Ongoing Wrestling Discussion thread [Archive] - TFW2005

Night Shift

11-28-2005, 03:03 PM

Ok. This works on another board I'm on, as we have a bunch of wrestling fans. So, instead of having a new thread started every week, or every PPV, we just keep this one going.

I did a quick search to see if you guys had anything like this, and you didn't so I hope I don't tick off someone with this.

Anyways, onto the good stuff.

WWE's Survivor Series last night. Not the best PPV I've ever seen, but not the worst either.

First match is Booker T, with his skanky wife/drag-queen wanna be Sharmell, against Benoit in the first of their "Best of Seven Matches" series. Booker follows Eddie Guerrero's (RIP) example, and cheats by having Sharmell distract Benoit and use the ropes to pin him.

Bischoff is shown in the back, warming up for his match against Teddy Long, and is approached by McMahon. Bischoff says that he will take a page out of McMahon's book, as he is going to screw John Cena tonight. Cena, of course, is standing behind Bischoff, saying "So, you want to screw John Cena? Its not my thing, but do what you like." Bischoff leaves, and McMahon starts talking Ghetto to Cena, including "What's up my, n----". McMahon walks off, passing Booker. Quoth the Book,"Tell me, he didn't just say that!"

Next match is inter-promotional Women's Championship between Melina and Trish. Trish pulls the W after Mickie James pulls Trish out of the way of s shoulderblock, followed up by a top rope, hair pull face buster.

Next up, HHH vs Ric Flair, Last Man Standing. This match did not disappoint. The finish comes after HHH Pedigree's Flair not once, not twice, but three times, and THEN hits him with the sledge.

Edge comes out with the lovely Lita (she walks on the ground I worship), and states that he is going to debut a new talk show called "The Cutting Edge". He starts by speaking with Dimitri Young, who was in the audience, and precedes to blast Detroit sports. Young comes back and lays into Edge, counting off the number of Championships that Detroit has had, asking Edge "Where's your World Title at?"

Next up, WWE Title defense. John Cena against Kurt Angle, with Kurt's own referee, Daivari. The match, sadly, went more or less how I thought it would. Angle beats the snot out of Cena, Cena comes back, goes for the pin, and Daivari doesn't count. Cena starts smacking Daivari, who almost DQs Cena before Angle stops him. Daivari gets knocked out of the ring, and another ref comes down. Angle and Cena go back and forth for a few, and Angle purposefully knocks out the new ref. Wash, rinse repeat. A Smackdown ref comes down and, as he and Angle get into the ring, Cena DDTs Daivari, who was getting into the ring as well, and plays possum for Angle. Angle walks up, Cena delivers the F-U, and wins the match.

Bischoff and Long is next. Fairly dull match, with the exception of the Boogyman interfereing to help Long get the win.

Last match of the night is the Interpromotional, Classic Survivor Series Match. Shawn Michaels, Kane, The Big Show, Carlito and Chris Masters Team Raw) vs.
Batista, Rey Mysterio, John Bradshaw Layfield, Randy Orton and Bobby Lashley (Team Smackdown)
As this was a fairly long match, I'll only list the eliminations.
Lashley is pinned by Michaels after getting Chokeslammed by Kane.
Kane pinned by Batista after both a 619 from Rey and a Spine Buster.
Batista pinned by Big Show after a Double Chokeslam by Show and Kane.
Show pinned by Rey after a JBL Clothesline from Hell, a 619 from Mysterio, and RKO from Orton, another Clothesline from Hell, and a seated Senton from Rey.
Carlito pinned by Rey after a Clothesline from Hell from JBL.
Masters pinned by Rey after the 619/Dropping the Dime.
Rey pinned by Michaels after a Sweet Chin Music counter to the West Coast Pop.
JBL pinned by Michaels after the Sweet Chin Music.
Michaels pinned by Orton after the RKO.

Winner of the Match, Team Smackdown.

After the match, the rest of Smackdown comes down to celebrate. They lift Orton onto their shoulders, when the Undertaker's music hits. The druid's bring a coffin out to the entrance way, and set it upright. Orton is in the ring, leaning against the ropes, freaking out. Suddenly, a Lightning bolt hits the coffin, which bursts into flames. Orton stares at it, his eyes almost wider then his head, and the 'Taker bursts out of the coffin. He makes his way down to the ring, where Orton is trying to hide amongst the other wrestlers, who promptly toss him to the 'Taker. 'Taker begins to lay waste to the entire ring, as Orton slips out. 'Taker stares at Orton as the show goes off.

Soundwarp

11-28-2005, 03:10 PM

Cool cool but the best Wrestler ever wasn;t there :peoples:

UNDERTAKER :ev:

Night Shift

11-28-2005, 03:15 PM

Read the last paragraph, Soundwarp.

Soundwarp

11-28-2005, 03:25 PM

:eek::eek:
And i read all of it but that :banghead:

Motor_Master

11-28-2005, 04:00 PM

Glad I didn't pay to see that! The only part that would have been fun to watch is the Undertaker's return, which they will probably show tonight on Raw and Friday on Smackdown.

Pidgeot018

11-28-2005, 05:45 PM

I was pleasently surprised that they didn't do a wishy-washy ending to the Main Event, giving SmackDown the clear, clean victory.

But then, having Undertaker destroy a good portion of the SmackDown roster sort of reversed that.

Cataclizm1

11-28-2005, 06:21 PM

I can't believe VInce used the N---- word. Now every damn kid on the street will be shouting it (As if they didn't use it enough already). I always loved Orton's expressions of shock when the Undertaker shows up.:thumb

Night Shift

11-28-2005, 08:03 PM

Tonight on Raw, HBK, Shawn Michaels takes on his partner from last night, Carlito. And Bischoff is having an "all-talent meeting in the middle of the ring".

Great. We get to hear Bischoff going on and on about how none of the Raw stars came out to help him last night. Is anyone else tired of listening to Bischoff?

Gort

11-28-2005, 09:46 PM

I think it sucks that Survivor Series had only one survivor match. The RAW vs. Smackdown was a great idea, but there could have been at least one survivor match for each brand.

Night Shift

11-28-2005, 11:17 PM

I have to admit, I would prefer if they went back to the old school SS matches, where they don't have title defenses. Just good ol four or five man elimination matches.

And did you see that STF from Cena tonight? OMG!

Twin Twist

11-29-2005, 05:05 AM

I miss Leaping Larry Poffo

Doctor Doom

11-29-2005, 08:50 AM

I usually hit RAW since I work when Smackdown is on.

I get more of a kick outa RAW than Smackdown these days... mostly since my faves are all on RAW. John Cena (guy has great mic skills and a competent wrestler), Kurt Angle (great wrestler and heel), WOOOO! Ric Flair WOOOOO!, Big Show (SHHHHSH! ka-CHOP!), Eugene (though he is susprended until futher notice. Something about a bar fight), Ashley (I votes for her), and Mick Foley (Carlito needs another dose of Socko).

Smackdown had Batista (whom is gonna be in rehab for his shoulder injury until Royal Rumble... or later), Eddie (RIP), and just got Matt Hardy back (his return was nice and all but they really dropped the ball for him)

RabidYak

11-29-2005, 10:45 AM

Ric Flair is still wrestling? The rubber must be getting pretty brittle by now.

Random Autobot

11-29-2005, 11:03 AM

I miss Leaping Larry Poffo

I don't remember him, but I miss leaping LaNNy Poffo quite a bit.

Night Shift

11-29-2005, 11:18 AM

Twin Twist

11-29-2005, 11:21 AM

I don't remember him, but I miss leaping LaNNy Poffo quite a bit.
Thus explaining why Google came up with NOTHING.

Sonscreen

11-29-2005, 12:51 PM

Thus explaining why Google came up with NOTHING.

I miss Ravishing Rick Rude.

"What I want right now is for all you fat washed up sweathogs to keep the noise down while I show the ladies what a real man looks like. Hit the music!"

Gryph

11-29-2005, 02:34 PM

It's a shame his brother was the only one who got a push. Lanny was cool too.

Twin Twist

11-29-2005, 02:57 PM

When I was a kid, I wanted one of those frisbees he wrote his poems on :redface2:

Doctor Doom

11-29-2005, 05:19 PM

Ya know, its really refreshing to see a discussion of wrestlign without every other person saying how much Cena sucks, or how they can't wait for Cena to lose the title. Do you realize how old that gets?
I like Cena so you won't hear it from me.

Still... he does need to drop the belt for a while and let some other Wreslter have it. A well-though out feud (sorry but the craptacular feud with Chris Jerico seemed thrown together to keep Jerico from going on his leave) with Kane, Shawn Micheals, or finishing up the current Kurt Angle at Royal Rumble with Angle stealing the title would be nice.

Spekkio

11-29-2005, 05:35 PM

Cena is the WWE's best young guy right now. It'll be a good while before he drops the title. That's OK by me. Last night's Raw was pretty good, but I missed the last match (always do - have to leave to get roommates to work by 11p) so I missed Cena's submission manuever. Anybody know where a pic of this manuever could be seen, or what it's comparable to? My girlfriend couldn't really describe it.
EDIT: Looks like a modified chokehold, and an existing manuever, at that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_wrestling_holds#STF

Dude! There's a warrant out for Ric Flair!
http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/warrantflair

Cataclizm1

11-29-2005, 05:40 PM

I liked Cena alot better when he was a heel. Also lately I've been enjoying TNA's product alot more than any WWE Programming.

RabidYak

11-29-2005, 05:47 PM

It's a shame his brother was the only one who got a push. Lanny was cool too.

If he did get a push, I bet his post-career rap album would have been allot better then Randys.

Sonscreen

11-30-2005, 08:52 AM

Was anyone else disappointed with Cena's appearance on MadTV? I saw the Smackdown special also. What the heck? They killed the Eddie Guerrero dedication match so they could push the Orton-Taker feud???

Twin Twist

11-30-2005, 09:00 AM

If he did get a push, I bet his post-career rap album would have been allot better then Randys.
At least Lanny could, you know, speak coherently and stuff.

undertaker

11-30-2005, 09:39 AM

But then, having Undertaker destroy a good portion of the SmackDown roster sort of reversed that.

I suppose... (ok, for obvious reasons <cough, ...user id> I would disagree), but I'll give an "unbiased" reason to excuse those actions.

This Survivor Series marked the 15th anniversary of the Undertaker character. He debuted at Survivor Series and dominated a match, so it was only fitting to have him come in and decimate a few wrestlers. That probably was not the writers' idea in doing that, but if it was, it was a fitting return (though, they could have done something much better).

Now, to Sonscreen...
I'm with you in regards to Cena's MadTV appearance, but I blame MadTV for that. I doubt Cena had much say over his role and the script. IMO, MadTV isn't the great show it used to be. At this point, I'll only watch if they have a special guest worth watching.

Now, for my general question:
Thoughts on the Boogeyman? We've now seen him do something in the ring (at Survivor Series). I know he didn't debut months ago as planned due to injury, but I'm guessing he's cleared to wrestle now. I don't know about his background, so I'm curious to see if this guy can produce in the ring.

gil

11-30-2005, 01:16 PM

Spekkio

11-30-2005, 05:35 PM

I'm glad I'm not the only one who was ticked about the Tuesday night special. It left a really bad taste in my mouth. I can deal with run-ins. I can deal with the Undertaker saving the day. I couldn't deal with the Randy Orton stupidity.

I mean, don't get me wrong. I like Orton. I'm glad the Undertaker is working to help push him. (That's what separates Taker from goofs like Hogan - willingness to work with the kids and help get them over.) But after all the Guerrero references, for Rey not to win at the end and all the stuff done with the lowrider...well, like I said, bad taste in my mouth. Vince & the other writers should be ashamed, and ReyRey should have refused to do any of that crap. It was disrespectful and stupid. I don't mind Rey and Chavo getting a push out of Guerrero's passing - I think it's what Eddie would have wanted, and they deserve it - but not like that. Not like that.

Night Shift

12-01-2005, 03:46 PM

Has anyone been to WWE.com? They have a list up saying different people who might get the GM-dom for Raw. Didn't they say that, if Bischoff failed, that Shane was gonna end up being the GM?

Oh, and guess whats coming back, my fellow children of the 80s? Saturday Night's Main Event!!!

Cataclizm1

12-01-2005, 05:09 PM

The fiery crash with the Undertaker was pretty intense. They must of had to do some major editing to make it look as bad as it did.

12-01-2005, 05:41 PM

macho man randy savage for teh double-yoo! (gesticulating hands)

Sonscreen

12-01-2005, 06:14 PM

macho man randy savage for teh double-yoo! (gesticulating hands)

Bah, the Excellence of Execution is where it's at.

12-01-2005, 06:59 PM

elizabeth!

Night Shift

12-03-2005, 02:39 PM

Did anyone catch Smackdown last night? I was busy making dinner for my GF, and wasn't able to catch it.

Twin Twist

12-03-2005, 02:51 PM

I wish they'd shelve all this crap and simply just go back to entertaining characters. Tito Santana didn't need some rubbish gimmick! He was Mexican and a wrestler, from there it wrote itself.

Superfly Snuka needs to make a comeback too.

ambushbug74

12-03-2005, 02:53 PM

Tito DID have a gimmick. There were video packages shown of him going to Mexico to learn to fight bulls to improve his wrestling, and then he came back to WWF as "El Matador" Tito Santana.

Twin Twist

12-03-2005, 04:00 PM

Tito DID have a gimmick. There were video packages shown of him going to Mexico to learn to fight bulls to improve his wrestling, and then he came back to WWF as "El Matador" Tito Santana.
Holy fucking shit, I remember that Bullcrap ( :lol ), see, wrestling was so much better back then.

Pipers Pit... awesome.

ambushbug74

12-03-2005, 04:22 PM

Everything in wrestling was better back in the day. EVERYTHING, except for Virgil, he is the exception that proves the rule.

Vangelus

12-03-2005, 08:12 PM

Wow...haven't kept up with WWE at all lately, but I've always liked it when they threw caution into the wind and let Undertaker do the "I'm a frigging undead monster now you DIE" thing. Now I wanna find a clip of him coming out of the exploding casket or whatever.

Cataclizm1

12-03-2005, 10:23 PM

I've always liked it when they threw caution into the wind and let Undertaker do the "I'm a frigging undead monster now you DIE" thing. Now I wanna find a clip of him coming out of the exploding casket or whatever.
Undertaker was like that last night to Randy Orton. He said he would kill him over the loudspeaker. Meanwhile Randy Orton is running around the whole arena like a chicken with his head cut off. It was hilarious. It was the only part of the show that I didn't fast-forward through. :redface2:

Twin Twist

12-04-2005, 06:00 AM

I remember when the Undertaker buried the Ultimate Warrior alive.

I was like "Shit, I thought this was supposed to be fake..."

12-04-2005, 06:17 AM

c'mon guys. 80s wrestling wasnt that great.

guy with 2 by 4 who goes 'HO!'. i mean, come on. the guys gimmick was a piece of stick.

Twin Twist

12-04-2005, 06:23 AM

Ya and it worked and people loved it, now you have to be some crappy Emenem clone... its, not the same.

Scantron

12-04-2005, 05:56 PM

Tuned into Smackdown on Friday and was glad to see Undertaker come back with a big presence. The Big Show/Kane vs JBL/Mysterio match was pretty good too. Really not impressed with this "Boogeyman" character, though. Seems like a poor take-off of the Undertaker (supernatural character) with a slightly different gimmick. Is 'Taker coming to retire or something that they're looking for another 'supernatural' gimmick to replace him? If so, they need to keep looking.

Night Shift

12-04-2005, 07:09 PM

'Taker has been rumored to be retiring for the past two or three years. Sooner or later, it will happen.

Sonscreen

12-05-2005, 08:42 AM

c'mon guys. 80s wrestling wasnt that great.

guy with 2 by 4 who goes 'HO!'. i mean, come on. the guys gimmick was a piece of stick.

Good old Hacksaw Jim Duggan.

This Boogeyman guy reminds me of the Papa Shango gimmick.

Bonus points to the person that remembers Iron Mike Sharpe.

12-05-2005, 08:46 AM

we need to combine great 80s characters and 90s T&A lady wrestlers.

wrestling heaven!

Twin Twist

12-05-2005, 08:55 AM

Good old Hacksaw Jim Duggan.

This Boogeyman guy reminds me of the Papa Shango gimmick.

Bonus points to the person that remembers Iron Mike Sharpe.
Wasn't he the guy that got absoloutely splattered every, single, week?

What about the guy who patted himself on the back, he even had a vest with a hand on the back... brilliant.

Night Shift

12-05-2005, 09:49 AM

For anyone who actually likes him, Mr. Kennedy is out for at least 6 months due to a torn lat.

RabidYak

12-05-2005, 02:06 PM

What about the guy who patted himself on the back, he even had a vest with a hand on the back... brilliant.

Barry Horowitz.

What is this, the enhancement talent page of the thread?

Twin Twist

12-05-2005, 02:12 PM

http://slam.canoe.ca/WrestlingImagesO/onemangang.jpg

VS

http://www.cranfordjkc.com/images/bad-news-brown.jpg

WHO WOULD WIN?

drippy

12-05-2005, 02:12 PM

Christy Hemme has just been released from WWE.

I know I'll be up all night crying about it.

Twin Twist

12-05-2005, 02:13 PM

Barry Horowitz.

What is this, the enhancement talent page of the thread?
Barry Horowitz! Hahah! Man can you imagine at parties?

"So, what do you do for a living?"

"Well I let guys kick the crap out of me to make them look cool."

"..."

ambushbug74

12-05-2005, 03:08 PM

I gotta find it, but I got a picture of me with Brooklyn Brawler and another picture with me and Doink. Incidentaly, they were the same guy since McMahon pretty much sold both gimmicks to Steve Lambarde. I met them when I was doing ring announcing at some local shows for a small local promotion.

Sonscreen

12-05-2005, 03:36 PM

http://slam.canoe.ca/WrestlingImagesO/onemangang.jpg

VS

http://www.cranfordjkc.com/images/bad-news-brown.jpg

WHO WOULD WIN?

OMGosh Bad News Brown for the win. How can you go wrong with a finisher called the Ghetto Blaster?

Is that other guy the One Man Gang? Didn't he become Hakim the African Dream?

Barry Horowitz and the other jabronis were fun to watch get beat up every week. I wonder what they're doing now?

Twin Twist

12-05-2005, 03:43 PM

Hakim was accompanied by the Reverand Slick, was he not?

Koko B Ware!

Sonscreen

12-05-2005, 03:49 PM

Hakim was accompanied by the Reverand Slick, was he not?

Koko B Ware!

Oh yeah! Wasn't he the Doctor of Style before that?

Koko B. Ware Let's see what other cheesy wrestlers we can throw out.

Beverly Brothers!

Night Shift

12-06-2005, 02:57 PM

How can anyone forget the great Mark Starr and Chris Canyon, Men At Work!

They were a WCW jobber tag team. Chris Kanyon was originally just a jobber. HA

Pidgeot018

12-06-2005, 04:00 PM

www.wrestlecrap.com

Hilarious site. Be sure to vote for the 2005 Gooker Award while you're there.

RabidYak

12-06-2005, 04:31 PM

IRS for the win, everybody knows that the tax man will always get you in the end.

Sonscreen

12-06-2005, 05:29 PM

www.wrestlecrap.com

Hilarious site. Be sure to vote for the 2005 Gooker Award while you're there.

Thanks for the memories (good and bad)!

Repo Man!

Gryph

12-07-2005, 01:10 AM

Lasertron!
The Thunder Feet!
Avatar!
Curry Man!

And for some local guys from HWA.

Mad Anthony the Taxi Driver! (he owns the promotion now if i'm not mistaken)
Rapid Delivery Rory Fox! (first a pizza delivery guy, then a UPS delivery guy)
Chip Fairway (a golfer)
Bobby Cassanova (One of my brother's buddies. Great wrestler. Silly gimmick. He somehow made it work though. He basicly dressed and acted like Zorro. When he came out he'd give a rose to one of the girls in the audience. The girls loved him. Even when they turned him heel the girls still loved him, so they decided to have him give the rose to a guy instead to piss em off. It worked too. Guys would start yelling and throwing the rose down and stuff. It was hillarious. Unfortunately he hasn't wrestled in a few years. His wife doesn't like him doing it and she talked him out of it because he wasn't getting pushed despite being one of the best guys there and a trainer. He's talking about getting back into wrestling again. I really hope he does.)
Sharkboy! (Yes! The guy in TNA. He's from here! He rocks!)

Weirdwolf

12-07-2005, 08:12 AM

Iron Mike Sharpe. He was that big, hunchbacked guy with the forearm in a cast and wore black trunks and boots, and always carried on in the ring like he was in a 1950's B-movie by being stiff and going "Arrrrr... Grrrrrr..." all the time. I HATED him...

Soundwarp

12-07-2005, 03:23 PM

*Statement*

"The cutting Edge SUCKS"

Even though Lita is still teh BOMB *Drool*

Cataclizm1

12-10-2005, 03:06 AM

So did anyone catch Smackdown tonight? Pretty funny stuff between the Undertaker and Randy Orton. First 'Taker appeared for an instant in Orton's mirror, then 'Taker made Orton see his father's head all bloody. Then he made their car drive away by itself. Then the best part, while Orton was being interviewed, 'Taker possessed the interviewer and he spoke to Orton in 'Taker's voice. It was hilarious.

Weirdwolf

12-10-2005, 04:56 AM

Any word as to why they let Christy Hemme go?

drippy

12-13-2005, 06:35 PM

Goodbye Tajiri. You will be mist.

Night Shift

12-24-2005, 09:15 AM

*Statement*

"The cutting Edge SUCKS"

Even though Lita is still teh BOMB *Drool*
Amen, brother.

Gryph

12-24-2005, 10:20 AM

Any word as to why they let Christy Hemme go?

There's two completely different stories going around right now. One is from Christy herself. She said she was told that it was a budget thing. The other story going around is that there were rumors about her hitting on Triple H. The rumors got around to Steph and she got her fired.

Either one could be true. They have been letting people go due to budget concerns already. On the other hand, there have been rumors that Steph has caused a few other people to get fired before.

Gryph

12-27-2005, 08:42 AM

ambushbug74

12-27-2005, 03:13 PM

While going through all my old crap I found something I completely forgot about. A video of the Jushin Thunder Liger Movie! It's got no subtitles so I have no idea what anyone's saying but it's not too tough to figure out the general idea of what's going on most of the time.
Damn, I didn't know he made a movie!! is it like the old Mexican Luchador movies? Where El Santo would team up with other wrestlers and solve mysteries and stuff?

Gryph

12-27-2005, 08:53 PM

Kinda, but with more of a Japanese superhero feel. From what I could gather of the story, he's supposed to protect the world from demons. The badguy is a new wrestler that shows up in the promotion he's in. He cripples the guy he's wrestling. He follows the guy outside and discovers he's really a demon. They have a fight and the demon's kicking his ass when he suddenly transforms into the real Jyushin Thunder Liger. The big fight at the end is real cool, along with the Liger and demon costumes. The stuff up untill then is a little boring though. Might just be because I can't understand anyone. lol

The_Bardock

01-03-2006, 12:18 AM

So what was the big announcement on TNA new years eve night?

OmegaScourge

01-03-2006, 05:09 AM

ambushbug74

01-03-2006, 05:14 AM

Brooklyn Brawler....
Power & Glory
Demolition
Mega Powers

the memories....i was planning to buy WWE: The Best of the 80's DVD

i'd love to see the 4 Horsemen again (even in WWE)....but seeing that Vince will never use a WCW created team....
You never know, he did use the NWO for a little while. I would hope that he never makes a new 4 Horsemen, I mean after having Mongo in it, it lost it's allure. Plus, though Evolution would have made a nice version of it, I think the legacy should not be tampered with. I could never see a 4 Horesmen without Arn Anderson in it. Damn do I miss him!

Shin-Gouki

01-03-2006, 05:26 AM

I'm hyped to see Finlay wrestling again myself

drippy

01-03-2006, 11:35 AM

Agree or disagree?

http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/features/default.asp?aID=15142

Final Thoughts:

I find it hard to believe there is much of an audience that still enjoys the majority of what WWE puts out. I think most of us watch [Raw] in large part out of habit, because we love wrestling, and hope some day WWE will get back to actually producing it. WWE was the first wrestling promotion I watched, and my favorite wrestling promotion for most of my time watching wrestling. Now it is like a beloved sibling who is now a drug addict.

Gryph

01-03-2006, 11:44 AM

Agree completely and utterly!

The Cena getting booed thing is really odd though. I wonder why it's happening. He's not the best guy there, but he's definately one of the more entertaining ones.

mrhillz

01-03-2006, 11:49 AM

Agree or disagree?

http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/features/default.asp?aID=15142

Yeah, I do. I honestly like watching TNA and indy wrestling more than I do WWE nowadays.

drippy

01-03-2006, 12:23 PM

Agree completely and utterly!

The Cena getting booed thing is really odd though. I wonder why it's happening. He's not the best guy there, but he's definately one of the more entertaining ones.

Really? I can't stand him. Not one bit. Shawn Michaels as well. But at least Michaels can wrestle.

Sonscreen

01-03-2006, 01:47 PM

Is Cena still doing those funny little raps and interviews. The stuff he used to do on Smackdown was entertaining.

drippy

01-03-2006, 02:05 PM

I was hoping that Santa brought Shawn Michaels a new entrance theme for Xmas...my hopes were dashed when I saw the first few minutes of Raw last night. :(

Gryph

01-03-2006, 05:04 PM

Is Cena still doing those funny little raps and interviews. The stuff he used to do on Smackdown was entertaining.

Yeah, but not nearly as much. You seldom see him before the main event anymore. I totally blame the dumbass RAW writers for it. There's really no reason for the world champion to get almost no airtime. Specially when he can work the mic as good as Cena can.

From what I hear, two of the biggest problems with WWE right now are Johnny Ace, and Stephanie. Apparently most of the guys in the back hate Johnny Ace right now, and Steph (for reasons that boggle the mind) just LOVES the more talking, less wrestling WWE.

Predaking

01-03-2006, 09:00 PM

I quit watching WWE except from time to time to catch Angle (one of the few wrestlers I still love) and only read the spoilers nowadays. It's mindboggling how dumb Vince is making the shows look these days. I wonder what will happen if we have another monday night war like one between WWE and WCW years ago. I doubt Vince will have Austin and Rock to bail him out this time.

Gryph

01-04-2006, 11:04 AM

TNA isn't a real threat at the moment, but I really believe they will be within the next year or two. They already have TNA action figures that are selling well (at least where I live) and Midway is making a TNA game. The last thing left is a two hour show.

Sonscreen

01-04-2006, 01:09 PM

What do you guys think about the new guys on Smackdown? A few weeks ago I saw this dude named Bobbi Lashley and he's built like a brick wall. I think if he gets some interview skills and polishes his matches, he can be a Brock Lesnar type star.

Weirdwolf

01-04-2006, 02:18 PM

Bottom line: Lashley is going to be a star. He's rough right now, has little mic skills, but he just needs some time. Only thing is, I hope they don't slap the World belt (either one) on him right away and ruin his progress (read: Randy Orton, who seems to have stagnated since he lost the World title. The "Legend Killer" is getting boring, IMO.

The_Bardock

01-04-2006, 04:18 PM

So how many times are they gonna bring back the story of Vince being a pervert.

Weirdwolf

01-04-2006, 04:52 PM

I agree, "Evil Mr. McMahon" is getting old. Now they're going with some kind of screwjob storyline with Shawn Michaels like they did with Bret Hart. Seems almost a retread of an old story.

drippy

01-04-2006, 05:08 PM

I agree, "Evil Mr. McMahon" is getting old. Now they're going with some kind of screwjob storyline with Shawn Michaels like they did with Bret Hart. Seems almost a retread of an old story.
I'd sit through most anything as long as the end payoff was Shawn getting some new entrance music.

Gryph

01-04-2006, 08:34 PM

OmegaScourge

01-05-2006, 12:10 AM

i'm thinking of buying the WWE: WRESTLEMANIA ANTHOLOGY DVD....all 21 Wrestlemania's in it....actually i think i'll buy it for my dad for his birthday (he's still a big wrestling fan)

drippy

01-05-2006, 01:30 PM

Anyone else wondering what the hell is up with the Tim White suicide angle?

It appears it will be a running "gag" from show to show.

Yay. :rolleyes:

Here's the latest.

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/2006/articles/1136483425.php

Wow, 1 post to go before 9k...

Weirdwolf

01-06-2006, 05:11 AM

I'm really surprised they're doing anything like that at all and the censors letting them get away with it...

The_Bardock

01-06-2006, 11:55 AM

Wow I never saw any part of that angle, is it smackdown only?

Gryph

01-06-2006, 05:18 PM

The genius of Dusty Rodes...

Cataclizm1

01-06-2006, 06:16 PM

Wow. What a dumb angle.

OmegaScourge

01-07-2006, 03:35 AM

you know McMahon....he did lost of controversal angles before...and he'll do more in the future.

Dragstrip85

01-07-2006, 10:20 PM

The link to the segment appears on youtube (it was a recording of the scene and showed what happened after the cameras appeared to "stop" rolling ... the guys were laughing) but this segment was not shown last night, unless I missed it.

drippy

01-08-2006, 02:58 PM

Stephanie is pregnant. What kind of angle will be worked for the fetus?

MikeTSI

01-08-2006, 03:13 PM

Stephanie is pregnant. What kind of angle will be worked for the fetus?

Oh man, that reminds me of the time they had Mae Young give birth to a fake hand. Gross. :puke:

The_Bardock

01-08-2006, 05:21 PM

Man I loved the 6 man match last night on TNA. I can't remember the names but the guys that went against Christopher Daniels and them were amazing.

Pidgeot018

01-08-2006, 05:34 PM

WWE's New Years Revolution is tonight. I'm most looking forward to seeing how Tim White tries to kill himself this time.

Gryph

01-08-2006, 10:30 PM

A new episode of MXC tonight at 2AM is featuring WWE vs. TNA! This should be amusing.

OmegaScourge

01-09-2006, 02:09 AM

SPOILER:

EDGE is the new champion

Deathy G1

01-09-2006, 09:44 AM

I didn't see that one coming. I kinda bet he will lose it tonight, and if not tonight, then on the next PPV.

drippy

01-09-2006, 10:42 AM

Why would they put the belt on a guy with a torn pec? Or was the need to get it off a chump like Cena, whom the majority of fans hate, the decision maker?

Deathy G1

01-09-2006, 11:00 AM

I thought batista had the torn pec. Edge put on a good match with flair, so if his pec is torn, hes working through it well.

e3nine

01-09-2006, 11:03 AM

I thought batista had the torn pec. Edge put on a good match with flair, so if his pec is torn, hes working through it well.

Edge ripped his pec not too long ago. That's why the WWE kept him on TV with his new talk segment, the Cutting Edge.

I was very surprised by this move. I can tell you that Edge will lose his belt tonight. If they wanted a heel champion, Angle is a better worker and would be better suited for a long term story.

Liokaiser_bf

01-09-2006, 11:05 AM

Stephanie is pregnant. What kind of angle will be worked for the fetus?

It will come out with a Sledgehammer and clock daddy(Triple H) in the face calling him old pile of crap. Forcing him to retire FOR GOOD.

I dunno me I would be laughing hard if they pulled this crap off. If anything it will be wrestlecrap's Gooker award worthy. (just like the crap they did with JR and the Diva Search (BORING PILE OF MANURE! Well everybody I know took their crapper break when that was on))

Deathy G1

01-09-2006, 11:11 AM

I can tell you that Edge will lose his belt tonight. If they wanted a heel champion, Angle is a better worker and would be better suited for a long term story.
Yes, it looks like tonight Edge will join the Kane club (24 hour championship holders).

The only way I can see this not happening is if its an angle to give Ric Flair the belt one last time, and have HHH take it off him at Wrestlemania.

e3nine

01-09-2006, 11:20 AM

The only way I can see this not happening is if its an angle to give Ric Flair the belt one last time, and have HHH take it off him at Wrestlemania.

I can see that too. :(

As much as I hate to say it, I did enjoy Cena as champ. He cuts a damn good promo and is very entertaining.

on a side note, not sure if you guys caught this or not, but ...

www.TheGiantKamala.com

Kamala is releasing a music cd soon. The song playing on the URL's background is actually the man cutting a tune. :lol

NormanB

01-09-2006, 12:54 PM

Gryph

01-09-2006, 12:54 PM

I taped that MXC last night. Despite the Directv description saying TNA vs. WWE, the show was a completely different one. Don't ask me what happened.

Neomarsala

01-09-2006, 01:07 PM

I can't believe how Anti-Cena that crowd was. Haven't watched RAW for the better part of two months, and while I keep reading recaps that said he was getting booed, I never expected anything like that.

Wow.

I only watch wrestling occasionally, but I thought Cena was pretty popular. I know he had the belt for quite a while, so I assumed people liked him. What happened? Did people just get tired of him or something?

NormanB

01-09-2006, 01:20 PM

I only watch wrestling occasionally, but I thought Cena was pretty popular. I know he had the belt for quite a while, so I assumed people liked him. What happened? Did people just get tired of him or something?

No clue.

I never liked him.

His rapping was always tired:

BLAH BLAH BLAH

Something that rhymes with DICK.

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

Something something, crowd screams DICK.

:rolleyes:

I also hate the spinny belt more than anything ever created by another human being ever.

e3nine

01-09-2006, 01:21 PM

What happened? Did people just get tired of him or something?

It seems to be a popluar trend to screw with the WWE like this. Hogan got the same shock treatment when he took on the Rock at Wrestlemania.

What's even more scary is the amount of cheers HHH gets. The audience pops when his music hits ... it's only a matter of time before it turns into a full blown face entrance.

Predaking

01-09-2006, 01:35 PM

I am just glad that Cena finally give up the belt. People got tired of his gimmick, his lame promo, and his juvenile rap long time ago. Cena was interesting when he was heel and cut freestyle rap to make fun of his opponent in the ring before they appear. Now they turned him into someone completely boring, predictable, with lousy moves. It's not surprising that people pop big time for Edge when he got the belt. Now I doubt he'll be keeping the belt for long but for now WWE is probably monitoring his time as champ to see how much money he can make the company before deciding how soon he'll lose the belt. I do hope Cena won't win the belt again soon. He needs new gimmick and new moves and more freedom to cut his promo.

gil

01-09-2006, 01:55 PM

I can't believe how Anti-Cena that crowd was. Haven't watched RAW for the better part of two months, and while I keep reading recaps that said he was getting booed, I never expected anything like that.

Wow.

WWE came to Hawaii a year or two ago and went to see it. Cena was still the US champ and he fought Angle. Cena won but the crowd was booing him.

I read Edge was champ. I just assumed he won the IC belt from Flair. Then I read Flair won their match, so I was like WTF. Then I read Edge finally used his money in the bank.

Funny, now both WWE's world champions are injured.

drippy

01-09-2006, 02:05 PM

What's even more scary is the amount of cheers HHH gets. The audience pops when his music hits ... it's only a matter of time before it turns into a full blown face entrance.

Angle is currently one of the guys most over with the crowd/fans (and rightfully so).

The_Bardock

01-09-2006, 04:07 PM

Cataclizm1

01-09-2006, 05:48 PM

Cena lost the belt??? :rock:rock:rock Come back to us Evil Cena!!!

Weirdwolf

01-09-2006, 05:53 PM

Oh, puh-leeze.

http://www.gen1tf.com/tempfolder/edgelitasex.jpg

http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw

drippy

01-09-2006, 05:54 PM

Lita is pretty hot when she's tiny and far away like that.

Weirdwolf

01-09-2006, 05:59 PM

Lita is pretty hot when she's tiny and far away like that.

Lita is super hot, save for that enormous tattoo on her right shoulder. Small tatts I'm okay with, but yuck with that big one.

Predaking

01-09-2006, 08:11 PM

Lita is super hot, save for that enormous tattoo on her right shoulder. Small tatts I'm okay with, but yuck with that big one.

That, and her looking like a man from time to time. But I'd get rid of Tats if I were her those things are pretty awful looking on her.

Weirdwolf

01-09-2006, 08:50 PM

That, and her looking like a man from time to time.

:huh Where have you seen a man with nice tomtoms and a great ass?

The_Bardock

01-09-2006, 10:37 PM

:huh Where have you seen a man with nice tomtoms and a great ass?

I don't think we can post links to those tricked you sites :sly2:

e3nine

01-10-2006, 09:09 AM

Honestly, Lita scares me. She has sharp and strong facial features ... much like a man's.

Last night's show was decent.
- Looks like Lita's boob came right out because my TV went black for 5 or 6 seconds.

- The audience boo'ed the hell out of Cena ... I never noticed it was getting that bad. The WWE is trying everything to save his face run. Save Flair, FU Lita, etc ... I give it another 2 or 3 shows to determine his future.

- The Masters/Carlito team was entertaining. I don't know if it was the HBK super kick to Angle, or the masterlock for the win, but the audience was cheering quite a bit.

- Women's matches are complete show killers.

- Shelton's mom knows how to cut a promo ... but she's so annoying during the matches. She yells too much and is very distracting to the main entertainment on the screen.

Weirdwolf

01-10-2006, 09:15 AM

- Women's matches are complete show killers.

Agreed. I like looking at the gals, but I could care less about the matches and usually head to the bathroom or go get some ice cream or something to drink while they're on.

Edgewise

01-10-2006, 11:21 AM

:huh Where have you seen a man with nice tomtoms and a great ass?

I remember there was a guy on the man show with breast implants, that's all Lita's got, she was flat as a pancake as "Miss Congeniality" in ECW.

Predaking

01-10-2006, 01:17 PM

I watched parts of Raw last night because Cena lost the title and I was elated to say the least. The crowd was split on Cena. Half of it (girls mostly) was cheering for him and the other half (all guys.. I even saw group of them chanting together) was booing. He was getting cheered the one second and booed the next. It's interesting that Cena acknowledged those boo birds in the audience and told them to kiss his ass. Like someone noted earlier WWE is trying everything humanly possible to give him pops and they've been doing that for months. I think losing his title is an attempt to win him over with the fans because Face wrestlers do better when they are going for the belt rather than the holder. That's why Angle suggested to WWE that he wins the belt from Cena and have Cena take it back during WM but Vince turned it down. It's a good idea that wasn't used but it looks like it'll go that way anyway abeit with Edge instead of Angle.

As for women division is about as dead as it can be with James/Stratus storyline taking the spotlight. Last night's match was a eyesore and during the aftermath of the match we have 3 women who have no idea how to sell the story milling around looking stupid.

HBK/Angle fued looks interesting but then again it's not surprising since they are 2 of the best and most over wrestlers in Raw now.

Overall Raw benefited from just not having Cena as champ. Now that Batista may be out for extended period of time we'll see how SD can cope with it.

Shaun_C

01-10-2006, 02:16 PM

Oh, puh-leeze.

http://www.gen1tf.com/tempfolder/edgelitasex.jpg

And this is EXACTLY WHY I don't watch WWE wrestling anymore

It's all just a cheap masturbatory fantasy

WWE wrestling is just sex and cheap stereotypes.

I knew the moment Thea Vidale was playing the part of Shelton's mom.That he'd be playing the stertypical black momma's boy

Neomarsala

01-10-2006, 03:17 PM

And this is EXACTLY WHY I don't watch WWE wrestling anymore

I don't know why they do this sort of stuff. It's always stupid, always. It also went on way too long. Ric Flair should have shown up alot sooner. Let's also not forget that there are kids in the audience.

I also think that the women's matches are kind of stupid. I'm usually pretty tempted to change the channel during those. At least the girls have SOME skills these days as opposed to a few years ago when they just slapped eachother and pull eachother's hair.

drippy

01-10-2006, 03:28 PM

This week on Raw, Live Sex! Could the return of Eddie Guerrero be far behind?

Cataclizm1

01-10-2006, 04:59 PM

Weirdwolf

01-10-2006, 05:11 PM

What happened to Muhamad Hassan? I thought he was a pretty good entertainer on the mic and in the ring. I havn't seen him since they did that thing in the ring with the black masks and hostages. I find it odd that Devari is back but not Hassan if it's because of that controversy.

They let both Hassan and Daivari go a few months ago at the request of the network (read: UPN), stating that his gimmick was too sensitive to today's current events. They only recently brought Daivari back as Kurt Angle's sidekick.

I agree, I wish they'd bring Hassan back, I liked him a lot. Even if he was really an Italian American posing as an Arab American...

Cataclizm1

01-10-2006, 06:26 PM

Man, screw UPN. I really hope Hassan comes to RAW soon. Maybe if Angle gets the title Hassan could come back and screw over Angle with Devairi turning on Angle too. Or at least bring back Hassan minus the Arab-gimmick.

drippy

01-10-2006, 11:18 PM

Smackdown Spoiler:

There's a new champ. And Angle is his name! After Batista relinquished the title due to injury, Angle won a battle royal to win the belt. Not sure if he's staying on Smackdown permanently or not (I would assume so). Regardless, I still refuse to watch that show.

Predaking

01-11-2006, 01:28 AM

Dammit! I was hoping Angle can stay on Raw he's the only reason why I watch that show now. Regardless of how I feel though I am glad he's got the belt cuz he worked hard for the company and I was pulling for him to win the title from Cena. Oh well WWE title is just as good and I hope he will hold the belt til Batista returns. Right now there are too many heels on SD and not enough face. The only wrestler I can see taking the belt from Angle is Taker and I really hope not but most likely these two will have a feud soon.

Dragstrip85

01-11-2006, 01:36 AM

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH MY GOD!!! I AM SHOCKED. FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!

TAKER vs. ANGLE WM22 baby!!!!!!! I really hope. Damn WWE and their shock angles.

I am glad Angle is back home where he belongs. SD! is top again. :rock :rock

But one thing. WWE.com messed up! Why post spoilers already if this won't air until Friday! ( I mean, it would be an even greater shock to those who don't read spoilers)

Sonscreen

01-11-2006, 08:36 AM

Wow! Angle is back on Smackdown? That's good, I hope they can eventually get some more Angle vs Benoit matches in the future.

undertaker

01-11-2006, 09:00 AM

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TAKER vs. ANGLE WM22 baby!!!!!!! I really hope. Damn WWE and their shock angles.

I am glad Angle is back home where he belongs. SD! is top again. :rock :rock

As much as I would like that, my guess is that it's going to be Angle vs. Orton, Benoit, or (maybe) Booker T. Unless he's going to get a push for a last run, Undertaker is more in a role of "special attraction" in that WWE isn't using him on a regular weekly basis, and in that position, it wouldn't be sensible to give him the belt (from a business perspective, and, for obvious reasons, not my personal perspective).

e3nine

01-11-2006, 11:12 AM

wow ... I am in total shock of this newest development.

Zathras

01-12-2006, 12:01 AM

Mark Copani (Muhammad Hassan) was fired from WWE a few weeks after he was taken off TV. The WWE blamed him for the failure of the character and the angles regarding it. The guy was too green in the ring and should have been pushed more slowly. He had great charisma though.

Daivari was not fired but sent back to OVW for more training.

Gryph

01-12-2006, 01:19 AM

Also, Mark Copani is out of wrestling all together now. He's decided to go into acting.

Davari had alot more in ring talent than Hassan anyway. I'd like to see him do some wrestling again sometime.

e3nine

01-12-2006, 10:41 AM

I had no idea Hassan was actually fired. I thought he was removed from programming because of that horrible Undertaker/terrorist thing.

They guy wasn't terrible and could work an interview ... unlike meathead Chris Masters.

Gryph

01-12-2006, 03:12 PM

Chris Masters is slowly getting better in and out of the ring though. Carlito is the one that's completely useless.

e3nine

01-12-2006, 03:22 PM

Sonscreen

01-12-2006, 04:49 PM

what can save the Smackdown brand?

Booker T - out
Batista - out
Juvi - fired
Undertaker - part time
Ken Kennedy - out
Benoit - no new contract, in the WWE doghouse

Lashley is a BEAST ... but I haven't seen him cut a promo yet. Angle as their champ is cool, but he was SD 6 months ago, it's like he never left to begin with.

What happened with Benoit?

I guess we can look forward to JBL vs Boogeyman main events now. :confused2

Or maybe Simon Dean vs Michael Cole

LigerPrime

01-12-2006, 10:27 PM

Shucks, I'm so disappointed that Batista got injured. He's the only reason why I'm watching wrestling these days. I bet when the Batista returns, his story line will be against Mark Henry...something about the latter injuring Batista. Especially since Mark Henry was last person who wrestled him! LOL!

As for Cena...I place the place solely on the Raw writers. He's kind of like a modern day version of Hogan - IMO. But Cena got to be careful as his white rapper's gimmick is getting very stale.

e3nine

01-13-2006, 09:08 AM

What happened with Benoit?

His contract is coming to an end very soon. Since the WWE doesn't see TNA entering a bidding war for Benoit, they're low balling his $ figure.

So, Benoit isn't totally gone from the WWE, but without a signed new contract, they're not going to promote a superstar that might jump ship.

Gryph

01-13-2006, 03:39 PM

That's super retarded. WWE already knows that Benoit will go to TNA if he really feels he should. Lowballing him is not a good idea. If he does leave, then there's a really good chance others will also. Apparently Eddie was one of the people holding everything together in the back. With him gone, morale has been going downhill fast.

Predaking

01-13-2006, 06:41 PM

WWE is treating Benoit like they treated Christian. Benoit should jump ship to TNA where he'll be appreciated more. I hope TNA will expand to 2 hours and not be on so late. Sting mentioned in a recent interview that he hoped Spike TV will move it to monday to compete with WWE and have another monday night war. I hope this can come to fruition this year if TNA adds more wrestlers like Benoit to its roster.

Sonscreen

01-14-2006, 02:56 PM

Hmm, the Jan 13 Smackdown wasn't that bad despite only 2 matches and 2 interviews. Boogie man ate that boil/mole/growth on Gillian (Jillian?) Hall's face!?! Not very appetizing but amusing. Rowdy Piper's reaction was hilarious.

I was hopig that brief encounter between Lashley and Mark Henry would last longer. I have to say Angle is the man after plowing through all those guys. The ending looked a little botched but it's good to see Angle with gold again.

Hiro Prime

01-14-2006, 04:52 PM

Dragstrip85

01-14-2006, 06:04 PM

Has anyone seen the new Royal Rumble spot on TV yet? I just saw it on Fox News and I actaully laughed out loud for a few minutes afterwards.

Hehe I still get a chuckle just thinking about it.

If you haven't seen it yet, it starts out with whole McManon family dressed as Romans at the colluseum. Vince as Ceaser is great. (but not as funny as Shaneimus.) Bwahahahaha. :D

I think there are 2 versions of that R.R. promo. One starts with the people chanting "You Screwed *can't make out the name*" and McMahon does his famous "SHUT UP!" :lol

Drew Eiden

01-14-2006, 06:14 PM

whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa... mark henry still wrestles? Wow...

Cataclizm1

01-14-2006, 09:54 PM

Batista leaving the arena was very emotional and it was cool how he acknowledges everyone in the crowd and even all the lowest workers of WWE in the back. I knew Angle was going to win on Smackdown due to the spoilers...but man, the chemistry between Mark henry and Mysterio in the ring I though was great, and it would have been something if Rey miraculously had won the title. Does anyone find it kind of B.S. that they said it would be a Smackdown battle royale, and a guy from RAW joins the match at the last second....and Teddy Long is OK with it?!?!

The_Bardock

01-14-2006, 10:25 PM

Has anyone seen the new Royal Rumble spot on TV yet? I just saw it on Fox News and I actaully laughed out loud for a few minutes afterwards.

Hehe I still get a chuckle just thinking about it.

If you haven't seen it yet, it starts out with whole McManon family dressed as Romans at the colluseum. Vince as Ceaser is great. (but not as funny as Shaneimus.) Bwahahahaha. :D

Oh man that commercial is terrible. I'm still trying to figure out what dance it is shane is always trying to do.

Dragstrip85

01-14-2006, 11:38 PM

Does anyone find it kind of B.S. that they said it would be a Smackdown battle royale, and a guy from RAW joins the match at the last second....and Teddy Long is OK with it?!?!

Well, not JUST some Raw guy.. I mean Angle was the hometown hero that night... is he from Pittsburgh or Philly? I forget which. SD! was held in Philly I think

Storyline wise, I think Teddy Long could have bought out any wrestler's contract from the Raw brand since there is no current Raw GM at the moment

Gryph

01-15-2006, 04:23 AM

Oh man that commercial is terrible. I'm still trying to figure out what dance it is shane is always trying to do.

Actually it's not a dance. It's a comical boxing shuffle. He's done it for a long time. Ever since he wrestled way back.

Also, in the commercial the crowd is chanting "You screwed Bretticus!"

Lastly, Angle is still part of RAW at the moment. He's still having his match against Michaels monday. I'm guessing Vince will send him to Smackdown afterwards since RAW already has one champion.

drippy

01-16-2006, 11:39 AM

I know you will all be excited to know this, the latest WWE news is that Tim White hangs himself in new video.

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/2006/articles/1137389024.php

In his latest videotaped attempt to commit suicide, former WWE referee Tim White gets on a chair and hangs himself right in front of Josh Matthews.

The attempt comes after Matthews reads a letter from Casey of New Jersey who advised White to "hang in there."

The video is available at WWE.com.

Predaking

01-16-2006, 01:42 PM

The Battle Royale on SD! was great. They highlighted several possible feuds with Henry/Mysterio and Henry/Lachley. I am interested in both feuds and I think Mark Henry could be in line for a big push now that Batista is out for few months. Lachley is a big man but he looks so puny next to Henry lol.

Gryph

01-16-2006, 03:30 PM

Sting showed up at the TNA Final Resolution PPV last night. He and Christian work very well together. I can't wait to see what kind of ratings he draws for Impact.

Gryph

01-16-2006, 03:56 PM

Sting showed up at the TNA Final Resolution PPV last night. He and Christian work very well together. I can't wait to see what kind of ratings he draws for Impact.

e3nine

01-16-2006, 10:58 PM

is there a match where Ric Flair doesn't gush from a massive head wound? I mean, this guy just juices in all his matches now, it's getting disturbing and gross.

Cataclizm1

01-17-2006, 05:07 PM

Sting showed up at the TNA Final Resolution PPV last night. He and Christian work very well together. I can't wait to see what kind of ratings he draws for Impact.
Sting will have a better chance of drawing ratings for Impact if they let him do anything other than just yell at Jarret from backstage on the loudspeaker.

Predaking

01-17-2006, 05:11 PM

is there a match where Ric Flair doesn't gush from a massive head wound? I mean, this guy just juices in all his matches now, it's getting disturbing and gross.

It's about the only thing Flair can do well these days. That old chump should retire already!

Neomarsala

01-17-2006, 10:42 PM

Call me a sucker, but I was actually surprised that Flair didn't win. Nothing against Edge, he seems cool enough, but I just can't see him holding onto the belt for a lot longer. I would be shocked to if Edge is still the champ after the next PPV, but then again I doubt they'd give it back to Cena so soon. Cena actually seems a little cooler without belt IMO. Someday I'd like to see Cena get it again, but I'd rather a few other people get to hold it for a while.

Sonscreen

01-23-2006, 01:58 PM

Anyone catch the last Smackdown? That was a pretty cool counter that Mark Henry did after Rey Mysterio's frog splash.

Predaking

01-23-2006, 03:37 PM

I thought Mark Henry's standing power slam (his finisher) would look even better if he'd add splash at the end but it might have injured his opponents for real. As the way it is now it's not that impressive looking. I say he use splash as finisher instead.

Shaun_C

01-26-2006, 05:33 PM

Tim White segment (http://www.wwe.com/superstars/timwhite/videos/)

On WWE.com they've posted the latest Tim White segment entitled "Tim White Cuts Loose" :peoples:

Okay I haven't actually sat down and watched a WWE show for a few months.So who's this Tim White guy?

But seriously WHAT are those writers thinking?I mean suicide?!?! :peoples:

I wanted to throw up,I'm not thinking "WOW this is cool" I'm thinking "How low has WWE sunk"

Although I really don't have much interest in wrestling anymore.If I remember I'll watch TNA on SpikeTV,at least THAT SHOW has some decent action

drippy

01-26-2006, 05:39 PM

It's discussed a bit in the ongoing wrestling discussion thread.

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=86824&page=1&pp=40

*edit* Just to clarify, the latest vid to show up has not been discussed, but earlier vids are mentioned in the thread.

Shin-Gouki

01-26-2006, 05:45 PM

I Tivo the shows and FF through everything but the matches.

HEAR THAT VINCE???!!! Your writers suck the sweat off a dead man's balls!!! Get off Joey Styles' ass for calling matches instead of selling your retarded story lines!!!! Knock off the Suicide, Necrophelia, and all the other BULLSHIT that has destroyed your brand since you made the worst mistake of your carrier, buying WCW! When you bought them you stopped having to wory about protecting your lunch and as a result you have turned the WWE into the worst thing I have seen since WCCW and GLOW!!! YOU SUCK! Thank God TNA Signed Sting, I hope they keep getting people you screw over and turn your nose up at, I hope they become a big time competitor for you because you have only done anything worth a shit when you were worried about staying in business. In the 80's you were up against the regonals and the NWA, in the 90's it was WCW, now there is nothing and because of it you SUCK ASS!!!!

drippy

01-26-2006, 05:56 PM

I'm not generally disagreeing with that assessment, however, for the past two weeks, RAW ratings have been huge (relatively speaking).

http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=15327

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/2006/articles/1138251829.php

Shin-Gouki

01-26-2006, 06:01 PM

Yeah they have due to tard asses that are hoping to see Boobs, for fuck's sake people download some fucking porn

drippy

01-26-2006, 06:02 PM

Yeah they have due to tard asses that are hoping to see Boobs, for fuck's sake people download some fucking porn
Isn't most porn the fucking kind? :p

Zero Prime

01-26-2006, 06:02 PM

I think you made that clear enough :)

Besides, TNA has a much better line up. And best of all the Stinger premiers Sat. at 11:00pm, and in his black and white too. I can't wait!

Shin-Gouki

01-26-2006, 06:06 PM

Isn't most porn the fucking kind? :p

You don't get out much do you? All sorts of wierd shit out there....
:sly: :puke2: :confused2

drippy

01-26-2006, 06:08 PM

You don't get out much do you? All sorts of wierd shit out there....
:sly: :puke2: :confused2
I did say most eh? :sly:

Neomarsala

01-29-2006, 01:32 PM

cagliostro

01-29-2006, 04:43 PM

Your writers suck the sweat off a dead man's balls!!! Get off Joey Styles' ass for calling matches instead of selling your retarded story lines!!!!Thank God TNA Signed Sting, I hope they keep getting people you screw over and turn your nose up at, I hope they become a big time competitor for you because you have only done anything worth a shit when you were worried about staying in business. In the 80's you were up against the regonals and the NWA, in the 90's it was WCW, now there is nothing and because of it you SUCK ASS!!!![/QUOTE]

Right on thats all so F'N true. Whats up with Vince giving Styles crap for caling the maches? I think he is the best thing to happen to raw in years. I mean at least he talks about whats going on in the ring. Frankly I miss the days of Gordon Sollie(sp) and Gorilla Monson calling matches I mean I loved lerning what all the diferent moves and holds are called. Thats part of the reason Styles kicks ass is he puts off that kind of vibe. And yes TNA needs to get big so the WWE (witch still sounds retarted) will at least try to get out of the dumper. I just hope that RVD ends up going to TNA soon I would love to see him in an X Division match agenst(sp) Samoa Joe or Auston Ares.

Shin-Gouki

01-29-2006, 10:06 PM

Rey WINS THE RUMBLE!!!!!!

It looked like it was going to be Cripple H again but Rey pulled it off and is going to Wrestlemaina, That was for you Eddie!

The_Bardock

01-30-2006, 12:41 AM

What are you guys talking about vince getting mad at someone for calling matches?

Predaking

01-30-2006, 12:40 PM

Kudos to WWE for going with a small wrestler to represent at WM, however I heard that he will somehow lose his title shot between now and WM.

Really stupid to give Cena back his belt so soon but since Edge held on to his bling bling belt there's never any doubt Cena'll get it back. Oh well I hope people will boo him again.

Gort

01-30-2006, 12:49 PM

Best moment last night:
http://www.bonicelli.com/tf/helms-champ.jpg
Worst moment:
Cena wins.

I was happy to see a surprise winner of the rumble, but I think they should have had Rey beat Henry and wrestle Angle for the title at the Rumble. That's a match people would enjoy.

Predaking

01-30-2006, 05:28 PM

Did anyone watch TNA last night? After all that hoop-la about the return of Sting and he just comes in to say Thank you and Good-bye. I always thought they were hyping the return of Sting a little too much. Oh well, I guess he would have looked a little out of place wrestling all these younger lesser known guys. He would have just overshadowed them all way too much. At least Sting had the good sense to retire while he's still cool. Unlike some guys *coughFlaircough* who just look silly fighting guys way way younger than they are.

I knew about Sting's apparent farewell speech few weeks ago and I am pretty sure it's a work speech (meaning it's storyline driven and not real). Sting is being paid $500k and has not indicated that he will retire. None of the major wrestling sites have talked about it either.

The_Bardock

01-31-2006, 02:25 PM

Yeah I bet next TNA you will see Jarrets gang saying how Sting left because he couldn't cut it anymore and has lost his touch. Then sting will have to come back to prove him wrong.

Shin-Gouki

01-31-2006, 05:08 PM

I'm glad Cena won the Title back, Edge is not over enough to be champ, especially with this lame character.

As for Sting they will do the lame Jarret taunting him until he comes back thing. Just what I wanted More Jarret :redface2:

Cataclizm1

01-31-2006, 05:37 PM

Neomarsala

01-31-2006, 06:00 PM

Just what I wanted More Jarret :redface2:

Yeah, I've never liked Jarret.

Anywho, I'm sitting here at work with nothing to do at the moment so I thought I'd make a quick list of a few things I don't like about WWE right now.

Shelton Benjamin - I think he has some potential if only they'd get rid of the "momma's boy" gimmick. It may actually toughen his image up if he told his mom to go away.

Chris Masters - There is nothing about this guy that I like. Once someone finally breaks his masterlock(which I think it's about time someone did), what will he be about then?

Female Wrestlers - I think Women's Wrestling needs to go completely. I don't find it that "exciting" or anything. It's mostly just stupid. The Mickie James/Trish Stratus storyline makes me want to throw something at the TV everytime I see it. The gals need to go back to being mainly ringside distractions.

That's all I can think of at the moment. I'm sure these are kind of universal complaints, but I decided to post them anyway.

Gort

02-01-2006, 07:37 AM

I have a possible theory on Sting's departure: Maybe Sting is "retiring" the Crow gimmick, and he'll go back to his colorful style and energetic persona of old? (Before the crow gimmick) Sort of like how Hogan dropped the Black and white and went back to the red and yellow.

From what I've read, he gave the speech as part of a storyline. Jarrett will be making fun of him for weeks and weeks until he crosses some line that forces Sting to come out of "retirement" and challenge Jarrett.

Sting just signed a huge contract (by TNA standards) and this is all a storyline.

_____

And Shin, do you really have over 2 billion posts or is that a mod trick?

Zero Prime

02-01-2006, 07:47 AM

Umm, look at how long it says he has been a member.

I do hope Sting does come back (again). I think the wrestling world needs some one like him to give it back that flair, and no I don't mean Rick.

drippy

02-01-2006, 11:19 AM

So the big push should be for a guy who hasn't wrestled in 5 years? What about all the young guys who have been working their asses off to make TNA (somewhat) of a success?

Yeah, hurray, Sting is here. :(

Gryph

02-01-2006, 05:06 PM

Lemmie break it down for you.

Sting = ratings
ratings = better timslot, longer show, and/or multiple shows
better timeslot, longer show, and/or multiple shows = more exposure for the young tallent

You have to remember that people are retarded. Many people don't watch tna because of it's lack of well known stars. I remember one fool here who said he wouldn't watch it for that very reason.

Besides, Sting isn't the only on getting a push right now. Christian is getting a huge push also. He's got a title match against JJ at the next PPV.

drippy

02-01-2006, 05:24 PM

It's a double edged sword to be sure. And I do understand how ratings work. But there's no reason in the world to give Sting a title push upon his return (what's currently in the works).

What does it say about the promotion to the guys working so hard when they're ignored and passed up so that an old man who hasn't wrestled in years gets a push? You can't have a promotion with one wrestler eh? You need a roster right? Why continue to work for a company who consistently does this to you? They can find better pay and be passed up for a push at the WWE right? Once you get to the WWE, you're kinda hosed though...at least until they get some better writers and Vince gets his head screwed on right.

You think TNA will put the strap on Christian?

You hear Vince is getting sued for sexual harrassment? He allegedly groped an attendent at the local tanning place after the Rumble.

Gryph

02-01-2006, 06:04 PM

I'll be surprised if Christian doesn't get it before the year's up.

drippy

02-01-2006, 06:15 PM

I'll be surprised if Christian doesn't get it before the year's up.
The reason I asked is because I would bet good money he doesn't beat Jarrett. At least at the next PPV.

Assuming I'm right, that in turn means we get to see old men wrestling for the strap. Same ole same ole and stuff we've seen a thousand times. This doesn't build an audience long term.

Long term is pushing the younger hard working hungry guys. Get the audience into the guys who have miles to go on their careers and if necessary, get them involved with the Sting and others *insert former huge star*. Pay Sting ridiculous amounts of money to make a comeback, temporarily push ratings and get the new guys over! Build the promotion on the new stars...to me, that would get the audience hooked for longer than a PPV or two.

Am I crazy?

drippy

02-02-2006, 06:41 PM

Am I crazy?

Based on lack of responses, I'm going to go out on a limb and say yes. Ah well.

Anyhoo, Tazz & Michael Cole are getting their own show on Sirius. I may have to check that out. Wonder what they'll talk about?

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/2006/articles/1138910600.php

mrhillz

02-02-2006, 08:47 PM

If anyone cares about indy wrestling, the local wrestling federation's music videos can be seen here. I suggest check out the ones of Ricochet, and Chuck Taylor. Ricochet's finisher is an in ring double moonsault, which is extremeley hard to pull off. I'd expect to see him make a name of himself from all of this in the next few years. http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=seatea

Gryph

02-03-2006, 02:35 AM

Never heard of CPW before. There's a guy in either HWA or OVW (I forget which) that also does a double moonsault. If I'm not mistaken he even did a tripple off of a cage onto some tables.

Neomarsala

02-06-2006, 09:14 PM

Where the Hell did Hacksaw Jim Dougan(sp?) come from and what was the point of it? I kind of liked it, but it was odd.

Chaos Muffin

02-07-2006, 10:36 AM

Hav'nt watched much wresting lately. Except for that Sabu guy, he's nuts!

Dragstrip85

02-07-2006, 03:37 PM

Where the Hell did Hacksaw Jim Dougan(sp?) come from and what was the point of it? I kind of liked it, but it was odd.

You mean at the Royal Rumble?

Well, remember how Cena was calling Lita a "ho" a previous week during his little "rap" before the R.R. ?
Hacksaw Jim Duggan's trademark yell is... "HOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!" :redface2:

so uh, yeah
:lol

Cataclizm1

02-07-2006, 03:58 PM

Does anyone know what the Honky Tonk Man is up to these days? He was my favorite as a kid.

Dragstrip85

02-15-2006, 12:55 PM

Damn, what happened to the Smackdown Spoilers this week! :mad I want to know what happens!

e3nine

02-15-2006, 01:52 PM

Does anyone know what the Honky Tonk Man is up to these days? He was my favorite as a kid.

He runs a website where he says some CRAZY things to get attention.

Where are the SD spoilers? I wonder if they're taping tonight.

Edgewise

02-15-2006, 02:12 PM

Smackdown spoilers are usually up fairly quickly here: Wrestling Observer (http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/)

If you don't listen to their radio show sundays 7-9(central time), you should.

gil

02-15-2006, 05:50 PM

I'll be surprised if Christian doesn't get it before the year's up.

I can't believe no one mentioned it, but Christian beat Double J for the NWA belt.

Gryph

02-15-2006, 11:32 PM

Yeah! Isn't it sweet!?

Dragstrip85

02-15-2006, 11:43 PM

Smackdown spoilers are usually up fairly quickly here: Wrestling Observer (http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/)

If you don't listen to their radio show sundays 7-9(central time), you should.

Did some searches and found the spoilers on PWInsider, thanks :)

I only visit ProWrestling or 1Wrestling, but sometimes one of them is slow

OmegaScourge

02-16-2006, 02:13 AM

I visit

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news
and
http://www.prowrestling.com

they both have some good stuff to read....

Gort

02-16-2006, 04:00 PM

I visit

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news
and
http://www.prowrestling.com

they both have some good stuff to read....

Prowrestling.com is extremely pop-up heavy and I assume the other is as well. Visit with caution.

Edgewise

02-16-2006, 04:28 PM

Prowrestling.com is extremely pop-up heavy and I assume the other is as well. Visit with caution.

Pop ups are why I stopped looking at 411, plus half of the individual news posts were just cut-n-paste jobs from the Observer's single daily update.

OmegaScourge

02-17-2006, 05:47 AM

well...in sad news, Johnny Grudge of Public Enemy has passed away...its sad to see young talented people pass at a young age

Shin-Gouki

02-18-2006, 12:04 AM

Taker just Tombstoned the Worlds Strongest Jobber, WOW!

Gryph

02-18-2006, 12:57 PM

Yeah, that was pretty awsome wasn't it?

funkatron101

02-18-2006, 02:52 PM

well...in sad news, Johnny Grudge of Public Enemy has passed away...its sad to see young talented people pass at a young age

Dang, both members of Public Enemy are gone. :thumbdown Grunge was only 39.

Sonscreen

02-27-2006, 11:46 AM

I was channel flipping last night and I caught Stacy Kiebler on some dancing competition show. She looked really good and put on a great performance.

Is it just me or is the only thing worth watching on WWE is Kurt Angle? Man that guy can put on great matches with anyone.

drippy

02-27-2006, 12:02 PM

Is it just me or is the only thing worth watching on WWE is Kurt Angle? Man that guy can put on great matches with anyone.

It's not just you. Too bad he's on Smackdown.

LigerPrime

02-27-2006, 12:05 PM

Taker just Tombstoned the Worlds Strongest Jobber, WOW!

When!?! When!?!? At the lastest SD?!

Sonscreen

02-27-2006, 03:52 PM

When!?! When!?!? At the lastest SD?!

No, it was the one before No Way Out PPV.

It's not just you. Too bad he's on Smackdown.

You can't get Smackdown? or do you mean the quality of the show?

drippy

02-27-2006, 04:16 PM

No, it was the one before No Way Out PPV.

You can't get Smackdown? or do you mean the quality of the show?
The latter.

Sonscreen

02-27-2006, 09:54 PM

Hmm, you may be right. Though I think Randy Orton and Lashley may be the next gems. I really hope we can see some more Angle vs Benoit matches. They might not be able to wrestle much longer what with their neck problems and such.

Shin-Gouki

02-27-2006, 10:06 PM

Lashley is a beast! I see a lot of future in him. Angle is a machine, so is Benoit sadly after his short time with the title he'll be burried as if Vince didn't make you he'll burry you, ask Booker T. I am thrilled to see Finlay back but again he is not Vince's creation so he will go nowhere.

The best thing they can do is fire all of creative and put on a show the caliber of what TNA is because if TNA gets a few more key players and with the the new time slot they are going to threat.

LigerPrime

02-28-2006, 03:42 AM

No, it was the one before No Way Out PPV.

NWO?! Shucks, looks like I have to watch that. And what's the deal with the WWE for not making Lashly going on a moster run like Brock? The dude's impressive!

Weirdwolf

02-28-2006, 05:21 AM

And what's the deal with the WWE for not making Lashly going on a moster run like Brock? The dude's impressive!

He lacks polished mic skills, or otherwise, they would. Give him time, though, and once he gets good on the mic he'll be pushed even more heavily. Bank on it.

Anyone else getting a kick out of the nostalgic wrestlers they've been bringing back (ie Tatanka, Marty Jannetty, to an extent Goldust...)?

LigerPrime

02-28-2006, 08:25 AM

He lacks polished mic skills, or otherwise, they would. Give him time, though, and once he gets good on the mic he'll be pushed even more heavily. Bank on it.

Anyone else getting a kick out of the nostalgic wrestlers they've been bringing back (ie Tatanka, Marty Jannetty, to an extent Goldust...)?

I get your point but that didn't stop the WWE with Brock, right? And yes, I'm getting a kick outta seeing guys like Tatanka etc!

The_Bardock

02-28-2006, 10:37 AM

Wait they actually brought back Tatanka? Damn why did they put him on smackdown.

Sonscreen

02-28-2006, 11:24 AM

I get your point but that didn't stop the WWE with Brock, right? And yes, I'm getting a kick outta seeing guys like Tatanka etc!

I guess WWE is afraid of people leaving after a monster push. It sucked how Lesnar just left after accomplishing so much in such a short time.

Smackdown ratings must be in the toilet, they seem desperate to try to find the next big thing. Now you have boogey men, pirates, midget wrestlers, etc. Here’s a suggestion, how about getting more guys that can actually put on a good match?

It seems like WWE likes to slap random people together to make tag teams too.

Gryph

02-28-2006, 01:44 PM

That's the problem! Smackdown has plenty of good talent. WWE just won't let them do anything. Shane Helms and Matt Hardy are great examples. Helms has created many amazing looking solo, double team, and even triple team moves, but WWE won't alow him to use any of them. Then you got Matt. He's learned lots of new stuff since he's been away, but once again WWE won't let him do anything but the same old stuff. WWE is trying to control their talent way too much.

Another fine example is John Cena. There are two reasons he's being booed right now and both are solely WWE's fault. Cena is a fantastic worker. He showed it alot the first few years he was there. Around the time they made him champ though, they wouldn't let him do a damn thing. The other is his lack of mic time and restrictions. You hardly ever see him on the mic anymore and when you do it's not nearly as good as it used to be. The man is almost as good as The Rock was on the mic. Not letting him be funny is one of the dumbest things they're doing right now. The mic thing aplies to everyone really though. Another good example of it is from Stone Cold's book. In it he mentions the wrestler's being given scripts now. He mentions some moron trying to give one to Flair. "You don't hand Ric Flair a script!" He comments in the book. So true.

drippy

02-28-2006, 02:29 PM

Why the hell would they put Flair over Carlito to get into a Money In the Bank ladder match at Mania?

Predaking

02-28-2006, 02:46 PM

Why the hell would they put Flair over Carlito to get into a Money In the Bank ladder match at Mania?

Yeah I thought that was dumb too. Calito is the next wwe star and you don't push some wrestler who's approaching 60 another shot at the title over him. I think it has to do with backstage politics and Flair wielding too much power.

drippy

02-28-2006, 02:54 PM

Todd Martin puts it pretty well.

http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/features/default.asp?aID=15641

Ric Flair beat Carlito to qualify for the Money in the Bank match. What in the name of God is Flair doing in that match? Do they want to kill him? I mean seriously, do they even understand the idea behind a spot-oriented gimmick match? If they came up with the Ultimate X match, I swear they would be putting Flair in that as well. I hope they are prepared to accept the consequences of what happens when Flair seriously injures himself in a match he has no business being in.

Sonscreen

02-28-2006, 03:56 PM

Why the hell would they put Flair over Carlito to get into a Money In the Bank ladder match at Mania?

They should just put Flair into an Elimination Chamber match, or Hell in the Cell just to get it over with. :D

WWE can make ANYONE into a superstar if they wanted to; look at what they did for JBL and Mark Henry Why do they insist on pushing established stars?

Edgewise

02-28-2006, 04:35 PM

I pretty much agree with Todd Martin's words on Flair and MITB, but I wouldn't be surprised to sometime see Flair lose this spot and to Carlito win another spot.

For Lashley/Lesnar comparisons... Lashley doesn't have the in-ring skills Lesnar had when he got pushed, or at least he hasn't had a chance to show them. Lesnar also turned out to be a very fast learner, Lashley isn't there yet and I believe has been in development for longer.

Gregory Helms does have some fantastic moves like the Vertebreaker that he used a handful of times earlier in his WWE career, but I don't blame them not letting him do that move. Aren't a lot of these limitations coming after the epidemic of neck-fusion surgeries? Face it, late 90's and early 00's, wrestlers were doing too much, taking too many risks, working too hard, etc... they needed to slow it down.

Cena is NOT a fantastic worker, he's decent and can have a great match with great workers or with "wild" match stipulations like his I Quit match with JBL.... Incredible, incredible match from two mediocre workers.

Shin-Gouki

03-01-2006, 05:35 AM

Predaking

03-01-2006, 12:53 PM

I think Cena's a decent to good level worker, but he has the heart and determination of a Benoit, though honestly not being in Benoit's league. He also has the Mic skills of a Rock, but they are controling him very strictly.

I think it just boils down to one thing and one thing only. HHH

He's afraid that Cena is going to take off like the Rock did, like Austin did and take the spotlight from his sorry ass. So he's got Daughter Dearest and her crew destroying his character. It also does not help that the creative department completely BLOWS!

Oh and dispite the lame ass story that will go with it I look forward to a Benoit Finlay fewd

Agree 100% Cena was awesome when he was US Champ then fueding with JBL for the title. He's at his best when given freedom to do freestyle rap and insult people without resorting to penis and gay jokes. He could be the next Jericho but alas the writing team made him what he is today: a face that gets booed on regular basis. HHH specifically target Cena to be his opponent for WM and I guess what he says goes. I refuse to believe people who defended Trips saying he's got no backstage politics going and keeping other wrestlers down. I hope RVD will get a title shot and even get chance to be the top face to see how it goes. Cena is boring right now lets give it to other deserving wrestlers besides HHH.

LigerPrime

03-01-2006, 06:49 PM

Agree 100% Cena was awesome when he was US Champ then fueding with JBL for the title. He's at his best when given freedom to do freestyle rap and insult people without resorting to penis and gay jokes. He could be the next Jericho but alas the writing team made him what he is today: a face that gets booed on regular basis. HHH specifically target Cena to be his opponent for WM and I guess what he says goes. I refuse to believe people who defended Trips saying he's got no backstage politics going and keeping other wrestlers down. I hope RVD will get a title shot and even get chance to be the top face to see how it goes. Cena is boring right now lets give it to other deserving wrestlers besides HHH.

Same here...I really hope what you and Shin say isn't true but by the way things are going for Cena, it looks like both of you guys are correct.

I didn't like Cena intially because I found his gimmick to be lame but his mic skills, work-rate and the ability to put in a decent match won me over...until his move to Raw.

As for the WWE not pushing Lashley...I kinda agree with the earlier posts but still think its a pity. If given an instant push, Lashley could be an instant top face or heel.

Gryph

03-01-2006, 08:18 PM

Lashly should not be instantly pushed. They already made that mistake with Orton. You should never give such a big push to a guy that green. He's got serious potential, but they need to pace him.

gil

03-01-2006, 10:58 PM

They went from Brock to Batista. If Batista ever decides to leave then they'll probably put Lashley in Brock/Batista's position.

I'm feeling like I'm the only one who believe that HHH is the only one who deserves to wear the Raw Belt right now. RVD should go for the IC Belt. Then later go after the World belt. RVD would look way better beating HHH for that belt then if RVD won against Cena or Edge.

noblekale

03-01-2006, 11:42 PM

Personally, I think that Lashley should be pushed in a different way. He's got the look, but not much skill, so why not try a Goldberg style push with him so he really doesn't have to do much. Make him a monster in the ring and don't screw up the push. But of course, WWE isn't smart enough to consider that idea.

I'm amazed they haven't stuck him with a gangsta gimmick to go against the kiddie gimmick of Boogeyman. WWE is trying to bring back the age of gimmicks and doing a horrible job. They go from one extreme (all real names, no real character) to the other (all gimmick, no wrestling) and that's where their downfall is going to come from.

Birchill as a pirate, am I the only one who thinks that's the only good gimmick to come out of this?

Anyway, I think WWE needs to find a happy medium of wrestling ability and gimmick. Otherwise, going too far one way or the other is going to cause them to go the way of WCW. Hell, cut down the mic time and backstage gimmicks, and have them do it more in the ring. Look at TNA, 1 hr show they can get around 5 matches in, and have some backstage work too. I remember back when you used to have 8-10 matches at a WWE event, now you're lucky if you get 4 matches.

Oh, I think I'm back now, so expect more complaints of WWE to come :P

LigerPrime

03-02-2006, 04:52 AM