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Old 09-03-2009, 11:44 PM   #31
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I'm still mostly liking the series, but Barry Allen creating the Speed Force is the lamest retcon since... well, since Johns made XS and Impulse turn out to really be from his unboot Legion's world. Now I usually like Johns's work, but I think he's making some kind of dumb and pointless decisions with the speedsters.
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Old 09-04-2009, 11:06 AM   #32
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It kinda makes sense from a DC universe (the company) point of view. They want to celebrate Barry as the character that helped revive super-hero comics creating the Silver Age. By making him the creator of the Speed Force, they cement his place not just as a speedster, but as the cornerstone of the Flash universe.
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Old 09-04-2009, 12:38 PM   #33
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So if Barry Created the speed force how was it that Johhny Quick, Jay Garrick, and Max Mercury were all using it before Barry was ever born? I mean they may not have realized they were accessing it, well other then Max, but they've long since said that all the speedsters in DCU pull their power from the Speed Force.

And why exactly did they feel the need to kill off Barry's parents and change the day he met Iris, those changes seemed kinda pointless. Tieing thier meeting to the day he got his powers and a trial for the "Mirror Master' prior to his becoming a costume villain really made no sense to me. Not to mention the whole thing kinda negates the sacrifice he made during the original Crisis, but then he was one of the only heroes over the years to stay dead, I guess it was past time for DC to bring him back.

I guess I'm glad to have Barry back, just not a fan of some of the retcons they felt necessary to add in with his return.
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Old 09-04-2009, 01:47 PM   #34
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Good point on the Golden Age Speedsters, but I think they're trying to explain it as Barry is the creator of the speed force on Earth-1 (or is it Earth Prime now?). Remember Jay, Max, and Jesse were incorporated into Earth-1 after Crisis. Hell, Max wasn't incorporated into The Flash comics until 1993. Since they all have different origins not tied to the SF originally, it could be theorized that Barry can be seen as the central source of the Speed Force, since he is the central Flash.

And things get retconned... I know some people are bothered about it, but it has been 25 years since Barry died. Hell, I don't even how Barry met Iris anymore, or that his parents were alive when he became The Flash. A few tweeks to his origins will perhaps make him a more interesting character, and keep him from another Crisis fate.

Personally, I'm just thrilled to death that DC is finally recognizing just how important Barry and Hal are to the DC Universe. These were the two guys that ushered in the Silver Age, not Superman, Batman, or Wonder Woman. Together they brought back super-hero comics when the genre was thought to be all but done. They paved the way for Marvel to rise in 60s.
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Old 09-04-2009, 02:11 PM   #35
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i too was wondering about Jay and the others, but smkspy's explanation sounds great to me...and i never read anything flash other then Wally, so i'm excited to have Barry's origin, even if its a little different...and retcons are bound to happen to a character thats been around for more then 20 years...its a way to help new readers be interested...
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Old 09-04-2009, 08:24 PM   #36
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I don't know why. I hear this alot, but did people really think they'd bring Barry back only to make him Black Flash? I dunno, I'm just kinda baffled by this...
i keep forgetting this takes place before Blackest Night (which is already happening...thus why i hate titles that spoil other titles months earlier)...i thought they would use another arc (maybe his first arc in his ongoing title) for him to let loose as the Black Flash.
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Good point on the Golden Age Speedsters, but I think they're trying to explain it as Barry is the creator of the speed force on Earth-1 (or is it Earth Prime now?). Remember Jay, Max, and Jesse were incorporated into Earth-1 after Crisis. Hell, Max wasn't incorporated into The Flash comics until 1993. Since they all have different origins not tied to the SF originally, it could be theorized that Barry can be seen as the central source of the Speed Force, since he is the central Flash.

And things get retconned... I know some people are bothered about it, but it has been 25 years since Barry died. Hell, I don't even how Barry met Iris anymore, or that his parents were alive when he became The Flash. A few tweeks to his origins will perhaps make him a more interesting character, and keep him from another Crisis fate.

Personally, I'm just thrilled to death that DC is finally recognizing just how important Barry and Hal are to the DC Universe. These were the two guys that ushered in the Silver Age, not Superman, Batman, or Wonder Woman. Together they brought back super-hero comics when the genre was thought to be all but done. They paved the way for Marvel to rise in 60s.
I suppose I can buy that about the Speed Force, especially since they've brought back the whole multiverse thing. I still don't see the point to killing off his parents, all it does is add unnecessary angst to the character. As for Iris, I'm not sure if they actually have ever shown how they met, but they were dating long before he became the Flash, he discovered he'd gained his powers because he was late for a date.

I'm just not a fan of retconning in general.
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I'm loving this series. This is the most I've ever cared about the Flash. I just wish they would get around to giving Wally his new uniform already. Is he getting a new name too? There are now 3 Flashes running around and that could get confusing.
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I suppose I can buy that about the Speed Force, especially since they've brought back the whole multiverse thing. I still don't see the point to killing off his parents, all it does is add unnecessary angst to the character. As for Iris, I'm not sure if they actually have ever shown how they met, but they were dating long before he became the Flash, he discovered he'd gained his powers because he was late for a date.

I'm just not a fan of retconning in general.
but wasn't his dad getting arrested for the murder of his mom? if that didn't happen it gives barry something to prove, since he is a scientist and cop...he'll get his dad off somehow...
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i wonder when we're going to get a glimpse of the new Wally West Flash suit.

as for name, i doubt it...we got four Green Lanterns running out yet they're all called GL.
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yeah, i don't see a need to too many name changes...they can all just be the flash and i'll be okay...
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