Marvel's Thor is now a woman.

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  1. MasterZero

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    I'll be the first to admit I haven't delved a huge amount into female Thor's run, so I'm not the most knowledgeable about the subject. I just want to throw in my five cents.

    I'm fine with passing on titles to other heroes. Captain America giving the title to Bucky and Falcon? Cool. Dick Grayson becoming the new Batman? I LOVED it. Miles Morales as Spider-man? Awesome. Kamala Khan as Ms. Marvel? I do tilt my head a bit due to how different her powers are, but other than that, I like her (I will admit I haven't read a huge amount from her, but from what I saw, I really like her).

    That said? Female Thor makes me tilt my head a bit in confusion due to Thor not being a superhero name. Its his actual name. I won't say its an instant F, but I don't like that I have to call this version Female Thor or just refer to her by her real name. Granted, you can argue that I also have to refer Dick Grayson Batman as...well, Dick Grayson Batman, but it just feels like more of an issue with Female Thor. Again, not a game breaker, but I do wish she had created her own identity as a heroine.

    Also, I've heard original Thor goes by Odinson nowadays? That true?

    I'd like it if this woman wielded her own magical powers and became a superheroine with her own name, rather than use Thor's. Both for the reason I mentioned above, but also because I know Female Thor isn't going to last. I know few things do in comics, but what I mean is that, nowadays, the comics change to fit the movies. Female Thor is going to lose her hammer by the time Thor 3 rolls around, and original Thor will be back. Unless the movies plan on adapting the whole Female Thor thing, which I'm not entirely against.

    My point is, if she was her own new character, I wouldn't have the depressing belief she is soon going to be replaced by original Thor.

    I know others have claimed the role of Thor before. Eric Masterson is the first to come to mind, but when he became Thor, the original one (if I remember correctly) ended up trapped in his mind. Call me crazy, but I actually liked that, and wouldn't have minded similar circumstances today. I wouldn't have minded original Thor acting as a mentor for this new heroine, partly cause I love that kind of stuff.

    To close this long post, I have seen three scenes of the new Thor line.
    1. Is original Thor begging his hammer to move. Depressing, but decently put together.

    2. Thor and Female Thor meet as they fight against some frost giants. Thor asks who she is, and Female Thor notices how sad he is. I like this scene. Even ignoring the ending, where Thor says he is no longer Thor, I like how bad Female Thor feels for the original...

    What I don't like is her refusing to tell anyone who she is. Does she have an actual reason not to tell others who she really is? If she does have a good reason, okay, but if its just the writers saying "We want to keep her identity a mystery" then it seems pretty...not good.

    Also, for some reason, Female Thor kisses the original to prove she's not his mother. Why? Why is that her reaction to that question? It just seems ridiculous to have that be the way to prove she's not related to him. Why not just tell him?

    Its a mixed scene for me, to say the least.

    3. And the only other scene I saw of Female Thor is her fighting Absorbing Man. Now, Absorbing Man is obviously supposed to be a representative of the audience saying "A GIRL CAN'T BE THOR!" and "Feminists ruin EVERYTHING!" A bit strawman, but fine...

    The issue is, to a degree, I agree with him. Now, obviously, he's meant to be seen as a sexist pig, but I do agree with him that instead of just going by Thor (even if she has the original's approval), it just seems like it'd be a better move to give herself her own title and name. It'd make me like her more, and probably give her a longer lifespan in the comicbook world.

    Now obviously, comics aren't made just for me, so I'm NOT the One Above All when it comes to this, but its my five cents.

    Also, the idea that Fury (or was it Fury Jr?) whispered something in Thor's ear and THAT is what made him unworthy of his hammer is a silly idea to me. Again, my five cents, but something that I think would have been a far more interesting move would be to just have Thor get tired of the violence.

    Obviously he's a hero. He's a good guy. But just make him tired of fighting villains and monsters. Mjolnir runs off of Viking morals. The wielder needs to be a soldier, or a warrior to wield it. That's why Wonder Woman could gain Thor's powers in crossover events, and Superman can't. WW can kill people, Supes can't (MoS notwithstanding). So have Thor become tired of all the bloodshed and desire to change. Maybe he tries to use violence less and less, until the hammer is fed up and leaves him for a more violent wielder. Thor (or Odinson, I guess) can walk the Earth as a 'mere' Asgardian, talking about the power of non-violence to people and learning about himself and the world, while Female Thor can be the tough, raw warrior.

    Man, that went longer than I wanted. I doubt anyone will read this. I wouldn't.

    TL;DR I am fine with passing on legacies. I don't like it in Thor's case. I admit that I haven't read a LOT of Female Thor, but from what I have seen and read Female Thor is a very mixed bag for me so far, but she is leaning towards the negatives. I do agree that comics could use more minority and female characters. Female Thor just isn't the way to do it.
     
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    I like this idea, this'll probably be one of the first comic books I'll've gotten in a long while.
     
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    FINALLY got a chance to read some of this. Not too shabby at all. It's not groundbreaking by any stretch but an enjoyable read. I think it'll genuinely be a bit of a shame when she's swapped out for Chris Hemsworth in 2017.
     
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    If she is swapped. Everyone was saying that would happen in time for Age of Ultron and it didn't now the date has been pushed back. If she keeps selling well she will stick around, it's not like you couldn't have Thor and Thor: God of Thunder with Odinson running at the same time if they both were selling well.
     
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    Unless I'm missing something, isn't this 8th issue her last solo issue for the forseeable future?
     
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    Yeah her solo issue is stopping for Secret Wars along with a heap of others.
     
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    Ultron is an Avengers movie, and look at those titles now. Remember Superior Spider-man? How well that did? They bring back Peter and do an electro story where Electro is redesigned to coincide with Amazing Spider-man and to hell with the popularity of the Otto era. Flash and Arrow's redesigns. Guardians has been COMPLETELY re-invented to match the movies. Loki. Spider switching to the black suit randomly during Civil War. Previous experience shows comic companies are business focused only. She won't last as the main Thor (actually why IS she called Thor? s'not her name). They'll do what they've always done. Market things to the most profitable audience. She'll lose mjolnir (there was even a recent tease with Thor beng unable to wield his new hammer from because he was no longer unworthy). I could see her being given her own hammer like Beta Ray Bill and maybe having a side series, or remain in the female Avenger team (sorta like how Wally got shunted to Titans after Geoff Johns obsession with his childhood struck again), but the original Thor will be back in the foreground. Marvel's not changing how it does business anytime soon. Hell, only reason I think Falcon could be Cap for a few more years is that Chris Evans has talked about Cap 3 being his last one.
     
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    Yeah and every one of those predictions were made for AoU, and Thor is in that, and they were wrong. All you're doing is now is shifting the goal posts to the next film Odinson is in. Marvel are in the business of selling comics and Thor is currently one of their best sellers, they won't dump her if she is making them money and after they made such a public fuss about her.
    Odinson will be back in the foreground yeah, he might get his own comic and all, but that doesn't mean current Thor is going to be disappearing into an ensemble book.

    Guardians of the Galaxy really only exists at all because the movie raised its profile and it still isn't as movie orientated as you seem to think.
     
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    Preview: THOR #8 - Comic Vine

    Nice preview, looks to be a badass finale.

    Thor and Lady Thor have some great banter. It's a shame though that
    Thor meets his end
    in Secret Avengers, it would have been nice if that could have continued.
     
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    Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were both retconned into experiements, not mutants, this week. Different guy experimenting but same origin as Ultron. They just dumped 50+ years of history to both screw fox and tie in with the Avengers. And having read a few of the guaridans totles, several are tonally very movie esque, Starlord is now far more in line with the movie character etc.

    I don't LIKE it, but she's on borrowed time. To be frank this is symtematic of something I despise in comics. 3 things that bug me, major retcons, an adherance to the status quo and the media being informed from the external extensions. I love continuity and taking whole swaths of backstory and ignoring it or changing it so as to make things more marketable or more to a editors whims or whatever is in my mind phenomenally disrespectfil to the medium. New 52s character shifts are issues for me because many, not all but many, essentially put a name on someone wholly unlike the other and uses it to be "gritty" (Bart Allen/Bar Tor peeeeeerfect example. Amanda Waller being skinny also bugs the crap out of me). The status quo is near sacred these days with decades of events reset to make them more like the more well known versions. Barbera Gordon being Batgirl again is entirely a marketing move because it goes to new readers "HEY, it's that charecter from that tv show/movie/game! Read about her!". Bar the custom stories, most of the N52 Batgirl could be done with zero major shifts with Stephanie or Cassandra. Characters die, and after the sheen wears off the reset button is hit and they come back exactly the same. Colossus under Whedon is an infamous example. Finally, the fact that the comics are now under the whim of the movies and shows bugs me because I think it stiffles creativity. The Avengers lineup changes to suit the movies, the Arrow main cast shifts to match the show etc.

    All very very VERY annoying.

    oh and I hate the words "any comic should be able to be someones first comic". You pick up an issue 8, you should not complain about it being inaccessible.

    And Damian. I hate Damian...

    Rant over.
     
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    I think every character but Batman, Superman and a few others are running on borrowed time. They get solo titles while they sell, if they stop selling so well they end up leading or in an ensemble team.
    It all comes down to sales, and Marvel trying to tap into the expanding female demographic. If her book keeps selling, it will stay, if it doesn't, if will go. No doubt Odinson will be back the fore in some capacity too.

    I agree with you on those three things.
     
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    I'm surprised that Superman hasn't killed anyone or caused massive property damage to match Man of Steel………

    So, any takers on who Thor is……..I say it't the Earth X version stuck in the Present Day 616 Earth (Earth X Thor was turned into a woman), who can wield the hammer…………

    Or it's someone who hasn't been around for years…..
     
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    They've heavily implied who it was in the last issue. Of course, it could take another turn.
     
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    True, but it's going to be kinda hard for her book to keep selling if they aren't going to be selling her book anymore.

    Odinson will inevitably get the hammer and title of Thor back, but if Marvel is smart they'll keep this character around in some way. Either her own title like Spider-Gwen, or as part of a team book.
     
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    Dude, her book is on temporary hiatus along with like 30 others for Secret Wars, the last issue was the 11th best selling comic for the month up against Star Wars titles which are MASSIVE. They aren't stopping selling her book yet, we're talking about whether it will continue past the next Thor film.
     
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    All I'm saying is that there is no guarantee they'll continue her book once Secret Wars is over. Marvel could easily make a stupid decision here. All we can do is wait and see.

    Also, I never said anything about the next Thor movie, so that's between you and others.
     
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    I was gonna say why can't they have both as Thors. But i remember they used the same Mjnoir. So unless Odin does the Beta Ray Bill/Thunderstrike route and give one a new hammer, i see female Thor keeping Mjnoir for a while.
     
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    They should, but they probably won't. They have Odin acting like a dick about the situation for no reason. It looks really stupid.
     
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    This is a Marvel thread, but I wanted to address this as someone who reads Green Arrow. The shift in cast was only in the most recent arc, and it seems to be because DC made a stupid decision and gave the writers of the show a shot at the comic. I was incredibly pissed when they wrote off seemingly everything Lemire did in an attempt to copy the show.

    They are now off the book, and the new writer has said a few months ago that he is writing Diggle and Felicity off and bringing back the old supporting cast that Jeff Lemire fleshed out (and the show writers immediately wrote off for Felicity).

    The eight page preview of the new Green Arrow issue launching in June looks to be sticking true to what he said a few months ago. Hell, it looks to ignore the past arc completely so far.