Critically endangered gorilla shot after child got into its enclosure

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  1. RustyBarnacles

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  2. Livingdeaddan

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    Well you can't argue with that. But I think some liability needs to land squarely at the foot of the parents. Even as far as to charge them for their involvement in the death of an endangered species.
     
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    You know I still can't get over the fact that you can buy child harnesses in North America and see daycares walk kids like dogs.

    You're quite right, people can judge far too quickly without really knowing what's coming out of their mouths. People can't tell the difference between a dog and child at this point.

    I'd post and comment my regular "what does ____ taste like?" Gorilla's look far too human. Blech.
     
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    Whether or not the parent had neglect is debatable. But I did chance upon an article that focused more on the surrounding events than just the killing of Harambe.

    Was Harambe The Gorilla, Killed By Cincinnati Zoo, Protecting The Child?

    A lot of what was in that article was also found in several other articles I read when I was trying to find more info on the incident. Witnesses seem to maintain that Harambe seemed more protective of the child and curious as opposed to being aggressive. As mentioned, I'm sure that all the screaming didn't help matters. Also:

    This is something that doesn't help those who are "arguing" for the side of the parent:

    In short, the parents were already alerted to the fact that the child had desires of going in there. One can say they should have been more attentive, but if the child was looking for any opportunity to ninja himself away......it's hard to say how much neglect was on the parent. But it still doesn't help that side of the argument. My take on it? Little kids can be sneaky yo. My question in this is, if others heard the child say this and witnessed this exchange between parent and child, how is it that there wasn't even one person that saw the child try to get away and not do/say anything about it?

    To be fair, the take away I got from reading multiple articles....Harambe was killed because humans were being humans, and the gorilla was being a gorilla.
     
  5. Mark

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    It's exceedingly common among childless dog people in my experience.
     
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    The leash thing makes me laugh each time. Can't believe people would actually leash their kids. Let along let other people put a leash on their own kids. That comment was more for the leash comment btw.

    Look you can even order one online. :lol 
     
  7. Dark Skull

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    You love the leash :D 
     
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    The parents, in my eye, should have taught that kid some sense. Yeah, I get that parents can't keep track of their kids all the time, but there are still things parents can do to prevent kids from getting into cages. It's being human to lose track of your kid (though still bad), a lapse in judgment to not let your kid know that a strange animal is bad news.
     
  9. MatrixOfWumbo

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    They killed the wrong animal.
     
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    Whoa, whoa. Totally uncalled for.
     
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    A dog is a stupid domesticated animal.

    A gorilla is a stupid massively strong non domesticated animal.

    Child versus either of the above no contest.

    They should shoot people who treat animals like humans:lol  I know dogs who eat better than most people, nicer clothes as well......

    I have two kids, 6 and 3, I will tell you they get a good ass spanking if the need arises(jumping into a cage would get a really good one), but at the end of the day they are kids. No matter how smart you think they are or how good of a parent you think you are, kids are stupid period. Knowing about something and consequences are two very different things and that's the part children have no idea of.
     
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    Sorry? But was this any less uncalled for? At least with lions they're carnivorous, so in some twisted way you could justify yourself for murdering an animal in defense of some stupid person.
     
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    What really peeves me is childless people who think they know better. :lol 

    I think that gorilla understands it better.
     
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    I've seen some dogs and many members of the ape family that would rival the intelligence of several humans.



    Times have changed considerably since many of us were kids. I wonder, given the parenting we received (the ass beatings in particular), would we have thought it a good idea to jump into a wild animal enclosure? Would we have understood that it was either stupid, or just plain wrong to do?

    Something tells me many of us would have understood, even at that young age, that it was a dumb idea, and if we tried to do something so stupid, our asses would have been red for days if not weeks.
     
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    ^

    You do get the other extreme of the curve where a leash is needed. No matter the explanation, ass whooping, that child for some reason or another, maybe a condition, needs it.
     
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    Hahahaha.... no. That is a terrible reason to shoot someone. I don't know how else to explain other than ask "would you randomly shoot someone on the street?"
     
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    After reading many "stupid people" articles and even seeing it on the local news, not all parents know any better than childless people either.
     
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    Some have a clue, the majority have no idea.

    I know dogs smarter than some people I know, I would only assume the same of some gorillas:lol  A lot of you are forgetting one thing, there is not a parent here who hasn't turned around and said "Shit, where did XXXX go?". They go fast when something shiny hits their eyes. Adults don't have that same sense of wonderment that just let's you go "I'm going in the gorilla cage". Ass beatings will never fix that in a kid, ever.

    Using that analogy, there are quite a few neighborhoods where I could shoot random people and be doing the world good at the same time.

    Yeah, sometimes I think there should be laws regarding breathing letting alone reproduction.
     
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    So you think it's okay to kill people, then? Kill people over their opinions? Their thoughts? The analogy was referring to innocent people. I was pointing out how extreme it is to shoot someone.
     
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    Or parents who believe they hold no responsibilities whatsoever for their child's actions. Can you watch a child 24/7? Nope. But you are still responsible for that child 24/7. That's the inherent risk of having a child and you take on that risk and responsibility when you become the guardian of said child.
     
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