Pregnant man gives birth to daughter

thefrozenred · 07-05-2008, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by squirrelcar

Yay for making assumptions!

I'm a Physician Assistant student, and as part of my training, I took a semester long course in Human Sexuality. Part of that course included education on transgenders and (gasp!) we even had a speaker come. Famous transgender dude, too. Made news a few years back as the first transgender Methodist minister. So mebbe you can reconsider your snarky lil' remarks.

And that website? It's not exactly peer-review medical research published in a respected medical journal, is it? That's really what I'm looking for--hence my use of the specific word, "research."

Besides which, the whole website clearly has advocay as a goal. It's not looking to provide data so much as it is trying to just convince me it's right. That's not a bad thing in and of itself, but it means that I'm gonna take any claims posted there with a grain of salt.

If I read some research (in a peer-reviewed, respected medical journal) that tells me that individuals who identify as transgendered consistently demonstrate expressed genetic traits that aren't consistently present in conventionally gendered people, I'll listen. And even then, they'll be people who want to be another sex, but still aren't actually that sex.

Well played (and fair enough).

DaraRex2.0 · 07-05-2008, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Moonscream

Just noticed the article title does have 'Pregnant man' in quotes. Heh!

And I have to wonder, if the woman is to be Mommy and her 'husband' is to be Daddy...what will happen when the kid gets old enough to start asking about 'where I came from'? The answers she will get will be radically different from what she's been taught in school and such about the roles of mommies and daddies, or even about gay and lesbian families.

I'm also curious what effect the hormones might have had on the kid.

--Moony

I thought about this too, but maybe now in the infant stage the babies hormone levels will slip into normal levels. The most it should have done was affect the fetus' development, not the childs gender or mental state.

Harbinger · 07-05-2008, 06:53 AM

i had a really funny thought about this the other day...

what if the dad was a she-male? then the mommy could be the daddy and the daddy could be the mommy.

Bryan · 07-05-2008, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Insane Galvatron

I've heard that it's been proven to be a chromosome problem. Instead of an XX or XY, some cases they actually have XXY.

Chromosomal abnormalities are associated with different types of retardation and other abnormalities, but people with them aren't transgendered.

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Originally Posted by Moonscream

I'm also curious what effect the hormones might have had on the kid.

So is the medical community. Because there's no solid research on this, since it would be ridiculously unethical, no one knows what effect it will have on the child.

This was my major issue with the whole thing from the beginning. She has the right to do whatever she wants, of courses...but I think everyone accepts "unless it hurts someone else" as a caveat to that. Here, we don't know if it will hurt someone else.

I really feel like the doctor who ultimately supported them (I have no doubt they went doctor-shopping) was wrong to do so.

Lance Halberd · 07-05-2008, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by squirrelcar

I really feel like the doctor who ultimately supported them (I have no doubt they went doctor-shopping) was wrong to do so.

They went through nine doctors, in fact.

http://www.advocate.com/exclusive_detail_ektid52947.asp

Personally, I don't think they should have made a media spectacle of themselves as they did, especially if they were in it for personal gains. It's pretty shameful and by no means representative of the entire trans community.

Bryan · 07-05-2008, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lance Halberd

They went through nine doctors, in fact.

Color me shocked.

EDIT: Y'know, if you have to ask EIGHT DOCTORS before you find one who will do what you want, seriously, shouldn't that be some sort of red flag for you?

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Originally Posted by Lance Halberd

Personally, I don't think they should have made a media spectacle of themselves as they did, especially if they were in it for personal gains. It's pretty shameful and by no means representative of the entire trans community.

Yeah, that's my (distant) second point of contention.

So you're a member of a community that deals with a lot of bullshit and has a long way to go towards full tolerance, much less acceptance. I understand that you're not under any sort of legal or contractual obligation to that community, but the very nature of it kinda suggests that you should want to be supportive of their overall goals.

The way they went about this was not conducive to that. Not the pregnancy itself so much, but the ridiculous levels of media-whoring that went on.

Moonscream · 07-05-2008, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by squirrelcar

So you're a member of a community that deals with a lot of bullshit and has a long way to go towards full tolerance, much less acceptance. I understand that you're not under any sort of legal or contractual obligation to that community, but the very nature of it kinda suggests that you should want to be supportive of their overall goals.

Or at least not try to publically tie the community into something that would to many people possibly be questionable. If they'd just done it and not gone after the media attention, how many people would care? Not a lot.

Just thought of something else...what if the kid wants to know her 'real daddy', aka the sperm donor? I mean, this is going to be terribly confusing for the kid when she's little if they tell her then (and really, its going to be difficult to keep her from it thanks the the media whoring), and if they wait until she's a teen, it could be potentially devastating. Kind of like when people finally have to tell an adopted kid they're adopted.

--Moony