No All Hail Megatron #14 Thread? Is anyone still reading?

[Cast]

Originally Posted by libeskind

I just like the fact that IDW Galvatron is independent off Megatron. Its a hark to the toy tech spec where Galavatron was his own character, so something different, y'know?

I've always thought the tech specs were written in a vage enough way to hide the fact galvatron was megatron to make more of interesting point in the film and they were always meant to be one and the same. I do like the idea of them being different TF's but I'd like there to be a connection between them some where still, I know megatron is actually younger than galvatron this time around might be nice if megatron is actually a "later model" of what ever galvatron was orginally, like starscream seems to be a later modle skeeker than Cyclonus.

[Shane Anderson]

Originally Posted by Fit For natalie

As I've said elsewhere, I don't like it because the writer changed a major scene in the flashback to fit his depiction of Sunstreaker's eventual treachery.

Hunter never forced Sunstreaker to undergo the Headmaster process. NEVER. The headmaster thing is very important in establishing their relationship, but because McCarthy evidently hated Furman's idea of the pair being permanently bonded, he created this scene where Hunter all but forced the reluctant Sunstreaker to go through with it.

Furman depicted Sunstreaker as being somewhat agreeable, even warning Hunter that it would hurt (and secretly shunting his core consciousness into Hunter's mind).

Personally, I find this change rather insulting.

I'm still catching up on Devastation, and I've only read issues 4 and 5, but I've read summaries of the others. Doesn't Sunstreaker beg Hunter to kill him in issue #2? And in issue #3 as well? Does the scene in question better match one of those?

My local comic shop is supposed to be ordering the trade paperback for me, so hopefully in a week or two I can sit down and read the entire story.

[Fit For natalie]

Originally Posted by Shane Anderson

I'm still catching up on Devastation, and I've only read issues 4 and 5, but I've read summaries of the others. Doesn't Sunstreaker beg Hunter to kill him in issue #2? And in issue #3 as well? Does the scene in question better match one of those?

My local comic shop is supposed to be ordering the trade paperback for me, so hopefully in a week or two I can sit down and read the entire story.

In Devastation 2 and 3, Sunstreaker begs Hunter to kill him and explains he's been used against his fellow Autobots. Hunter replies that they should fight back in revenge, and states that he wants to be a Headmaster as well. In Devastation 4, he asks if there's room for one more in there, Sunstreaker replies in a laugh "why not" and warns him that it's the point of no return. And, as subsequently depicted, Sunstreaker places his mind in Hunter, and they would have eventually become fully melded.

This AHM issue shows Hunter ignoring Sunstreaker's pleas and implies the Autobot was forced into this Headmaster business, rather than agreeing to it as depicted in Devastation. The angle is to explain Sunstreaker's rather random genocidal hatred of humanity and his betrayal in AHM, which doesn't really jive with how he was depicted in Furman's stuff.

[Shane Anderson]

I'll have to wait until I've obtained the trade to comment further. The scene in AHM 14 doesn't mesh with Devastation #4, certainly. Does it have to though? Given what happened in earlier issues, could we be looking at a case of the unreliable narrator here? Sunstreaker remembering things slightly differently than they actually happened? He did have to justify his actions to himself somehow. That in itself could be part of the point of the story.

[Fit For natalie]

I hope this is the case, because it really just puts the nail in Hunter's coffin, by making him look bad, as if he deserved his fate for making Sunstreaker suffer by Headmaster partnership.

And of course, I've never agreed with the killing off of Hunter. Seem's like a final "Fuck you" to the previous era.

[Shane Anderson]

Originally Posted by Fit For natalie

I hope this is the case, because it really just puts the nail in Hunter's coffin, by making him look bad, as if he deserved his fate for making Sunstreaker suffer by Headmaster partnership.

And of course, I've never agreed with the killing off of Hunter. Seem's like a final "Fuck you" to the previous era.

Yeah, that wasn't something I enjoyed at all. And I hope the Witwickys haven't completely replaced Verity and Jimmy as the main human characters. I quite liked all three of Furman's human cast, and I'd hate to see the surviving two (as far as I know anyway) dropped entirely.

[Fit For natalie]

Unless Furman gets to do a Spotlight or something, I'd say we have seen the last of Verity Carlo and Jimmy Pink.

[Shane Anderson]

Going back to the Sunstreaker story in AHM #14, I've finally acquired Devastation 2 and 3, and to be honest I'm not seeing what's so different about the scene in AHM #14.

The final panel of Devastation #2 has Hunter discover the disembodied head of Sunstreaker, who begs Hunter to kill him. The scene continues in issue #3, where Sunstreaker tells Hunter what the Headmaster technology is.

from #3:
Hunter: Ok, right, so what do we do?
Sunstreaker: Kuh.... kill me.
Hunter: No, I won't accept that. There must be another option, some way to fight back.
Sunstreaker: puuuhhlease... I just want this to stop. They're using me to hunt other Autobots. This is just the beginning.
Hunter: Yeah it is. I've seen the clone bodies down here. Teach me how to be a headmaster!

I've left out a word of two, but the scene in AHM #14 is essentially just a slightly cut down version of this exact sequence. Most of the dialogue is word for word. After reading both, I'm going to have to disagree with you that it changes the scene in any significant way to make Sunstreaker look more like a victim. I don't see much difference between what happened in Devastation #3 and the recap in AHM #14.

[Fit For natalie]

Didn't AHM 14 neglect the "join forces to fight back" part and Sunstreaker's agreement?

[Valkysas]

yes. the last thing it shows sunstreaker saying is "kill me".

and hunter just says "teach me to be a headmaster".

no words spoken about joining forces to fight back, no agreement just "kill me" "I won't do that!" "I want it to stop" and "teach me to be a headmaster"

doesnt mean the team up and agreement didnt happen, they just werent shown. but the way sunstreaker is portrayed, I see no way that he could have agreed to it in the fucked up retcon.