Transformers going Biomechanical for movie??

[soundwave-maker]

link (http://www.iesb.net/dreamworks2006/022106.php)

How credible are these guys?

[Superman_Alpha]

I dunno. But until you hear it from Don or Michael, just go about your life thinking that no news about the movie is credible. even if the rumors turn out to be right, you'll be far better off having ignored the other 244,678 rumors that we'll get before the movie hits.

[Cory Bauer]

Anyone have the insight to elaborate on exactly what this guy means by Biomechanical? As in there's living cell-based tissue deep inside each Transformer? So instead of Terminator, we have General Grevious from Star Wars?

[Moroni Prime]

I'm not sure who's credible, and who's not, but Transformers are, have always been, and always will be ROBOTS in disguise.

hehe... cyborgs in disguise..... I think not.


*edit* Please note, I was not counting Beast Machines "Beast Changer" (Noble/Savage) in with that, considering he was completely organic.

[Nerd Bomber]

The movie will end with cybertron being reformatted into a green forest.

[Kickback]

Hmm.

If they're thinking of going "biomechanical", then how can early designs "look fucking incredible!"? That's like saying, "The movie is going to suck. But our insider says it looks fucking awesome!"

I get what he's saying. I guess it just confuses me.

[Greyryder]

Meatformers make Primus cry. There are a few things they could do to kill all my interest in this movie. Organic TFs are one of those things.

[Shin Densetsu]

Spike could be biomechanical but the robots themselves? EEk.
I was thinking along the lines of beast wars...but naw....even they were robotic just with animal like surfaces

[Cory Bauer]

I'm not trying to think too hard about this rumor, because there's probably no truth to it, but I don't see how giving Transformers an organic side would make them any more believable. I think with movies like The Matrix, audiences have more than come to terms with the notion of machines that are self-aware and have emotions.

[unafraid]

Will we see the glorious return of a now transforming Robocop? :)

[Orodruin]

C'mon guys, there's absolutely no way in hell this is true. Move along.

[Roller]

Diaclone drivers perhaps? :)

[Feralstorm]

OK... I'm sorry I joked about the movie TFs being designed by H R Giger in another thread! :)

I doubt this rumor is true. Only thing I can figure is a writer thought "living robots" needed organic matter in 'em somewhere, sort of like how the Go-Bots had organic brains in the old Hanna-Barbera cartoon (I heard).

[Ra88]

I think everyone's overreacting. They'll probably just LOOK biomechanic in the same sense that Gundams look like humans. In other words they'll look like the IDW bots, but smoother depending on the character.

And if it's not like that, then it's probably that the 'Sparks' are lifeforms of their own. You know, like in Armada, where it was said that the Transformers only have robotic bodies to protect their true selves?

[Josh]

I think with movies like The Matrix, audiences have more than come to terms with the notion of machines that are self-aware and have emotions.


precisely

not to mention the world has kept spinning 20+ years with Transformers being sentient ROBOTS, not cyborgs

sounds like a bunk rumor to me

[Shin-Gouki]

Didn't you see the press release saying the movie will center around Botanica?

[Vangelus]

Honestly, "biomechanical" could mean "mechanisms that resemble organisms! Like humans!"

[Brave Magnus]

I think this is fake. Biomechanicals TFs is not a good idea and the producers now that if they do that the fans won't spend money at all, at least I wouldn't do it.
But the guy who wrote the article said that fans wil hate than concept but I do remember hating the BM concept and I get use to it so who knows?

And once again: are you really mad if the original G1 actors don't put their voices for the movie?

[Shin-Gouki]

To be completely honest I have no intention of spending one red cent on this movie due to the way the fandom as a whole has been treated in the past by certain people attached to this film.

[Switchblade]

And once again: are you really mad if the original G1 actors don't put their voices for the movie?
No no no. We have enough damn threads about that argument without you bringing it up again here.

I can see the idea of biomechanical TFs being brought up at some point during the writing stage. Hopefully, though, it's not an idea that will make the final cut. I wouldn't freak out and boycott the movie if they did it, but I would just as soon leave the Transformers as wholly mechanical beings (unless we're talking Headmasters).

[Lonewolf]

Anyhow, we'll just have to wait and see

[Longhaul53]

Well... first off, we don't have any idea if the guy who wrote the article is legit. He could be some dude who likes to make up something for the sake of having a story or starting controversy... it wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened.

So, i'm going to take this guy's article with a grain of salt. I'm sure that a Dreamworks art team will have more than enough imagination to come up with something better than the friggin Borg... Hollywood may have some crappy storytellers, crappy directors, crappy actors, and crappity crap... but they sure as hell DO NOT have crappy Concept designers.

I think everyone here has a different idea of what it means when something is regarded as "Biomechanical." Some people imagine "the Borg", some "Aliens", some "Gundam", some "Grievous", etc. It's really hard to lock in a solid opinion of how good or bad the movie will be (visually) when you're limited by your own imagination. If we understood what the Design team was up to, and what was meant by their interpretation of the word "Biomechanical" then we would have every right to beat them down with sacks of pennies... or commend them for doing a great job...

i'm going to go take a nap.

[Insane Galvatron]

"Biomechanical" could very well mean that it's a living metal. Composed of cells and such, only based on some sort of metal compound instead of carbon like we are. Thus able to flex and bend without damage. It'd give the TF's more fluid motion and more human characteristics, thus more relatable.

I doubt they're gonna put meat in a robot.

[Ruination04]

Meatformers make Primus cry. There are a few things they could do to kill all my interest in this movie. Organic TFs are one of those things.

Yep....that about sums it up for me too..

[unafraid]

To be completely honest I have no intention of spending one red cent on this movie due to the way the fandom as a whole has been treated in the past by certain people attached to this film.

It's them doing the movie, not the fandom.

[MegaMoonMan]

If they had organic brains locked in their bodies somewhere, that wouldn't kill it for me.

If they did some pretender nonsense, like a terminator covered with skin, that would probably kill it, unless they only did it once to hide, and had to rip it all off to transform in a time of need.

If they turn into stupid shit like furry bunnies, and somehow morph into furry robots, THAT would kill it.

[Ra88]

If they had organic brains locked in their bodies somewhere, that wouldn't kill it for me.

If they did some pretender nonsense, like a terminator covered with skin, that would probably kill it, unless they only did it once to hide, and had to rip it all off to transform in a time of need.

If they turn into stupid shit like furry bunnies, and somehow morph into furry robots, THAT would kill it.

Actually, I could see Grimlock being an organic T-Rex. It could be Lost World all over again. :D

[Shin-Gouki]

It's them doing the movie, not the fandom.


Perhaps you were not present when the blatant disrespect was shoved at us on a certain person attached to this movie's person board?

True it's them doing the movie not us, however treating us like shit is not going to sell tickets.

[Twin Twist]

Lets not dig this up again eh?

[Steevy Maximus]

eh?
Stop trying to be Canadian, that's Super Megs' Job :p

As far as this "news", I'd give it a grain of salt I give any of this stuff. I'm not entirely unconviced it's some goober who is just stirring things up for the hell of it.

As far as the "treatment of the fandom"...
:horse: <--I heart this smiley

[Sepultron]

IF it's true, I'm afraid that the comment might be in reference to the robots' FACES, which is something I have feared ever since the announcement of the project: I can just imagine them scanning the face of a famous modern actor (who they will also use for the voice), coloring the image a metallic silver, then slapping it onto a robotic body. Transformers with teeth is bad enough (though they could kinda get away with it in Beast Wars), but if they're going to have curvy noses, nostrils, eyelids, etc., not to mention the face of George Clooney (YES I KNOW THAT RUMOR IS FALSE- PLEASE DON'T BOTHER POINTING IT OUT- I'M JUST USING THE NAME AS AN EXAMPLE), it's just not going to look very good. At all.

Now I'm going to sit here the rest of the day and try to restrain myself from ordering Galaxy Force Primus.

[Ray Kremer]

The neural circuitry used on the USS Voyager springs to mind. But yeah, they can get by with full robots easy. It's not like Spider-Man where they gave him the organic webshooters because a student inventing the mechanical ones strains believability outside of decades-old comic books.

[Shaun_C]

The neural circuitry used on the USS Voyager springs to mind. But yeah, they can get by with full robots easy. It's not like Spider-Man where they gave him the organic webshooters because a student inventing the mechanical ones strains believability outside of decades-old comic books.

Reps to you Ray :D

Personally organic webbing is MUCH more believeable the the artificial webbing.Plus it makes Spiderman more like a true mutant.

And on the subject of biomechanical robots

Weren't Maximal protoforms nanite based? And isn't nanite technology biomechanic in and of itself?

Personally I think people are taking it WAY too litterally.It's probaly not as bad as it sounds

[Golden Age]

well Transformers are Cybernetic lifeforms. Shown in griim detail in TF Zone when Predakings brain has exposed.
According to the show, they were made by the Quintessons, who are obviously cyborgs.
They have had interludes with the Battle Beasts who are cyborgs.
The 3rd season had an episode that showed cybernetic creatures locked in the core of cybertron.
Beast Wars featured a greater advancment in Cybernetics. And I seem to recall that in the end of Beast machines Cybertron turned green again.

[Cheebs]

It's not like Spider-Man where they gave him the organic webshooters because a student inventing the mechanical ones strains believability outside of decades-old comic books.
I love how Hollywood does stuff like that. Because, ya know, I can totally buy the "realism" of a bite from a radioactive spider changing your DNA, but a student inventing something that's impossible to invent just somehow crosses that "realism" line. Makes perfect sense to me! :p

[Ops_was_a_truck]

Ugh. This is one of the reasons that I don't like Mike Bay - his directorial vision continues to seem unilaterally slanted towards what he wants. I'll acknowledge that his name alone would sell just about any film project, but it's frustrating to hear an idea like this. Thus far, as the source article and everyone else have noted, it's just a rumor. But I wouldn't put a stupid idea like this past Bay.

Transformers are robots - giant, basic-shape, articulated machines with panels and plating - in disguise as cars, airplanes and machinery. You need look no further than Gundam, the Transformers mythos itself, the weapons of death in the Terminator films or mecha-Godzilla for a frame of reference.

The Transformers are not Borg. They never have been. In my opinion, this is a horrible idea and not the best suggestion to arise in the reinvention of the Transformers for the big screen.

[Feralstorm]

IF it's true, I'm afraid that the comment might be in reference to the robots' FACES, which is something I have feared ever since the announcement of the project: I can just imagine them scanning the face of a famous modern actor (who they will also use for the voice), coloring the image a metallic silver, then slapping it onto a robotic body. Transformers with teeth is bad enough (though they could kinda get away with it in Beast Wars), but if they're going to have curvy noses, nostrils, eyelids, etc., not to mention the face of George Clooney (YES I KNOW THAT RUMOR IS FALSE- PLEASE DON'T BOTHER POINTING IT OUT- I'M JUST USING THE NAME AS AN EXAMPLE), it's just not going to look very good. At all.

Heh, sounds a little like what a live-action interpretaion of Andrew Wildman's TF comics might look like.