make a product out of RoboCop more than continuing the story along.
  8. 12-31-2014 01:31 AM
    Superquad7
    Superquad7
    I've always liked Hob's character, especially jarring that he was a kid (which is what I think Miller's angle was anyways). I think the juxtaposition of Jimmy Murphy onto Hob was a strange one, but this is the only kid that Murphy was interacting with consistently. It's odd, but I think that's one of the things I like about it.

    R2 also I enjoy for it's dark humor. It's different than the dark humor of R1, as R1 is more satire and R2 is straight up just humorous for...well, kinda mean reasons. Murphy is made into OCP's clown as a pawn to help usher in Delta City a bit more (and even him running into the phone pole with the "bong' sound effect). Even the humanity of Murphy is played around with simply for the whims of big business and wanting to usher in the "next best thing" when such a thing really can't be created. There are several quotes from the movie that are downright hilarious, even more than the first movie, I think sometimes.
  9. 12-31-2014 01:31 AM
    Superquad7
    Superquad7
    Honestly, I think after reading your critique of things, I'll probably give the comics another go around. I dread doing so, if for no other reason the dreadful Geoff Darrow-wannabe artwork that's just so cluttered to the point of barely being discernible.

    While there are things about R2 that I dislike, I do like the direction Murphy was taken. I really think it was very realistic in how he was handled. Despite the results of R1, he's still OCP's "son" (the Old Man's label given to him). He's not a man, and he's not a mere machine - and while he's something more, for OCP he's simply their product. He's a product that they see as a "prototype" or whatever - for a business, Murphy isn't an end in himself. The "rediscovery" of his humanity? They forced Murphy into a legal corner against his own wife. Murphy loved Ellen so much that he had to make the ultimate sacrifice for her - to truly be "dead" to her.
  10. 12-31-2014 01:30 AM
    Superquad7
    Superquad7
    Ah! Yeah, that's what I was looking for from ya! You never disappoint!

    I guess I'd find it hard to rip out my nostalgia for R2 and be able to look at the film objectively. The movie received a lot of hate over the years, and some of it rightfully so. Nancy Allen has been very vocal about her horrible experience working Irvin Kershner. Peter Weller as well. I certainly think there's something to that, and also as you said the absence of Verhoeven really takes away from anything a sequel could be.

    Really, on one hand, I've always felt that RoboCop is a single story in itself. I also think that it's a story that wasn't meant to be franchised, and even within itself it shows us the dangers of such things. Yet, by the time we get to R3, we certainly see the implications of franchising with RoboCop, as R3 was barely a mediocre experience, and any incarnation that followed were even more so a watered down version of it.

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