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Nevermore

04-30-2006, 09:29 AM

How come there isn't a topic for this yet?!?

http://www.d13satellite.com/donmurphy/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10063

So I travelled with Eduardo, my Shoot-Em-Up VFX supervisor and got stuck in wicked traffic. Made it to the Con where I re-met Omnicron.

We went in and met with Hedgehog, Slugerr and Jester. Had a drink at the bar and shared Stooge stories and Stooge questions. GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE.

Then I walked with them to the Dealer's Room. MANY people coming up to say hi. Everyone was nice. Now I am not use to this "celebrity" thing and I tried to be nice back. BUT, everyone had a problem introducing themselves. Say "Hi My name is Vlad" next time people.

Met Shadex- nice guy but he disappeared quickly.

The Dealer's room was okay. Omni gave me a cool tee-shirt that mentioned my name. Thanks, pal.

Then- THE PANEL. I must admit, there were a lot of people and a lot of questions. They were all good questions though. Everyone was nice and respectful. I guess I didn't know what to expect.

Then there was a short photo/autograph session- and then a BIRTHDAY CAKE. What a great group of guys!

All in all, except for the huge traffic jam, a very very good time.

Thanks Colin, Thanks Stooges, that was fun.

(As I was writing this i was bumped to 7th)

it was great, I picked up a Star-Convoy, Magnificus& Ganemede and Jr Headmaster Hosehead.

But more importantly, I made it into Don's Question panel I was suprised at the fact that people didnt know this site or that there was no mass-shifting, beside that arbitrary questions were asked about the line up, Don said he wasnt sure who the Decepticons are but assured us all of the Transformers are chosen because they fit in the script and theyre not just droids they're characters. He mentioned (possibly joking) that Soundwave was written in as a CDplayer and that there were some convincing CD drones brought to a meeting, then he said theyre might not be any drones.

He mentioned that though the designs are diffrent theyre more realistic, they are what a vehicle would look like transformed, also saying that the characters would have to be reminicent of their old selves so that we could recognise them.

The question as to the Matrix was brought up, Don said that the item itself is important and necessary but was not sure what it was called because drafts are still being written. He said he wanted to keep the old che chee cha chou choo sound and that got applause.

Megatrons is so ominus and menacing Don said when we won't care what he transforms into when we finally see him. at another point he said that the Decepticons work together as a unit and are looking for something while the Autobots are trying to stop them.

Don said that the vehicles are supplied by the Military and GM cars and mentioned Tanks Helicopters and Jets, when he said GM the croud moaned but I dont know why, not just because I drive a GM car but because there are a lot of smaller companies and other names under GM so all the vehicles shouldnt look the same (IMO they should all be wearing Autobot decals so people wont notice unless theyre looking)

Theres no Music yet and the teaser could be anything.

I didnt ask anything all my questions got answered except "will Grimlock be the one to kick Scorpinok's ass?" which I can wait to be suprised by.

There are at least 5 people with video who know the rest of the facts , that is alli can remember for now, I'm going to go eat and check out my TFs.

Take it easy fellow Stooges

More:

http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6627

It should also be noted that during Don's panel some other tidbits were mentioned:

- Soundwave may not be in the first movie. Don said he wanted to do Soundwave right since he is such an iconic character and that he, SO FAR, has a small role in the first movie. That has lead to a push by some to remove him from the first film in favour of giving him more screen time in a second film.

- Scorponok has a scene that, according to Don, jumps off the page at you. It involves Scorponok crushing a military unit.

- Apparently shooting will begin with 3 weeks at the missile range in New Mexico

- Don has had a bunch of meetings with Hasbro/Aaron/ etc. so we can assume that the toys are underway.

If I remember any more I will update.

It was really not very interesting at all.

The only things really that worthy of note was that he was persistent in saying that he doesn't want Soundwave to be in the movie, so he'd be able to show up with mass shifting in a sequel. Very persistent.

The CD drones thing came up because a cute little kid came up and asked about Soundwave (I swear, every other damn question was about Soundwave), and mentioned that if the drones were CDs, they wouldn't be articulated; Don responded by saying that he'd seen those CD transforming things from a while back. Then he came into the audience and bit the kid's head off.

Also, the impression I got about the GM thing was that they were trying to get others, and GM was the only one that was nearly certain. But I may have been misinterpretting one of his later comments on that.

The only other really interesting thing of note was that he ended up saying that the story would focus around the Decepticons trying to find something, and suggesting that it might be Whatever-they-end-up-calling-the-thing-that-is-the-Matrix-but-really-isn't. That, and that there was still a lot of stuff involving the Decepticon line up that wasn't finalized at all, and it could still change a lot.

He was a lot better at being reassuring in person than he usually is on his message board, but all in all, the panel was pretty boring and just had a lot of people asking the same dumb questions about Soundwave over and over again.

(Edit: It occurs to me that a lot of that probably isn't new. I haven't been paying a lot of attention to movie news, I'll admit.)

and

http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/viewtopic.php?t=82724

Hey guys,

Just got back from the Convention here in Toronto... quite fun and well organized.

Just a few things that i remember from the Don Murphy panel.

Q: Is the whole Brawl, Devastator, Bonecrusher thing acurate?
A: Nothing is set in stone. They're still far off from the final script.

Q: What's happening with Soundwave in the movie?
A: Soundwave is still in the script but he might be put off until the next movie since currently having him as a CD and not mass-shifting could make it seem really strange for a lot of people.

Q: Any info on the soundtrack to the movie?
A: That will be probably done in the final cut of the movie...so nothing until then.

Edit:
Q: Will Soundwave's voice be synthisized in the movie?
A: Yes.

Those are the really important ones I could remember off hand. If anyone else can remember anything else... please feel free to add it

Hello all,

Just came back from Transformercon 2006 in Toronto and have an update on some movie news. I attended several panels which include Michael McConnohie and Don Murphy sitting in the front row each and everytime.

The Michael McConnohie panel was terrific, several fans asked Michael on some movie rumours.

One fan asked should Cullen and Welker reprise their roles as Megatron and Optimus Prime?

Michael: "Absolutely, these voices are the heart of the character"

Later representative from Don came and asked Micheal:

Representative: "Should Optimus Prime have a "long front or flat front style like the G1?"

(A loud "awe" sound came from the crowd in disappointment just on the question)

Michael: "Why change things....for the sake of change? Taco Bell had the little dog as their marketing tool and sales soared, a new marketing manager came in and got rid of the dog for the sake of change and since then sales dropped. I my personal opinion NO don't change it just to have their fingerprint on Prime leave it alone".

(The crowd came back with a loud around of applause)

Representative: "Should Bumblebee be a Volkswagon or a Camaro?"

Micheal: "Bumblebee will always be a Volkswagon that's the character ,and Dan Gilvezan (G1 voice actor) is Bumblebee.

(The crowd came back with a loud around of applause)

Representative: "What do you think of calling the "Autobot Matrix of Leadership"..."Energon"?

Micheal: "Energon and the Matrix are totally different thinkings don't try the change it".

(The crowd came back with a loud around of applause)

The panel ended with applause

While waiting for the next panel to begin, I was hanging around the lobby and noticed a crowd of 6 to 7 people coming closer to the event and I noticed Don Murphy in the middle of the crowd.

I approached him and I introduced myself...

Me: Good afternoon Mr. Murphy, I'm Dave

Don: No it's Don.

Me: I know your name is Don but I'm Dave

Don: Mr. Murphy is my father...I'm Don (as he smiled)

(He really likes being addressed by his first name and not by Mr. Murphy. He also takes interest on what is your name. If you don't tell him right away he will ask you repeatedly)

I got a picture with him, and it was great being the first fan to meet with him in person.

Shortly after Don's panel began.

Here is a few highlights that were revealed:

* They have a deal with "General Motors" , most of the vehicles will be GM and possibly another (not for sure)

* They will the classic transforming sound in the movie

* They will have in one form or another the original theme song in the movie

* Soundwave will be mentioned in the movie but may not be in the first movie, and wait till the second (not sure as of yet) He stated "I don't want to rush and develop Soundwave's character wrong, Soundwave is too important to get him wrong"

* No filming will be done in Toronto

* Original voice actors will be auditioned for the roles of Prime and Megs

* There will be 5 Bots and 5 Cons

* A large battle scene between Prime and Megs with "Lot's of destruction"

* About 4 separate story lines will be running in the movie

* A separate Teaser Trailer will be filmed, since filming is at it's beginning stages (2 months of film is not enough)

* There will be no mass shifting

Don also stated that he doesn't want to create a "Godzilla" movie and watch it flop

Don says:

"The budget is well over $120 million"

"If Bumblebee is a Camaro he won't watch it"

"I'm a big transformer fan, that is why I started my boards two years ago for feedback from the fans"

This was my first Transformer Convention and after this one I know it won't be my last!

Dark_Convoy

04-30-2006, 09:37 AM

Interesting, I wonder if they are changing things on the fly due to fan reaction?

Shane Anderson

04-30-2006, 09:38 AM

I'm glad Mr. Murphy was treated well... he seems to have formed a poor opinion of fandom based on his online experiences, so maybe he'll have a better view of us now. :thumb

TF@TM

04-30-2006, 09:42 AM

Awesome stuff Nevermore - as usual. We were waiting on a roundup thread.

Dio

04-30-2006, 09:49 AM

Nevermore

04-30-2006, 09:56 AM

I'm glad Mr. Murphy was treated well...

What, Don's father was there as well? *snikt*

Orodruin

04-30-2006, 10:05 AM

Good info, but man... it sounds like some people are just waaaaaay too attached to G1 forms. From the sound of it, the room was filled with people who wouldn't even buy Alt Tracks because he's not the same model of Corvette.

Zero Prime

04-30-2006, 10:17 AM

This news makes me very happy. I like the fact that Don and Mike want to see BB as a Volkswagon.

Kickback

04-30-2006, 10:34 AM

Knowing our guys, they probably got drunk with Colin somewhere and are lyingin a ditch.

Shin Densetsu

04-30-2006, 10:41 AM

This is beginning to sound very promising...

Devastator001

04-30-2006, 11:16 AM

After a busy week with transformer news, especially with movie; I can accept the fact Scorponok will be in the movie. I am am looking forward to see what will develop further with character developments for the Decepticons.

ILoveDinobot

04-30-2006, 11:29 AM

HOLY COW YES!! I AM SO EXCITED! :rock I was sooo incredibly pissed when people began to mention bumblebee as a f*cking Camaro, I mean they are hot cars but its not bumblebee. So this is definitely good news here with teh VW. Soundwave I could care less I always hated Soundwave that uncharismatic boar. :D Original voices YAY! not that big of a deal if it isn't done though.

Boardwise

04-30-2006, 11:39 AM

How come there isn't a topic for this yet?!?]

We were to busy asking how many tapes Twincast holds.

You don't know by any chance do you?

Motor_Master

04-30-2006, 11:55 AM

Interesting, I just hope there aren't too many fan boy finger prints on this film.

spyderbytez

04-30-2006, 12:13 PM

YAy Bumblebee as VW!! maybe we'll see an Alternators version??? :)

Nevermore

04-30-2006, 12:24 PM

We were to busy asking how many tapes Twincast holds.

You don't know by any chance do you?

Dunno, isn't that explained in the dancing Soundwave video?

Speaking of, have you seen that one yet?

Sculpt-bot

04-30-2006, 12:47 PM

I doubt he will actually be a VW. Volkswagon has come out and said that they don't want their vehicles depicted as war toys. BB was one of the first Alts designed, but didn't get completed because of VW's refusal. If the rumors of him being a beat up 70's car come true...let him be a (wait for it) AMC Pacer or a Gremlin! Let's go the really hideous route!

Nevermore

04-30-2006, 12:52 PM

Don Murphy said that VW WAS interested in the movie.

But some of the Dreamworks execs refuse to make him a VW because they are afraid that people would consider the movie a "Herbie" rip-off.

Pimpimus Prime

04-30-2006, 01:12 PM

Thanks for the various reports Nevermore. It's always interesting how people can be at the same panel and interpret things differently.

Grimlock_13

04-30-2006, 01:18 PM

You know, I'm starting to get a little excited about this. Maybe I'm growing up a little and realize not everything has to be a straight up redeux of G1, but it sounds like there's goos stuff happening here. Scorponok may not be the most prominent G1 figure, but kids today might recognize him from the Energon series, and possisbly remember seeing his toy on the shelves and get into the movie a bit more. Plus, I think the Spider-Man and X-Men movies were phenominal (not perfect, but for a sci-fi movie based off a comic book they were incredible), and they, especially X-Men, weren't even close to the original product. I think this may turn out for the best yet!

Windcharger

04-30-2006, 01:20 PM

They're making a Transformers movie ????

edit: did you guys reset the post #? Not that I care about my post status, but I've been posting since 2002 with 96 posts??

Why, I was here listening to Tony's music since Kup was a child-bot.

Cy-Kill

04-30-2006, 01:29 PM

So far I like what I hear. :D The movie sounds like it's breaking new ground, while at the same time giving massive nods towards G1.

I'm officially excited. :wink:

Windcharger

04-30-2006, 01:31 PM

So far I like what I hear. :D The movie sounds like it's breaking new ground, while at the same time giving massive nods towards G1.

I'm officially excited. :wink:

Well, it will have the virtue of never having been seen before. Unless you consider that movie Returner, no one has ever seen the like of this before. Period...and the transforming bots in Star Wars don't count.....no

cefuroxx

04-30-2006, 01:42 PM

So will this be the behemoth green and purple city/battlestation Scorponok?? The other 'cons flew inside him to earth I presume........

or what?

Cataclizm1

04-30-2006, 01:42 PM

Superion33

04-30-2006, 02:34 PM

YAY!!!! GM!!

<Does sarcastic happy dance!>

God, what a horrible choice for a car company. Hmmmm, what kinda cars should we model the Transformers after? Lemme think, shall we go with the more popular, more successful, higher quality, more reliable, hip car companies or should we go with GM?

Ohh ohhh pick me, pick me! I know the answer. We should go with GM. That way, when GM goes out of business and can't PAY people to take the gas guzzlers off their hands, we will have our Transformers go down in infamy with them!!!

Second worst decision for this movie. The worst decision is to focus on the humans rather than the Transformers. Why else would people go to see the movie if not for a plot with the Transformers?

I think Hollywood is going to try to mainstream the Transformers to make as much money as possible and it will fail.

Spekkio

04-30-2006, 02:36 PM

I don't know why people would be negative about GM's involvement in the movie. I think it's pretty cool, myself. I wish there were more GM-based Alternators. In fact, I wish that more Alternators were made with GM/Ford/Chrysler vehicles instead of foreign makes. And GM makes some really cool cars:
<ul>
<li>Chevrolet Cobalt SS, Monte Carlo SS, Impala SS, trucks, SSR, Corvette</li>
<li>Pontiac Solstice, G6 coupe/convertible, maybe GTO</li>
<li>Saturn Ion Redline</li>
<li>Just about anything Cadillac, Buick, or Hummer</li>
</ul>

And maybe Bumblebee wouldn't be a Camaro, but maybe someone else...Cliffjumper...?

Straycat

04-30-2006, 02:41 PM

Sounds pretty interesting--some very good news in there, though I am too cynical not to take it all with a grain of salt.

But I will be massively happy if my favorite childhood cartoon series finally gets justice done to it, and gains larger fandom and recognition. If all that happens is they turn out a semi-successful series of movies that fans can enjoy--awesome. But it would be nice to see Transformers get a bigger status, like Spiderman has thanks to the movies.

And I don't understand the few comments about "Too much G1 whining" --are we reading the same post? If so, I think you're blowing a couple smaller comments way out of proportion. There really wasn't all that much in there to complain about.

And also--the movie is supposed to be based on G1, is it not? Had he annouced a movie based on Beast Wars, or Cybertron, etc, then G1 "whining" would be innappropriate. But since it is supposed to be loosely G1 based--let a fan wish for what they might want, no big deal.

Xcandescent

04-30-2006, 02:43 PM

Don Murphy said that VW WAS interested in the movie.

But some of the Dreamworks execs refuse to make him a VW because they are afraid that people would consider the movie a "Herbie" rip-off....

Man, Hollywood execs really ARE that stupid.

It's good if VW is interested ... because I got the impression that, if they're that set on BB being a bug, they'd probably boot him from the movie if VW says no.

-XCN-

Dio

04-30-2006, 02:44 PM

You know, I'm starting to get a little excited about this. Maybe I'm growing up a little and realize not everything has to be a straight up redeux of G1

:rock

and lemme say it again...

:rock

Let us pray you are the first of many.

Superion33

04-30-2006, 02:47 PM

I don't know why people would be negative about GM's involvement in the movie. I think it's pretty cool, myself. I wish there were more GM-based Alternators. And maybe Bumblebee wouldn't be a Camaro, but Cliffjumper...?

Why people would be negative about GM's involvement in the movie? Have you not been keeping up with current events at all? GM is tanking. The company is laying off people left and right. Those geniuses at GM decided to come out with the Yukon and some other SUVs as the new redesigned models for 2006. Wow, wasn't that a great move? After Katrina hit, you'd think they'd wise up and go with smaller, more fuel efficient cars. Now we have gas at around $3 and will probably stay that way till the summer ends. God forbid another hurricane hits or the geopolitics with Iran get f'ed up.

You didn't see that many GM cars in Fast and Furious. Its not a hip, trend-setting company. Its a copy cat company that copies what the competition does. Why? Because it pays out of the nose for health care and pays high school graduates to install a car door more than a Bachelor in Engineering makes.

I hope that last tidbit that other car companies might get involved is true. It'd be nice to see some European cars, some Korean cars, some Japanese cars, AND some domestics. I see this as a PR last ditch effort to try and improve their image by attaching it to one of the most devoted fan bases in Transformers fans.

Drew Eiden

04-30-2006, 03:06 PM

ooo cool stuff... are there any other reports out there for the other panels?

Nerd Bomber

04-30-2006, 03:21 PM

no soundwave makes me = :( but I understand a little bit why.

It's looking like a good film!

Spekkio

04-30-2006, 03:35 PM

Why people would be negative about GM's involvement in the movie? Have you not been keeping up with current events at all? GM is tanking.
...
You didn't see that many GM cars in Fast and Furious. Its not a hip, trend-setting company. Its a copy cat company that copies what the competition does. Why? Because it pays out of the nose for health care and pays high school graduates to install a car door more than a Bachelor in Engineering makes.
...
I see this as a PR last ditch effort to try and improve their image by attaching it to one of the most devoted fan bases in Transformers fans.

Wow. Harsh. OK, sure, GM is having some trouble right now. I know this. I know they're not perfect. However, I also know that failure to improve fuel economy is a crime that every auto maker is guilty of committing. I also know that health care is a problem that every U.S company is dealing with to one extent or another. And we all know that dealing fairly with labor is tricky business - yell at GM for overpaying workers if you like, but those workers might not be able to support their families if GM paid them less. And when people can't make a living, everyone loses.

This has gone terrifically off-topic, so I'll stop here and just say that I really hope this movie has a strong presence for American-made cars.

Silver Bullit

04-30-2006, 03:39 PM

:lol
And the G1 nay-sayers are getting their panties in a wad because apparently the dastardly fanboys have been heard... and a fanboy may be involved in the making of this film.

I can't believe how disapointed some of these guys appear to be if the film sounds at all like it might make a bold move to return to its roots.

SB

Hiro Prime

04-30-2006, 03:49 PM

Why people would be negative about GM's involvement in the movie? Have you not been keeping up with current events at all? GM is tanking. The company is laying off people left and right. Those geniuses at GM decided to come out with the Yukon and some other SUVs as the new redesigned models for 2006. Wow, wasn't that a great move? After Katrina hit, you'd think they'd wise up and go with smaller, more fuel efficient cars. Now we have gas at around $3 and will probably stay that way till the summer ends. God forbid another hurricane hits or the geopolitics with Iran get f'ed up.

You didn't see that many GM cars in Fast and Furious. Its not a hip, trend-setting company. Its a copy cat company that copies what the competition does. Why? Because it pays out of the nose for health care and pays high school graduates to install a car door more than a Bachelor in Engineering makes.

I hope that last tidbit that other car companies might get involved is true. It'd be nice to see some European cars, some Korean cars, some Japanese cars, AND some domestics. I see this as a PR last ditch effort to try and improve their image by attaching it to one of the most devoted fan bases in Transformers fans.

Ya know, I'd like to not further derail the topic at hand here, but I believe you are using politics to bemoan what is clearly a business issue.

GM is made up of a number of smaller divisions that produce a wide array of different vehicles from cars to trucks to SUV's. This includes a new line of Hybrid cars which GM has had in development for a few years. (and untill receintly there hasn't been much of a market that wanted to buy such vehicles.) SUV's on the other hand, have a huge market of people wanting to buy them. It really would be a stupid move to quit making them on GM's part if for no other reason than it's competion would and GM would then lose a ton of money.

To mention only the things about the company that you don't like and to make bold statements that are only half truths only hurts your your position and paints a very negative picture of yourself.

The companies problems with it's retirement obligations are the main reason for the many layoffs and not the the "fact" you stated of them being "unhip" and not a "trend setting company." Your statements are unfounded and based on your opinion of what is cool. I for one think most of the little cars that the kids all trick out today (as seen in the Fast and Furious movies) suck and pale next to '60's/'70's muscle cars. And yes, that's MY opinion.

IACON

04-30-2006, 04:15 PM

"Nothing set in stone yet! "

I hope that the original transformation sound will stay and original V.A would be casted.

These are good news and there is a small light in this dark tunnel after all.......

JPJappic

04-30-2006, 04:19 PM

Pretty cool info. So if they wanna postpone Soundwave till the next movie, I think they should do it like this. Have Megatron communicating with Soundwave in this movie and you hear Soundwave's voice. Maybe he is still on Cybertron. They could also show Soundwave's head on a communicator maybe. Then for the last scene of the movie, after it looks like the Autobots have won the battle, have a scene where a human is carrying the CD player (If this is what Soundwave will be) and the camera zooms in on the CD player and you see the Decepticon emblem on it.:thumb

That would be really cool. I am also dissapointed by the fact that Soundwave may not be in the first movie... but I guess I could understand why. Megatron won't want to be stealthy in the first movie ;) and then after he fails, he'll call upon Soundwave's expertise in the second movie.

GetterDragun

04-30-2006, 04:20 PM

Wow. Harsh. OK, sure, GM is having some trouble right now. I know this. I know they're not perfect. However, I also know that failure to improve fuel economy is a crime that every auto maker is guilty of committing. I also know that health care is a problem that every U.S company is dealing with to one extent or another. And we all know that dealing fairly with labor is tricky business - yell at GM for overpaying workers if you like, but those workers might not be able to support their families if GM paid them less. And when people can't make a living, everyone loses.

This has gone terrifically off-topic, so I'll stop here and just say that I really hope this movie has a strong presence for American-made cars.

GM has to pay there workers more due to the UAW, it doesn't mean the employees get more than say Toyota employees beause Toyota doesn't have there srotum being crushed by the hands of the UAW.

And I hope for more American made cars too, like Toyota and Honda. Chevy is slowly moving their manufacturing to China.

I'm not too thrilled about the GM either, but I can see them paying serious bucks though to get a promo for the new Camaro...and that would atually make a decent Hot Rod (if you are gonna throw in Scorponok, might as well throw in another post movie character).

The cars I can seen them using are:
new Camaro
Corvette
Saturn Sky or Pontiac Solstice (Sky would be better since it is a European car as well)
Hummer
HHR
and maybe a Cadillac.

The rest suck.

Enigma2K2

04-30-2006, 04:21 PM

The info from Murphy sounds terrific and seems to support the theories in that interview with Michael Bay we saw a bit earlier.

The Michael McConnohie comments disappoint me, as they seem deliberately spoken to enable the GEEWUN foot-stampers we've been trying so hard to settle down since this whole thing started.

I look forward to the new hotness and will no doubt infuriate my wife by making her go with me to multiple screenings.

There's that damn word again... GEEWUN... oh how I hate that... and maybe if they were basing it on the less than stellar RID, Armada, or Cybertron, then we wouldn't complain so much...

... did I mention that I hate that word?

Enigma2K2

04-30-2006, 04:21 PM

and I STILL reserve judgement until the movie's done.

Shaun_C

04-30-2006, 04:28 PM

You know, I'm starting to get a little excited about this. Maybe I'm growing up a little and realize not everything has to be a straight up redeux of G1,I think the Spider-Man and X-Men movies were phenominal (not perfect, but for a sci-fi movie based off a comic book they were incredible), and they, especially X-Men, weren't even close to the original product. I think this may turn out for the best yet!

Good attitude Grimlock_13,see change isn't bad sometimes:D

The reason Spiderman and X-Men did so well is because they stayed true enough to the source material to appeal to the fans.But was written in a way that non-fans could watch the movie without thinking "WTH is going on?"Personally I'd consider it a waste of my money if I bought a movie ticket just to see a live action rehash of what I have on DVD

But since it is supposed to be loosely G1 based

Think of it more like Marvel's Ultimate Spiderman or Ultimate X-Men.

Staying true to what the source is,while changing enough to be enjoyable by fans and non fans a like.In other words while there are G1 nods for the fans.The film is written in a way that if it's been 20 something years since you watched a TF toon.Then you won't be lost

Shaun_C

04-30-2006, 04:32 PM

maybe if they were basing it on the less than stellar RID, Armada, or Cybertron, then we wouldn't complain so much...

Enigma2K2,let's not say anything that would quiet possibly derail this into some sort of argument :)

neospark1

04-30-2006, 04:47 PM

Jesus. I happen to be a -G1- fan. Proud 20 + year collector.

I dislike what I feel to be a snotty attitude that is old and tired.

Don't care to see any more remarks like this again. :horse: :Gouki:

The info from Murphy sounds terrific and seems to support the theories in that interview with Michael Bay we saw a bit earlier.

The Michael McConnohie comments disappoint me, as they seem deliberately spoken to enable the GEEWUN foot-stampers we've been trying so hard to settle down since this whole thing started.

I look forward to the new hotness and will no doubt infuriate my wife by making her go with me to multiple screenings.

Denyer

04-30-2006, 04:58 PM

Dunno what this G1 crap is. Wasn't on any of the toys or comics when I was a kid...

Unless there are spectacularly negative reviews, I'll check out the film. Hopefully it'll be more like HHGTTG (which I thoroughly enjoyed, despite the cries of sacrilege) and less like League (which as far as I can tell was scripted before the comics were done... but also badly acted and full of anachronisms.) I'd rather not get a carbon of MTMTE or Marvel US #1-4.

Backpack

04-30-2006, 05:11 PM

THis has got to be the first time I've been really pleased hearing what 'insiders have to say about the movie.

Like holding Soundwave until the second film, to get the character done right.

That they now understand the significant differencess between the Matrix and Energon.

That Bumblebee has to be a VW and Prime should retain his classic look.

Returning to the traditional TFing sound effects.

To me, it just sounds like they are finally respecting the property and not just making up a whole new universe just for the sake of it. Of course I expect some changes... but Soundwave as a teny-tiny CD player is just going to far from the sourse material.

The only thing that still bothers me a little.... that they are picking the cast of TFs by scenes they want in the movie.

Like the Highway chase... they work in a new Decepticon car, because they want a highway chase sceen. Plus I feel that Scorpy is in the movie for nearly the same reasons. (that's the only reason I can see explaining the odd choice of puting him in the first film)

5 characters from each side...hmm.

Autobots
1. Prime
2. Bumblebee
3. Ratchet (as he's been mentioned since day 1)
4. ??
5. ??

Decepticons
1. Megatron
2. Scorp'y (because he has his own scene)
3. Starscream
4.??
5.??

I'm guessing the last two characters of each side are still up in the air... but the first three of each side are pretty much decided apon. The 'cons are tricky, because I'm sure that the script will call for some Decepticon deaths in this movie.

Starsabrej

04-30-2006, 05:47 PM

"Soundwave might not appear till the second movie"

Wow. So are they planning a second on already?

Superman_Alpha

04-30-2006, 06:10 PM

Superman_Alpha

04-30-2006, 06:29 PM

There's that damn word again... GEEWUN... oh how I hate that... and maybe if they were basing it on the less than stellar RID, Armada, or Cybertron, then we wouldn't complain so much...

... did I mention that I hate that word?

Preach on, brotha. I don't think much of the notion that everything should be 100% accurate to the old cartoon/comic, but the "i'm more mature than you because I got over thinking a 20 year old cartoon was kewl" context of that term is just beyond annoying at this point. It's like some sad loser stand-up comic doing a Monica Lewinsky joke in 2006. People LIKE G1. It is still the most popular TF era, and will always be the one people go back to because it was the first. Get. Over. It.

Shaun_C

04-30-2006, 07:27 PM

It is still the most popular TF era, and will always be the one people go back to because it was the first. Get. Over. It.

Well if it's the most popular era why did it end after 5 years.Yet NOW Transformers are stronger and more popular then G1 ever was?What you said is simply your opinion and nothing more.You shouldn't parade it like it's fact

And apparently you don't know that the Transformers have been mainstream since 1984. Strike three.

Actually Transformers haven't been mainstream in North America since November 1987 when the FINAL 3 episodes aired(the G2 show and the show w/Prime and Tommy Kenedy were a failed attempt to renew interest).Sure the toys were still around till 1990 but like most 80's toys as the decade neared it's end so did TF popularity.

Transformers didn't become mainstream again till September '96 when Beast Wars premiered on YTV. Transformers is DEFINATELY more popular now then it was back then.Considering that back then the show last 3 yrs.And nowadays the fandom's had a decades worth of new TF shows.Keeping the franchise fresh and attracting new people

Infosaur

04-30-2006, 08:22 PM

Cheetatron

04-30-2006, 08:32 PM

I hope they are leaving soundwave out to give a much better role with lots of screentime in the second movie. I will be real dissapointed if its just to give him mass shifting and/or a consumer electronic device altmode.

KillerMel

04-30-2006, 08:38 PM

GetterDragun

04-30-2006, 08:47 PM

GetterDragun

04-30-2006, 08:51 PM

wow, geewuners still get hissy fits, eh? i know it was the first show, but hey... it has animation errors... it's got consistency errors..... it's NOT perfect. heck, i have like a million diaclones, yet i don't think G1 was the best out there, and it obviously wasn't the worst either (that's reserved for BW, especially season 1 :P). and even though i don't support don murphy at all, i do hope he does a pretty good job and doesn't end up freezing the franchise.

now.... i wonder who the 5 cons will be.... so far we know megs and scorponok are there... i'd say screamer is there...maybe astrotrain and shockwave? :P

and the bots... prime, bumblebee....prowl, jazz and ironhide? (hopefully magnus for movie #2 :P)...
aaaaaaaaaaand i can't think anything else with my sleepy head (goes to hug teh pillows)

Remember though, we are Transformers fans. So there are a lot of story lines and fans for each one. You should remember this movie is not being made for us (though are input obviously does matter) and the non Transformers fans know G1...and that's it.

Why do you think on Saturday Night Live they showed G1 Optimus Prime, or on the Family Guy they had G1 Soundwave...cause that's what people remember. That's why this has to stay close to G1...to draw an audience.

Edit: To show my point a little more...found this in someones sig:
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b214/megatronwp38/simpsonformers212.jpg

Superion33

04-30-2006, 09:25 PM

Ya know, I'd like to not further derail the topic at hand here, but I believe you are using politics to bemoan what is clearly a business issue.

GM is made up of a number of smaller divisions that produce a wide array of different vehicles from cars to trucks to SUV's. This includes a new line of Hybrid cars which GM has had in development for a few years. (and untill receintly there hasn't been much of a market that wanted to buy such vehicles.) SUV's on the other hand, have a huge market of people wanting to buy them. It really would be a stupid move to quit making them on GM's part if for no other reason than it's competion would and GM would then lose a ton of money.

To mention only the things about the company that you don't like and to make bold statements that are only half truths only hurts your your position and paints a very negative picture of yourself.

The companies problems with it's retirement obligations are the main reason for the many layoffs and not the the "fact" you stated of them being "unhip" and not a "trend setting company." Your statements are unfounded and based on your opinion of what is cool. I for one think most of the little cars that the kids all trick out today (as seen in the Fast and Furious movies) suck and pale next to '60's/'70's muscle cars. And yes, that's MY opinion.

Uhhhh, when did I ever say that the imports were angels? I NEVER said or implied that the imports were perfect. Everyone has their flaws. I only pointed out that GM was the worst of the bunch. You can argue that all the cars are guilty of poor gas mileage but GM was the worst culprit of the bunch. It banked on SUVs and is now going to die by SUVs.

(On a side note you could also debate the merits of whether the advertising and marketing campaigns of the SUV-reliant car companies made people want to buy SUVs. Its a chicken and egg argument there. Did the ads make people want big SUVs or did the people start to prefer SUVs more?

How is this political at all? This has nothing to do with parties or politics. This is a debate on economics if anything.

Finally, your last argument that GM also has a hybrid is misleading. True, they might have a hybrid that will hit the road in a year or so, but only because the BOUGHT the technology from Toyota. They licensed it when they realized that they have to play catch up and when they saw that people would actually pay for a hybrid.

I do agree that "hip" and "trend setting" are merely opinions but I'd bet major money if a survey were done, which company is more hip - Toyota, Honda, Ford, or GM.

There is a reason for my bashing GM. I don't want our GOOD Transformers name associated with their BAD company. It makes sense from a product placement standpoint for Hasbro also. Do you really want the Alt mode of an Autobot to be of a vehicle made by a company that is Bankrupt and filed for bankruptcy protection?

Razerwire

04-30-2006, 09:31 PM

Guys, let's settle down a bit and keep it on topic...

Superion33

04-30-2006, 09:36 PM

I think I got it:

Autobots
1. Prime (Mack Frieghtliner)
2. Bumblebee (V-dub)
3. Ratchet (ambulance)
(plus)
4. Ironhide (pickup truck)
5. Jazz (sports car)

And why the hating on GM?

Did you know the new "gas guzzler" SUV's all offer Displacement on Demand? They can achive up to 28mpg which for a full size truck is Damn good!

Also I'm sorry to inform you, but many buisnesses NEED/USE pickups and SUV's. Would you prefer they use the older tech which only gets 15 mpg?

Also it does raise the question, are we assuming that all the TF's will be based on NEW vehicles?

GM might not have the best vehicles right now, but they have a 100 year history to draw on.

I've often speculated on TF's based on cars from other periods (the 60's era dinobots for example) so there are lots of wild cars to choose from.

You are talking about maybe 5 percent of the population that actually uses their trucks/SUVs for the purposes they were designed for. I don't intend for companies to start switching to hybrids when a truck is what gets the job done. All I know is that most of the people who own these behemoths don't use them for anything but commuting. They sit in the parking lots outside of corporations.

Why do people always talk about this small percent of the population when trying to defend SUVs. Yes, SUVs and trucks have a purpose. Granted. I am all for them owning SUVs. I just don't agree with people who own SUVs as a status symbol. I don't agree with people who own SUVs because they think its safer. Thats a slippery slope. SUVs 5 years ago were supposedly safer because they were bigger. People assumed in a crash that the bigger car will be safer. Those SUVs were smaller then but have gotten bigger as people keep on trying to "one up" the last guy in terms of the biggest car. When is it going to end? When we are all driving tanks with armor?

Razerwire

04-30-2006, 09:38 PM

You are talking about maybe 5 percent of the population that actually uses their trucks/SUVs for the purposes they were designed for. I don't intend for companies to start switching to hybrids when a truck is what gets the job done. All I know is that most of the people who own these behemoths don't use them for anything but commuting. They sit in the parking lots outside of corporations.

Why do people always talk about this small percent of the population when trying to defend SUVs. Yes, SUVs and trucks have a purpose. Granted. I am all for them owning SUVs. I just don't agree with people who own SUVs as a status symbol. I don't agree with people who own SUVs because they think its safer. Thats a slippery slope. SUVs 5 years ago were supposedly safer because they were bigger. People assumed in a crash that the bigger car will be safer. Those SUVs were smaller then but have gotten bigger as people keep on trying to "one up" the last guy in terms of the biggest car. When is it going to end? When we are all driving tanks with armor?
Stop... This is completely off topic... Please do not derail it any further... Thanks...

That goes for everyone else as well...

wljk

04-30-2006, 09:42 PM

As for GM I can see it, if they get all of the car companies at once, each one would want preferential treatment over the others. Start with one or two then step up in the next movie.

Now if they were to have Kup in the second movie, all they would have to do is call me, I think I have somthing that would work. I'd have to put the old fenders and tailgate back on but this would be close.

http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/show_image.pl?bg=FFFFFF&image=http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/2116000-2116999/2116489_9_full.jpg

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Brodimus Prime

04-30-2006, 10:03 PM

Well, I wouldn't say I'm a "GEEEWUUUUN FANBOY" or whatever you guys call em, but G1 is my favorite series, and I wanted this to be a G1 movie all along. So those comments by Micahel McConnehie(deliberate or not) excite me. I remember when Micahel was working on RiD and deliberately tried to get Neil Kaplan to make his Prime as authoritative as Cullen's Prime. So his comments really excite me.

Good to know that some of that stuff we heard earlier in the week isn't set in stone. Some of it was nice, but has been a lot of uproar on this and other boards about it. Anyways, it sounds like they're doing all they can to accomodate the fans' wants and needs. They may change some things (ok, the WILL change things), but I do think that the people involved are doing all they can to make a good film.

Don won't see it if BB is a Camero?! That's classic! Yay for Volkswagons and Dan Gilvezan!

Transbot90210

04-30-2006, 10:53 PM

Honestly the only reason I can see them being true to G1 is because it was the ONLY series that used real cars. Some may say RID also did it but lets call a spade a spade, Aside from the car brothers the rest of the Autobots are vehicles not seen in North American society. And all the decepticons were G1 figures.

As for over 50% of this thread being pro or anti GM...give it a rest and put your loyal American hearts aside. There is no real debate to be had. Simple Hollywood fact, if GM was mentioned it means they secured a deal with GM and to date are making all autobots GM cars. YOu think it matters to anyone that all the autobots are GM cars??? NO, DAMN HELL NO, if every last TF fan (and I mean fan not people who say "oh i remeber prime) went and saw the movie 10 times each and no one else did; say good bye to the franchise and to any chances of a sequel. Hollywood films are made to make money and to attract MASS audiences. Its The film INDUSTRY people...show BUSINESS. This movie needs to be made so any tom dick or jane can go watch it, be introduced to it and enjoy the film without needing 20 years of history behind it.

SO why stick with anything that has to do with anything old about Transformers?? Simple, a property does not survive for 20+ years for no reason. Back in 84 something was done right and why change something that ain't broke? There are only a small number of things you need to keep this franchise working in the live action film medium. Prime leads the autobots. Megatron leads the decepticons. And formost the symbols...they rock and it would be just plain stupid to change them. The market research was done on these symbols 20 years back and they are now time tested and true. Anything else can be changed and the movie will still survive and possibly thrive but only if done well. Like honestly who would really care if BB is a VW bug or not aside from memebers of our community? The only reason I would like to see him as a bug is because BB is not a high ranking character, he is basically the human relations guy on the team and the bug just fits his character...not because he is BB from G1 and in G1 BB was a VW but because the car would suit his function. He can really be any other small car but the VW would be a much appreciated nod to the fans.

As a person involved in the film industry as long as you hold true to the basics and have a strong (and I stress strong) script everything else doesnt matter. To all you die hard G1 people go kiss Don's feet for any other nod he sends our way because it is a privilege not a right to have it in the film.

By all means yay or nay about the direction the film is going but be sure to realise it is your own personal opinion and really doesn't mean squat...forgive me a moment but I am going to be as harsh to most of you as you are to DON....I read a lot of fan fics..these pieces of transformers lore that people deem(mainly the writer) to be a perfect inclusion to the universe...Ill be honest, most of it sucks!! If they were to be used to make a film I would no longer have the pleasure of collecting TFs cuz you would kill the franchise. I do want to say I have read good stuff too , some very good, but for the most part it sucks and I know its these people crying that they could do a better job.

There is a lot of business sense invovled in putting together a film based on an old franchise. Being a fan is not enough and having total knowledge of everything transformers is more of a downfall than a positive attribute. So far I like the way the property is being handled and the fact that the fans are being taken into consideration rocks. They used this formula with Spidey and the Xmen (keep the basics change the rest) and so far we are 5 films for 5 (for me anyway)

To sum up this long winded rant. Bitch is you must but remember the business side of it all. It is a movie for the mass world audience not some flick made to be shown at TF cons.

Thanx
Transbot90210

Enigma2K2

04-30-2006, 10:55 PM

Enigma2K2,let's not say anything that would quiet possibly derail this into some sort of argument :)

... you mean like the GEEWUN crack?

... and I'm only stating that I hate the word "GEEWUN"! It's a frickin' stupid looking, made up word, and it rubs me the wrong way... that's all I was complaining about!

llamatron

04-30-2006, 11:05 PM

Enigma2K2,let's not say anything that would quiet possibly derail this into some sort of argument :)

:rolleyes2

Minor sidetrack that still relates to the primary topic at hand: Geewun is generally a sarcastic term associated with those who are not only die-hard G1 fans, but die-hard G1 fans who refuse to accept any change or shower. You can often see them telling people that the film should be a scene for scene reconstruction of MTMTE parts 1-3.

The point is, we all love G1 (well, most of us do), but this film will really very different.

The panel news is all pretty good, it's a shame there was no solid discussion about all that crazy crap that popped up recently. I don't know about everyone else, but I almost find it slightly disturbing (and also very relieving) that they're 3 weeks off starting filming and the script is still no way near done.

neospark1

04-30-2006, 11:07 PM

Shaun,

You are SO close to sounding like THE KID from The Kid & His Mom that scares people at the Botcons.

:wink:

Well if it's the most popular era why did it end after 5 years.Yet NOW Transformers are stronger and more popular then G1 ever was?What you said is simply your opinion and nothing more.You shouldn't parade it like it's fact

Actually Transformers haven't been mainstream in North America since November 1987 when the FINAL 3 episodes aired(the G2 show and the show w/Prime and Tommy Kenedy were a failed attempt to renew interest).Sure the toys were still around till 1990 but like most 80's toys as the decade neared it's end so did TF popularity.

Transformers didn't become mainstream again till September '96 when Beast Wars premiered on YTV. Transformers is DEFINATELY more popular now then it was back then.Considering that back then the show last 3 yrs.And nowadays the fandom's had a decades worth of new TF shows.Keeping the franchise fresh and attracting new people

Enigma2K2

04-30-2006, 11:09 PM

and I don't care what continuity the movie's based on... I just want it to be good.

For example, I'm a G1junkie, and yet.. I enjoyed the Prelude to Energon game...

NIDARAM12

04-30-2006, 11:16 PM

"He mentioned that though the designs are diffrent theyre more realistic, they are what a vehicle would look like transformed, also saying that the characters would have to be reminicent of their old selves so that we could recognise them."

i really hope they go the Alternators route with some mechy looking arms and legs. I mean, there are a few of the toys that have full interiors, AND bulky limbs. if they are all Citroen-formers I'm going to be pissed. that thing didnt look bulky and menacing at all. I mean, theres only SO MANY mechanical parts to a car, you need to have some "foreign robot parts" stuffed in there besides the head and hands.

Does anyone else feel this way?

Infosaur

04-30-2006, 11:18 PM

Like honestly who would really care if BB is a VW bug or not aside from memebers of our community? The only reason I would like to see him as a bug is because BB is not a high ranking character, he is basically the human relations guy on the team and the bug just fits his character...not because he is BB from G1 and in G1 BB was a VW but because the car would suit his function. He can really be any other small car but the VW would be a much appreciated nod to the fans.
Transbot90210

Well I mean,,, BumbleBee. is a yellow (and black) plump, curvey, insect that's mostly harmless. (they don't sting like wasps and hornets). A VW Bug, is a fuel efficent, awkward yet cute, curvy little econocar with barely any performance to speak of (although it could be argued they are a danger to their passengers).

So excuse me if I can't picture BumbleBee as a Green Chevy Avalanche.

(oh yeah and :horse: http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?p=648577#post648577)

Silver Bullit

04-30-2006, 11:28 PM

Silver Bullit

04-30-2006, 11:30 PM

Well I mean,,, BumbleBee. is a yellow (and black) plump, curvey, insect that's mostly harmless. (they don't sting like wasps and hornets).

Apparently you've never been nailed by one. Those sonsofb*tches can hurt.

SB

Autobot_Goldbug

04-30-2006, 11:38 PM

I don't know why people would be negative about GM's involvement in the movie.

Oh GM cars are crap! :puke: A few friends of mine had some GM cars. If you ever need any warranty work at all you are SOL!
If you sell your car and had paid for extra warranty. You need to threaten to sue before they return your money.
No to mention all of the problems their cars had! Their experiences have influenced me NEVER to buy a GM car.
I'm sure if you buy a Corvette or any high price car GM will take care of you much better.

GM might not have the best vehicles right now, but they have a 100 year history to draw on.

Apparently they had not learned anything at all in that span. I remember seeing a History Channel spot on seatbelts. GM was one of the companies who fought against seatbelts! Basicly all you needed to do according to GM was to frimly grip your steering wheel not to be thrown out of the vehicle.

I'm sorry if GM is too involved I'm going to predict this movie will suck!
I am very sad to hear about GM.
I am also sad to hear that their will only be 5 bots & 5 cons.
Is that the number we are going to actually see? Or actual main characters? Do they mean no large battle scenes on Cybertron?

Infosaur

04-30-2006, 11:48 PM

Apparently they had not learned anything at all in that span. I remember seeing a History Channel spot on seatbelts. GM was one of the companies who fought against seatbelts! Basicly all you needed to do according to GM was to frimly grip your steering wheel not to be thrown out of the vehicle.

:lol

I was thinking more along the lines of 60's muscle cars, 50's Caddys and just about any Corvette.

Pre-war Chevy race cars (OOO Mirage as a pre war Indy car! http://www.helloindianapolis.com/indianapolis/images/Indy%20500%201938.jpg):rock

Also old Saabs, Opels, and Holdens could also be drawn on.

Straycat

04-30-2006, 11:56 PM

Let's hope more car companies get involved.

Enigma2K2

05-01-2006, 12:04 AM

I find it humorous that the non-G1ers expect the GEEWUNers to like something aside from G1... but get oh-so upset if there are G1 referenced being made.

They demand the GEWUNners to adjust, but are unwilling to do so themselves.

SB

F@(k, there it is again...

I mean, come on... if they can stop us from posting about Armada Prime's weight problem, can't they put a stop to this?

cefuroxx

05-01-2006, 12:06 AM

So ummmm....who thinks the green and purple battlestation scorponok will be in this movie?

Silver Bullit

05-01-2006, 12:12 AM

... you mean like the GEEWUN crack?

... and I'm only stating that I hate the word "GEEWUN"! It's a frickin' stupid looking, made up word, and it rubs me the wrong way... that's all I was complaining about!

GEEWUN is a sophomoric phrase for the sole purpose of insult and disrespect.

SB

Silver Bullit

05-01-2006, 12:14 AM

F@(k, there it is again...

I mean, come on... if they can stop us from posting about Armada Prime's weight problem, can't they put a stop to this?

Hey Enigma2k2:

GEEWUN

:lol

Meh... perhaps the GEEWUNERS should revive the word ARMADIOT.

SB

Silver Bullit

05-01-2006, 12:25 AM

Well if it's the most popular era why did it end after 5 years.Yet NOW Transformers are stronger and more popular then G1 ever was?What you said is simply your opinion and nothing more.You shouldn't parade it like it's fact

Actually Transformers haven't been mainstream in North America since November 1987 when the FINAL 3 episodes aired(the G2 show and the show w/Prime and Tommy Kenedy were a failed attempt to renew interest).Sure the toys were still around till 1990 but like most 80's toys as the decade neared it's end so did TF popularity.

Transformers didn't become mainstream again till September '96 when Beast Wars premiered on YTV. Transformers is DEFINATELY more popular now then it was back then.Considering that back then the show last 3 yrs.And nowadays the fandom's had a decades worth of new TF shows.Keeping the franchise fresh and attracting new people

Man... I've seen a lot of desperation but this one takes the tamale!

First, TF's are popular now BECAUSE of the G1 beginning... not despite of it. Sheesh!

Then there's a crack about it only being around 5 years. So... how long has Armada been around? A couple? How about Energon? A couple? Cybertron? A couple years now.

Seems to me that 5 years is longer than a couple.

Ooh-ooh- I get it! Armada, Energon and Cybertron are all the same saga, and together they are longer than G1's 5 years.

But, if I apply that same logic, then I guess I would have to take G1's 5 years, add the lame-assed G2 revival to make something like 7 years, then add the other continuation called Beast Wars to make a total of 10 years, and then the steaming pile of crap called Beast Machines for a total of 12 years.

Soooo... do we really wish to play this childish game?

GEEWUNners and ARMADIOTS.

SB

Silver Bullit

05-01-2006, 12:26 AM

So ummmm....who thinks the green and purple battlestation scorponok will be in this movie?

I personally don't... but it would be really cool.

SB

Soundwave.ca

05-01-2006, 01:06 AM

Didn't read any of the replies in this post as I'm too tired but just to clarify Don Murphy stated that the classic TF sound was still being considered, so weather it makes it in or not is still up in the air, Murphy himself wants the sound in the movie but he stated a lot of the higher ups dont so who knows.

Also GM will be doing ALL the non-military vehicles, so all cars and such will be GM and only GM.

Also Soundwave is still being considered, the feeling I got is he will probably end up being left out, but again that's just my gut feeling after him hearing talk about it. Also he mentioned Soundwave being a CD player or MP3 player or something similar. Thats why he may get pushed out to a sequel (presuming one gets made) as Don stated they didn't want to introduce "mass shifting" right away as not to confuse people. As well as apparently Hasbro did do up some proto's for Soundwave as a CD player and said they actually made it work pretty well too.

Also with the toys Murphy also stated that Habro will also be making toys of characters that are in the movie only, so with the toys its movie characters only.

Silver Bullit

05-01-2006, 01:21 AM

As for the classic TFing sound effect... it was fine for the cartoon... but would it work for a film? It would be interesting to see.

Personally, the more realistic mechanical sound from BW would be acceptable.

SB

Dio

05-01-2006, 01:22 AM

There's that damn word again... GEEWUN... oh how I hate that...

The term originated to describe irrational fans who believe that no TF property will ever match up to the greatness of the 1984 original series. Note my use of the word "irrational" - they seemed to come out of the woodwork en masse because of the Don Murphy forums giving them a sense of authority over the intricacies of the movie, and really make asses of themselves with their extremely closed-minded demands.

Note, nowhere in this description do I express any sort of problem with fans of the original series. I may not call it my personal favorite, but likewise I wouldn't expect everyone to say Beast Machines is the greatest series out there (which I personally believe, despite having grown up with every series from G1 onward).

Staying true to what the source is,while changing enough to be enjoyable by fans and non fans a like.

Staying true to the source is important, and I would fully expect a generous amount of homages, inside jokes, etc that only people who watched the original series would catch. Keep Optimus a semi truck, by all means, because that's what he is recognized as. Give him good lines and a voice that fits his character, and most of us will be nothing but pleased.

The GEEWUN demands he be that exact model and color of freightliner as in 1984, with the exact same transformation, and Cullen voicing him or they will boycott the movie.

I dislike what I feel to be a snotty attitude that is old and tired.

Again, I say this isn't directed at the G1 fans. It's directed at the obsessive, demanding, closed-minded idiots who consistently give them a bad name. Look at Don Murphy's "last" post on his forum - it basically amounted to "I gave you all this great opportunity to communicate your ideas to me, and all we ended up with after several months of squabbling is 'Cullen and Welker are absolutely necessary to some, but otherwise approved by all.'"

the "i'm more mature than you because I got over thinking a 20 year old cartoon was kewl" context of that term is just beyond annoying at this point. It's like some sad loser stand-up comic doing a Monica Lewinsky joke in 2006. People LIKE G1. It is still the most popular TF era, and will always be the one people go back to because it was the first. Get. Over. It.

Please locate where I said that and link me to it. I've been nothing but supportive of G1 roots and homages since the movie idea first surfaced. I'm just open to the fact that some creative license, as well as updates and "tweaks" may be necessary to make this a successful and enjoyable movie franchise, and sick of hearing the "my 1984 way, or the highway!" rants.

Why do you think on Saturday Night Live they showed G1 Optimus Prime, or on the Family Guy they had G1 Soundwave...cause that's what people remember. That's why this has to stay close to G1...to draw an audience.

"Close to G1" doesn't have to be an exact copy though. We've had several Optimus Primes (and even a Primal Prime) since then that all evoked images of the original, while still providing fresh new takes on the Autobot leader. I would be strongly against making a black and purple Optimus Prime that turns into a fighter jet. But a new semi that evokes the original and has the necessary recognizable features will be fantastic and contribute a fresh new look to the character.

I find it humorous that the non-G1ers expect the GEEWUNers to like something aside from G1... but get oh-so upset if there are G1 referenced being made.

I expect fans to not act like petty, demanding asshats over a film that has more than just their personal interests in mind.

They are pretty much the reason our equestrian friend below became popular enough to add to the emoticon list. That should say something.
:horse:

Michael McConnohie's comments (what exactly does he have to do with the movie, anyhow? Can someone clarify that for me?) seemed to cater to the notion that this movie could work as a direct rehash of everything 1984. Like the following example:
"Bumblebee will always be a Volkswagon that's the character ,and Dan Gilvezan (G1 voice actor) is Bumblebee."

I am strongly in favor of Bumblebee being a VW Bug, because the name and the character's personality both fit that type of car. However, if he was a sporty yellow Mustang with black racing stripes (a vision that screams "bee") I would not boycott the movie over it, especially if it was due to a licensing issue that couldn't be resolved legally. And what if Dan Gilvezan didn't make the cut as a voice actor 20 years later? Some, like Chris Latta, are definitely unavailable, and no one has problems with finding a good, fitting Starscream voice to replace him (such as Michael Dobson), so why should still-available voice actors be any different? Best person for the job, I say, and if the G1 VA's are that person than I'm behind that decision 100%. McConnohie's comment does not reflect any of this open-mindedness, and unfortunately represents a very vocal group of fans who will not allow for anything other than their set-in-stone viewpoints.

GEEWUN does not equal "G1 Fan." It never has, and never will. It's meant to patronize and demean those fans who are irrational, arrogant and childish about the TF franchise and its roots in the original series. You don't need to take offense unless you fall under that description, and I've never labeled anyone specifically by that title because I'm not here to pick a fight. I just don't like seeing the childish behavior that has pretty much convinced Don Murphy, the producer of a major motion picture focused on a franchise we are very much in love with, that we're a bunch of idiots who can't reach a concensus on anything because everyone has to have it their way.

Razerwire

05-01-2006, 01:30 AM

That's it, we're done...

I wanted to keep this open... Really... I did... But apparently there are some who CAN'T TAKE A HINT about keeping it on topic...

So unless Admin wants to reopen it, I'm shutting it down for the time being...

Super_Megatron

05-01-2006, 08:18 AM

Some have have been removed from posting in this specific thread, lets keep things on topic.

Nightslyr

05-01-2006, 09:05 AM

Color me excited for the movie.

I'm happy that they're thinking about holding Soundwave back for the second movie. I'd rather see him done right or not at all.

I'm happy they're willing to audition the G1 voice actors. In my perfect world, Cullen would be Prime, Kaye would be Megs. Welker is too cartoony, IMO.

I would rather have Bumblebee as some small, awkward car than a Camero. Bumblebee has never been a sportscar to my knowledge, and I don't think it would fit well. If a VW can't be used, I like the idea someone else posted about him being a Gremlin.

I think a perfect vehicle mode for Ironhide would be a 1984 pickup truck. Something strong, made with good American steel, but a bit beat-up. I think it would be a clever nod to the fans, as well.

Screamer as a F-22 will be interesting to see. I wonder if they'll try to mimic his grey-red-blue G1 paint scheme. To get those colors to be believable, maybe in the movie the Thunderbirds are no longer F-16s, but are F-22s instead?

I do hope that there's a decent amount of Transformer dialogue in the movie. It would be a shame if Prime said hardly more than "Give it up, Megatron!"

Dio

05-01-2006, 09:18 AM

Considering the GM presence, as well as the high military presence in the movie, I would not be surprised if we see a Hummer somewhere in that mix. Wasn't there rumor of an Alt Hummer a while back that never materialized?

Primus

05-01-2006, 10:23 AM

seems to me this 1973 saab v4 would make for a pretty good bumblebee. GM has soooo many lines it would be stupid for them not to be used.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.prylbanken.se/images/Prylbanken.se-img_Bilar-Saab_V4_1973_Special-Saljes_Pris_7500_kr_4095.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.prylbanken.se/annonser/bilar/saab_v4_1973_special_saljes/openAd/d02648b93873a84e0c018995306e906b/&h=549&w=732&sz=50&tbnid=Ul3oJHEc1uMehM:&tbnh=104&tbnw=139&hl=en&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3D1973%2Bsaab%2Bv4%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-US

kevbayer

05-01-2006, 12:30 PM

I'm glad Mr. Murphy was treated well... he seems to have formed a poor opinion of fandom based on his online experiences, so maybe he'll have a better view of us now. :thumb

If Mr. Murphy (Don, not his father) has had such a bad experience with online fans, maybe the online fans should band together and send him a nice note of thanks with all of our signatures or usernames or something, along with a thank you gift, like a signed profesionally printed pic of Boombox or something, along with the website logo.

kevbayer

05-01-2006, 12:32 PM

I'm happy they're willing to audition the G1 voice actors. In my perfect world, Cullen would be Prime, Kaye would be Megs. Welker is too cartoony, IMO.

Gotta agree with that! I love watching the old G1 cartoons and hearing Megs voice coming from Rumble occasionally :D

Primus

05-01-2006, 12:35 PM

After looking, a 70's Chevelle would make for a good bumblebee as well.

Cheetatron

05-01-2006, 12:48 PM

Why not just make bumblebee a contemporary sports car they tend to be pretty compact anyways

KillerMel

05-01-2006, 01:36 PM

like a mini cooper with the super british accent? :D i'd laugh at it, but i wouldn't poop a fort max sized brick about it :P

Xcandescent

05-01-2006, 02:43 PM

Also GM will be doing ALL the non-military vehicles, so all cars and such will be GM and only GM.Where was this stated? That directly contradicts the notion that VW is trying to get in the mix.

-XCN-

Ops_was_a_truck

05-01-2006, 03:30 PM

The only Bumblebee news that really disappoints me is the idea of Bumblebee being mute/deaf and only being able to communicate with his radio (or however that was written up, I just remember reading it the first time I went through this thread.)

...that would be pretty bothersome. I've always like Bumblebee as the plucky little sidekick character who can always get his way into and out of trouble. It's a fun archetypal character and one that's not currently filled by any of the other 5 archetype Autobot characters they've chosen (Prime the heroic leader, Ratchet the concerned medic, Jazz the cool cat and Ironhide the brusk go-getter).

Superion33

05-01-2006, 05:10 PM

How is talking about GM in the Transformers movie off topic? Can one of the moderators please explain this to me? Its the same as talking about any other aspect of the movie. I am making arguments for why I don't like GM to be the car company for this movie. Others make arguments why they think only Cullen and Welker should be the voices of Optimus Prime and Megatron. How is this political?

REDLINE

05-01-2006, 05:52 PM

because instead of talking about the MOVIE, everyone was arguing about whether or not GM sucked/ruled. you can say you are disappointed by the agreement with GM for the movie, and give your reasons why, but to bash or argue with someone else over it derails the thread. the main point is to keep things civil, orderly, and on-topic :)

Andy

Ops_was_a_truck

05-01-2006, 05:58 PM

Superion33

05-01-2006, 06:10 PM

Ok, I'll join that other thread. But I still don't see the difference. People talk all the time about how Cullen or Welker suck/rule. I don't see how a discussion can happen about what kinda cars the Transformers would be without talking about the company that makes them.

Just for reference, I hope all other discussions of this type are censored in the same manner from now on. You have to treat everything fairly after all. When people talk about how crappy the Scion xB is for an Alternator, I think that thread should also be derailed.

Razerwire

05-01-2006, 06:18 PM

Just for reference, I hope all other discussions of this type are censored in the same manner from now on. You have to treat everything fairly after all. When people talk about how crappy the Scion xB is for an Alternator, I think that thread should also be derailed.
You don't make the rules... Neither do I... But I'm here to make sure they are enforced...

So when I feel that a thread in MY forum gets derailed, I or a fellow mod/supermod/admin will make the judgement on what is deemed irrelevant or not... Not you or anyone else for that matter...

I asked POLITELY to NOT further pursue the derailing of the topic... And yet people didn't listen...

Soundwave.ca

05-01-2006, 06:23 PM

Where was this stated? That directly contradicts the notion that VW is trying to get in the mix.

-XCN-

Directly from Don Murphy’s mouth, at TransformersCon.

Rodimus

05-01-2006, 07:35 PM

The Michael McConnohie comments disappoint me, as they seem deliberately spoken to enable the GEEWUN foot-stampers we've been trying so hard to settle down since this whole thing started.

Micheal McConnohie had it EXACTLY right, and he gave a GREAT example to support his logic. If something works, why change it for the sole sake of changing it just so ONE or 2 individuals can have their own personal stamp on it? Where as it has already been popular as is and so important to so many? Why run the risk of making it LESS popular by changing so many things that don't need changed.

And the reaction in that room is a good general indication of the audience this film will reach. EVERY one in the real world (who don't come online and follow every piece of news) that I talk to about this movie
and Transformers have the EXACT same expectations of Transformers as those in that room and what Michael McConnohie said. So why make it into some thing that it's not? That would spell disaster for the movie and the franchise.

I applaud both Michael and Don for their firm stance. Bumbleebee is NOT a sports car! As much as I like camero, bumble be is NOT a camero!

Some things sound good to me, but the fact that some are trying to change things so drastically genuinly worries me for the success rate of this film.

If you alienate the fans and those who remember transformers, all you're left with is empty space. And thus, an angry target audience and constant bad reviews via word of mouth. That spells failure.

Good things I read....
Don wants Bumblebee to be a Volkswagon or a little car of the like...

Cullen and Welker are getting their chance

They are determined on MAKING SURE they get Soundwave right, thus delaying his appearance if need be.

Great Action scenes

THE CLASSIC TRANSFORMING NOISE! :D :D :D :rock

Soundwave's voice

BAD STUFF...
Bumblebee a camero???? :banghead:

Prime a long nose truck? :banghead: (THE Optimus Prime, hero of all Primes, willl always be a flat nose!)

Causes of confusion and frustration....
What's this stuff about Scorponok when we could have had the great character that Gimlock is?!?! And if you can have beast alt modes, they why not mass shifting?

That really has me frustrated. Grimlock is the Wolverine character of Transformers, and we all know how much Tom and Don loved Wolverine in X-men. Not to mention Spielburg with Dinosaurs thus the Dinobots would be a good fit.

Anyway, I hope it's a very large Scorponok with the headmasters paint scheme. I did enjoy that Scorponok, although they did attempt to give Energon Scorponok more characterisation.

Anyway the Scorponok thing baffles me and the Bumblebee camero thing upsets me. Same with the fact they had to ask about how prime should look and act.

1 other final thought to ponder over... people we need to watch this movie don't eye the internet for every piece of Transformers stuff that comes out so they will not be as bored with the G1 things that they remember with fond memeries as a lot of you TF fanatics, so they will not be looking for new things like some of you here. Rather rekindle and old passion. I guaruntee you that movie trailor with the Transformers name will spark those memories for so many people. The working man will remember when he see's the commercial.

That is the target. They are not like you or I who look for all things TF day in and day out. So they will not be as bored with G1 like some of you here.

There is my post for this week. I will go back to work now.

Take care all.

Shaun_C

05-01-2006, 08:27 PM

Micheal McConnohie had it EXACTLY right, and he gave a GREAT example to support his logic. If something works, why change it for the sole sake of changing it just so ONE or 2 individuals can have their own personal stamp on it?

Change is good sometimes Rodimus,Beast Wars and Beast Machines changed thing and most of the fandom agrees that beast Wars was and excellent show.Other successful updates are Justice League which is an updated version of Superfriends and TMNT '03 and update of the old Ninja Turtles cartoon.And in the case of turtles it's a pretty successful update as it's going on it 4th season

And the reaction in that room is a good general indication of the audience this film will reach. EVERY one in the real world (who don't come online and follow every piece of news) that I talk to about this movie
and Transformers have the EXACT same expectations of Transformers as those in that room and what Michael McConnohie said. So why make it into some thing that it's not? That would spell disaster for the movie and the franchise.

It was change that rekindled the franchise,if everyone had that attitude the Transformer franchise would still be pretty much dead in terms of shows,comics and new toys.And talking about the comics remember Dreamwave,Pat Lee's involvement non-with-standing,according to links Rabidyak posted before the reboot.Dreamwave's G1 series had steadily decreasin numbers in sales.Most likely because the novelty of seeing G1 in printed form again wore off.And that the only ones buying the comic were fans like you and me

1 other final thought to ponder over... people we need to watch this movie don't eye the internet for every piece of Transformers stuff that comes out so they will not be as bored with the G1 things that they remember with fond memeries as a lot of you TF fanatics, so they will not be looking for new things like some of you here. Rather rekindle and old passion. I guaruntee you that movie trailor with the Transformers name will spark those memories for so many people. The working man will remember when he see's the commercial.

Using Beast Wars and Beast Machines as an example again.I enjoyed the shows just fine.I didn't have this "Hey this isn't the transformers I remember" reaction.My reaction was more of "Hey Transformers I remember those,maybe I'll check this show out" reaction

When I saw 4Kids' TMNT I didn't have a knee jerk reaction of "Hey this isn't the Ninja Turtles I remember,Shredder isn't an alien" I just watched the show on it's own merrits without comparing to it's predacesor(sp)

TFs is just Sci-Fi,ever think that some of the people who see this film might be just Sci-Fi fans in general? I didn't watch Star Wars or Batman Begins because I was a fan.I watched it because I'm a fan of the genre in general :) And I bet others are like that too,just that they don't post online or talk about it

Sometimes you need to update things a little to keep it fresh.Hence why the Transformers brand is more successfull now then it was back then.Some things are kept the same while enough is changed to make it interesting

Enigma2K2

05-01-2006, 09:32 PM

Hey Enigma2k2:

GEEWUN

:lol

Meh... perhaps the GEEWUNERS should revive the word ARMADIOT.

SB

Smartass.

Wheels

05-02-2006, 05:24 AM

Those are all very interesting quotes from those who attended the con. :cool:

All in all, on the whole, I think Preparation H feels pretty good...er, I mean the Movie is sounding good so far. :D

Change is good, but retaining enough of it's roots, and having a solid story with action, makes for one blockbuster. :rock

...to be continued.

Ra88

05-02-2006, 05:49 AM

Good things I read....
Don wants Bumblebee to be a Volkswagon or a little car of the like...

Which rocks, although I could love with the Camaro being painted yellow and black.

Cullen and Welker are getting their chance

Cullen good, Welker bad.:wink: Call me crazy, but Welker's Megatron was waaaay to cheesy. Still, I'll accept it if he can pull of a Megatron that sounds like a movie villian (actually menacing), while still having the same raspy voice that G1 Megs had. Or let even someone else do it who can do what I just described, the voice is the heart of the character, not the VA. Catch my drift?

THE CLASSIC TRANSFORMING NOISE! :D :D :D :rock

Which I hope is modified to be realistic. You know, hearing several gears and pistons working while at the core is the classic sound. Old meets new.

Prime a long nose truck? :banghead: (THE Optimus Prime, hero of all Primes, willl always be a flat nose!)

I think that their main concerns are that they won't be able to make a good looking Prime out of a flatnose. In the AICN article it was said that they would mostly use car parts to form the body (like the doors folding into the lower arms, methinks), and there just isn't enough space to work with on a flatnose. A longnose looks far more badass IMO, and offers a lot more room to work with (and it's actually quite easy to still let him have his G1 look, just let the grill slide back to the waist and presto).

Just a couple of things I felt like commenting on. :)

Laser_Optimus

05-02-2006, 11:03 AM

Hmm... I'm keeping a wait and see attitude about all of the news we've heard lately. After all, Don said that the scripts still haven't been finalized yet. So, hey... things can still change for both the good and the bad... and to be honest the script will still be changeable until the movie is actually released in the theatres. Scenes may get cut from the final take of the filma and others might be added... who knows what this films final product will look like?

The only thing that is bothering me to some extant, and it's a small extant, is that they seem to be choosing the Decepticons based on what they want for a particular scene and than just slapping on a name wether it makes sense or not. I mean, sure Scorponok will be badass and I've always liked the character and am very open to new takes on the character, but it seems to me that he's just in the movie so they can do that scene in the middle of the desert with the military... cause you know Bay makes are military look good. :rolleyes2

With the Autobots it seems that they took a look at the core characters and said which characters will make a good core team. Which is great. With the Autobots you seem to have all the basics that you need. Optimus is the leader, Ironhide's the go getter, Bumblebee's the plucky young character, Jazz is the stylish badass and Ratchet is the concerned medic. Of course, this could all get changed later on, but who knows? I feel the 'cons should have been chosen more in this way, but I guess that they're doing it the way they are because, like all comic/cartoon to movie adaptions, they probably plan on killing off a good number of the Decepticons in the first film alone... assuming that they really make enough money to pull off a sequel.

But I'm just going to watch and wait to see what happens.