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Primal
06-09-2005, 04:58 PM
STRENGTH OF CHARACTER: CASEY TALKS "G.I. JOE: AMERICA'S ELITE"
by Dave Richards (dave@comicbookresources.com), Contributing Writer
Posted: June 9, 2005

The G.I. Joe-Cobra war is coming to a close. The Joes have experienced heavy losses and now they find themselves not only fighting the remaining forces of Cobra, but a new terrorist threat as well, the Red Shadows. The team is outgunned and wounded, but the G.I. Joe team won't back down, they'll step up and show the world why they are "America's Elite." The new monthly series, "G.I. Joe: America's Elite" written by Joe Casey with art by Stefano Casseli, launches this July from Devils Due Publishing (http://www.devilsdue.net/) with a special $.25 cent zero issue. Casey briefed CBR News on the new, more dangerous era for the G.I. Joe team.

What drew Casey to the monthly "G.I. Joe" book was the work of the title's previous writers. "Josh offered me the opportunity to take on the relaunch late last year. When he sent me the full DDP run that had been published up until that point, I was really impressed with how cool the series was," Casey told CBR News. "I give full props to Josh for bringing back this franchise with a true fan's passion. So, when a bar's set that high, the challenge alone gets me interested. The characters are great, the fans are a dedicated crowd, so I figured it'd be a fun ride."

When "G.I. Joe: America's Elite" begins, a year has passed since readers last saw the Joe team. The year allowed Casey to adopt more of a clean slate approach to the title. When the title begins, many new things are happening to the G.I. Joe team. "They've gone back to a covert status (which a few Joes jeopardize in the very first issue!), they've got a new CO and a new headquarters located in an American landmark" said Casey.

Casey would not reveal who would be part of the new team. "Readers will have to check out the book to find out the answers to those questions," he explained. "Seeing the new status quo is part of the fun."

The G.I. Joe team isn't the only ones entering a new era. The Joe's principal adversary, Cobra, has undergone a number of changes as well. "This is the only thing I can say about the current series-- the way it wraps up has an enormous effect on Cobra and their presence in the world," Casey said. "I think Cobra Commander is one of the coolest villains in comic books and one of the main things we've set out to do with the new series is to reinstall a sense of mystique to him. He should be the heavy hitter in the Joe's universe, the man that truly gives them pause. And, even more worrisome than when he is around... is when he isn't. Cobra Commander will end up being the obsession of more than one of the Joes."

Readers shouldn't expect to immediately see a huge number of former foes in "G.I. Joe: America's Elite." "Some of the Joes' adversaries are going to be placed on the shelf for awhile, at least for the first year," Casey explained. "One of my mandates has been to streamline things and provide a good jumping on point (yup, that old chestnut!) for any newcomers. Plenty of old favorites will be showing up for the party, but I'm keeping a tight focus so things don't ever spiral out of control. Sometimes, too many characters running around leaves no room for real drama."

There is one old enemy readers will definitely see in the pages of "America's Elite." "Destro is probably one of my favorite characters, from way back when I first saw the action figure that one of my childhood friends-- who was the G.I. Joe collector of our little clique-- got for his birthday," Casey explained. "Maybe because he's got a real Doctor Doom thing going for him. He's regal and evil at the same time. And, of course, the death of the Baroness has made him more driven than ever, but in a whole new way."

In addition to old threats the G.I. Joe team will also be battling new opponents. Casey said that expanding the Joe's universe was another reason for the relaunch.

The plot of the book won't be broken up into short multi-part arcs. "I haven't really been writing any of my comic books in 'arcs' lately," Casey said. "I think the whole 'Part 1 of X'-mentality has been burned out lately. Issue #0 kicks off a long story that will take many twists and turns through the first year of the series. Character relationships and old rivalries take center stage, accompanying catastrophic events that put the 'war' back into G.I. Joe as a 'war comic.'"

The tone of "America's Elite" will reflect what Casey feels is the book's most important elements. "Military-styled, hi-octane action plus deeper characterization and emotional drama," Casey said. "We want readers to get reinvested in the characters again. If we can do that, mission accomplished."

Casey hopes that the characters and their interactions will become the primary reason readers pick up 'G.I. Joe: America's Elite." "I think the main difference between the new series and previous volumes is that harder focus on character relationships. Sometimes readers of a franchise that's been around for awhile can start to care more about the characters because of their own personal attachment rather than the events that take place within the actual stories themselves. It's only natural and it's one of the great things about comic books, that kind of intense reader interaction and the way certain characters spark the imagination. What we're hoping is to get people talking about the actual stories again, seeing exactly what happens to these characters right on the page and getting caught up in it."View:"G.I. Joe: America's Elite" #0, Page 8 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview.php?image=previews/devilsdue/gijoe_ae/issue00_page08.jpg)
"G.I. Joe: America's Elite" #0, Page 13 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview.php?image=previews/devilsdue/gijoe_ae/issue00_page13.jpg)
"G.I. Joe: America's Elite" #0, Page 14 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview.php?image=previews/devilsdue/gijoe_ae/issue00_page14.jpg)
"G.I. Joe: America's Elite" #1 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview.php?image=previews/devilsdue/gijoe_ae/cover01.jpg)
"G.I. Joe: America's Elite" #1, Page 6 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview.php?image=previews/devilsdue/gijoe_ae/issue01_page06.jpg)
"G.I. Joe: America's Elite" #1, Page 14 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview.php?image=previews/devilsdue/gijoe_ae/issue01_page14.jpg)Source: Comic Book Resources (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=5397)

Kickback
06-09-2005, 05:07 PM
No offense ... but that looks like shyte.

"We want to focus on a core group of characters" = "Hasbro said we need to focus on the characters that are going to be toys" ... and "Cobra Commander not being around is part of the story!" = "Hasbro isn't releasing Cobra Commander in the new Elite line, so we can't use him."

Primal
06-09-2005, 05:31 PM
The art reminds me of Defex.
EDIT: Just check, it's the same artist.

Anyway, here's a 5 page preview for Elite #0 (http://www.devilsdue.net/5pagers/gijoeae00/index.html)

Click images to enlarge.
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Kickback
06-09-2005, 06:25 PM
Still not liking it. *shrug*

Wingwolf77
06-10-2005, 12:18 AM
No different that what is going on with the new Transformers. Hasbro seems to be calling all the shots again. And they don't want to lose the old fans, so they try and sell it like it's just like the 80's brand.

ginrai
06-10-2005, 02:03 AM
The Gijoe Comics been Shitty since Issue 27

Issue 25, Snake eyes Catches a GRENADE in the chest., and in issue 27 he is kicking the Crap out of a Ninja master.. All this after Brandon Jerwa PROMISED not to over used him. He has Since been the Sole Reason for 3 mini series, and the Entire Run of the main book bar a few issues.


Jerwa= Fanboy Hack. Should have Atleast moved Chuck Dixon over from Reloaded Series when they Canned that just as it was getting good..

They make this HUGE fucking deal about Chuck dixon coming to Write there books. He comes on in issue 10, and then they Shitcan it at Issue 14.

centurian
06-10-2005, 12:29 PM
I bought every issue of the devil's due Joe run - but I'm not sure I'm going to even bother with this. Joe Colton' back from the dead and they've gone and turned shipwreck into a hobo - but at least he looks more womanly than scarlet does there!

I'm sorry but the last story arc was shit - and I can't honestly see this as being any better.

I know they intended this re-launch to be a jump on point for new readers - but I think I may well be jumping off. As far as GI Joe goes - I think I've lost the faith.

ginrai
06-11-2005, 04:12 PM
I dont think thats Joe colton. I think thats some one all new.

centurian
06-11-2005, 04:26 PM
The president calls him Colton on page 4 and then Joseph on page 5.

With all due respect to Joe Colton fans - I was begining to quite like sur.. General Rey.

Star Saber
06-15-2005, 09:12 AM
hmm so storm shadow's back with the joes...
is this a decision by hasbro? they look so confused, first he's a cobra ninja, then gi joe, then cobra again, then back to gi joe? i mean seriously now...

ginrai
06-15-2005, 04:54 PM
No Hasbro wants him to stay a Cobra last i heard.

I think its just More Fanwankiness on DDPs part.

Edge
06-15-2005, 05:40 PM
well i picked up the 25 cent issue today and i dont think it was that bad from what i read. But i never really read the previous series so from a new guys point of view looks rather intresting.

Wreckgar
06-15-2005, 06:55 PM
Yea, I spent a shiny quarter on this and have to say, it wasn't as bad as I was expecting. However it also didn't seem that promising. here's why...

SPOILER

- Hawk is going insane with rage against CC. He wants Duke to be his mole on the team so he knows what's going on as well as making it their mission to find CC.
- Flint is also insane from the death of Lady jaye. Almost killed a Viper.
- Storm Shadow is on the team? When did he turn good?
- Sipwreck looks like a bum.

The only good thing is seeing Joe Colton as acting general of the squad. A squad of 7. Which I think bites. I want to see beachhead, Rock n Roll, and the rest. Not just Flint, Duke, Scarlett, SS, Snake-Eyes, Roadblock. A team of the consistantly overused players. YAWN

ginrai
06-15-2005, 07:08 PM
But did they explain how Joe Colton survived ? But then they Brought back Vance wingfeild.. a man we saw get Shot IN PANEL in issue 4 of the marvel series.

Wreckgar
06-15-2005, 09:38 PM
Joe was said to be critically shot but survived. They mention this in the last issue of the previous series.

ginrai
06-15-2005, 10:34 PM
ahh Ive not read either of them.. Ive made up my mind not to read the series again until Hawk is back walking.

wheeljack01
06-17-2005, 12:50 PM
In my opinion the image/devils due series has done pretty much nothing but piss on my favorite characters. Though i like how destro was handed in the series from time to time.

centurian
06-17-2005, 01:58 PM
I deliberate haven't picked up the issue 0 out of protest of how frigging bad the last story arc was.

I've also deliberately avioded the spolier just in case I do pick it up at some point.

In not geting this, am I just cutting my nose of to smite my face? Or does it have any redemable features?

I'm still no sold on the idea of this "relaunch" - but if someone can shine a glimmer of hope my way I might be willing to part with 20p.

ginrai
06-17-2005, 08:33 PM
well.. Quite frankly no.

From most of the people i talked to at my comic shop, Theyve been alienated by the Disgusting display in the last arc of Killing off anyone jerwa could get his hands on.

I think killing Lady jaye was just the straw that broke the camels back. This " Relaunch" Could actually loose them customers, becuase now that its not a continueing number, People dont feel the need to keep buying it even if its not very good.

Spartan-117
06-18-2005, 02:42 AM
So they went mental and killed everyone last time around? That's never a good idea. Despite that I think from the previews it looks pretty good, I've never really followed GI Joe at all and it looks like an interesting jump on point. Although I'm confused as to why Storm Shadow is listed as a good guy. I always thought he was a baddie.

ginrai
06-18-2005, 04:53 AM
So they went mental and killed everyone last time around? That's never a good idea. Despite that I think from the previews it looks pretty good, I've never really followed GI Joe at all and it looks like an interesting jump on point. Although I'm confused as to why Storm Shadow is listed as a good guy. I always thought he was a baddie.


Storm Shadow Became a Cobra in order to Find out who Actually Killed his master (Zartan did it), He found out and swapped to the Gijoe Team. Then after Ninja force in the last of the Orginal Marvel run. He was abducted by Cobra commander along with Zartan and Destro, and Mindbender told the commander that they all had Failsafes for the Brainwave scanner in there heads. and if he showed them his face they would be loyal.

Then he managed to Escape from cobra for a while during the " Master and aprentice" series
and then Went back to them Due to the brainwashings..

and now appearently hes been able to completly Break free of it. When in reality its only because Hasbro has no desire to use the character currently. Which is why DDP had to retcon him back as a cobra in the first place.

Gijoe: Americas Elite is just the same As Avengers Disasembled.

Kill off tons of characters, Then rebuild the team with Wolverine and Spiderman on the same team. In this case it was Snake eyes and storm shadow. Because they Sell Gijoe books. :redface: yawn.

and the Killing off of Characters was Done for " Shock Value"
If they wanted to simply Whittle down the number of Characters, They could have Disbanded the team again. But instead they took the " Fanfic" Aproach to mature Script writing. and Decided they could make it more " Adult" by killing off tons of characters.

Spartan-117
06-18-2005, 05:36 AM
Killing characters is nearly always total bullshit because in a years time they'll need to bring them back and it'll just be stupid. You really can't blame them though, with it being a liscensed title they're pretty much under Hasbro's control. So if Hasbro say tell them to put Snake Eyes in a tutu then that's pretty much what they've got to do.

ginrai
06-18-2005, 06:21 AM
wel yeah at the time. But now i dont think hasbro cares.. Americas elite seems to have nothing in common with Sigma six at all.. Though i wouldnt doubt that thats the Real reason Reloaded got canned was so they can make a Sigma Six book.

Scrapper6
06-18-2005, 07:08 AM
Who knows; all I know is that Hasbro said if the character dies in the comics they don't get any more figure treatments. Which means if anybody wants a new sculpt 3 3/4' Lady Jaye; it'll have to be from either a comic three pack or Hasbro ignores that stupid rule because of what Jerwa did. (Which was totally stupid; I mean sure when writing my own GIJoe fanfics I've had ideas where I'd kill off a character or something, but there's always a good reason for it, not stupid Shock Value... Oooo let's see how many we can off this time.)

The same could be said of the Baroness and if they ever wanted to make that ditzy new Wraith guy into a figure as well. Quite frankly I think the entire last arc was pitiful; the only good thing I could think of is they offed Mindbender, who was not only being overused he was starting to get on my nerves with the way they kept having him sell out to one side or the other. (Maybe the online exclusive 3 3/4' line will introduce a new character to replace him; like that female scientist Knox or something.)

I'll probably still get the series re-launched; mainly because I enjoy reading about the Joes no matter what, but I might just take more time to pick up the rest of the old Marvel run. (And that's going to take me a very, very long time. Man I wish I could snag all those Comic three packs to help with that, but alas Canada never gets them and online retailers, or at least the only one I do buisness with; seem not to stock them all anymore.)

Draven
06-19-2005, 10:35 AM
The Joes have experienced heavy losses and now they find themselves not only fighting the remaining forces of Cobra, but a new terrorist threat as well, the Red Shadows.
Red Shadows?
THE Red Shadows?
Haven't seen that name for a VERY long time. I wonder if it's them...

ginrai
06-19-2005, 04:31 PM
Red Shadows?
THE Red Shadows?
Haven't seen that name for a VERY long time. I wonder if it's them...


It is but it isnt.

Same name, Same sort of Organisation. But Isnt the same as the Old action Force Red shadows.

I think what they are doing is Reverse engineering Cobra commanders UK origin, This time instead of him Turning the Redshadows into Cobra, He destroyed Cobra and is now Setting up the red shadows as Baron ironblood or what ever..

G.B. Blackrock
07-11-2005, 04:45 PM
While it's certainly true that death in comic books is often done for shock value, and often results in ridiculous "resurrections" when they find they need to use the character again, it seems to me that, as a military war comic, it is ESSENTIAL that characters should die from time to time. Not a "bloodbath" like the last few issues of the DD run, but definitely from time to time.

(Actually, has anyone made a list of just WHO died in the DD run and when? I'm not at all clear, partly because of the lack of clear plotting within the art. A couple of deaths were so rushed as to not even make it clear someone had died. Of course, I'm sure that in at least one or two cases, that was done to make it easy to say "he/she didn't really die after all" in Elite.)

My two cents,
G.B. Blackrock

DevilzFan
07-11-2005, 05:36 PM
There was a list floating around. I'll see if I can dig it up. (*RIP Chuckles)

The 1st 2 issues (0 and 1) were not great. That said, Issue Two did leave me wanting more though. So hopefully it's headed in the right direction.

I highly miss Jerwa. His was my favorite writing from DD so far.

j3
07-11-2005, 05:40 PM
agreed, Jerwa was so awesome... I really wish they had given him time to more adequetely end the series

so far, I kind of like the new book too though, I really like the art

ginrai
07-12-2005, 12:09 AM
While it's certainly true that death in comic books is often done for shock value, and often results in ridiculous "resurrections" when they find they need to use the character again, it seems to me that, as a military war comic, it is ESSENTIAL that characters should die from time to time. Not a "bloodbath" like the last few issues of the DD run, but definitely from time to time.

(Actually, has anyone made a list of just WHO died in the DD run and when? I'm not at all clear, partly because of the lack of clear plotting within the art. A couple of deaths were so rushed as to not even make it clear someone had died. Of course, I'm sure that in at least one or two cases, that was done to make it easy to say "he/she didn't really die after all" in Elite.)

My two cents,
G.B. Blackrock


Actually its a Nostalgia Book based on a Childrens toy line. NOT a war book. Sgt. Rock is a war book, #303 Is a war book, War stories is a War book. Gijoe Is not.

G.B. Blackrock
07-12-2005, 08:50 AM
Actually its a Nostalgia Book based on a Childrens toy line. NOT a war book. Sgt. Rock is a war book, #303 Is a war book, War stories is a War book. Gijoe Is not.

While there are certainly differences between GI Joe and the books you mention, I daresay that a strong case could still be made for GI Joe a "war" book. If you prefer, I can still call it a "military" book (for which an even stronger case exists). Either way, deaths are a requirement from time to time if the stories are to be believable.

ginrai
07-12-2005, 02:08 PM
no they are not.

Wingwolf77
07-12-2005, 02:45 PM
Yes they are. No way that many characters go into that many battles and none die. Even when I was 7 I knew this. My friends and I would LOL at GI joe for this.

ginrai
07-12-2005, 05:08 PM
and I intend to continue to Disagree with you. This is a Childrens Toy book at its core. That dosent Make it Mandatory for characters to die.

Dont even Bother trying to change my opinion, Nothing you say will.

Wingwolf77
07-12-2005, 06:13 PM
and I intend to continue to Disagree with you. This is a Childrens Toy book at its core. That dosent Make it Mandatory for characters to die.

Dont even Bother trying to change my opinion, Nothing you say will.

Calm down dude. Just saying it's more realistic. Is it mandatory? no. But does it help a story about the military who go into battle in each story? Sure. GI Joe has grown from a kids book with it's audience. Does killing and bad language make it mature and adult? No. But a little of each would make it more realistic. That's all.
GI joe is fine with out the characters dieing. But like I said before, even when I was 7 I knew that it wasn't realistic.

G.B. Blackrock
07-12-2005, 06:19 PM
Calm down dude. Just saying it's more realistic. Is it mandatory? no. But does it help a story about the military who go into battle in each story? Sure. GI Joe has grown from a kids book with it's audience. Does killing and bad language make it mature and adult? No. But a little of each would make it more realistic. That's all.
GI joe is fine with out the characters dieing. But like I said before, even when I was 7 I knew that it wasn't realistic.

Well, ginrai's probably referring to my comments there, seeing as I'd used the word "essential" at one point (which I can certainly see being read as "mandatory). But this is because I don't see GI Joe as "a children's toy book at its core." Perhaps it was once. But I think it became something rather different quite some time ago.

But clearly he and I have different opinions on this.

ginrai
07-13-2005, 12:45 AM
I feel the same way about super hero books. Ive not read anything from marvel since they killed Thor.

I Read comics as a form of escapism.. if i want Death and mutilation and destruction, I watch the news.

G.B. Blackrock
07-13-2005, 10:14 AM
I feel the same way about super hero books. Ive not read anything from marvel since they killed Thor.

I Read comics as a form of escapism.. if i want Death and mutilation and destruction, I watch the news.

If that's what you want, that's fine. But you have to understand that many of us (possibly even a majority, although I won't swear to that) don't see comics in general (let alone GI Joe) in quite that way. Your opinion (and yes, mine, too) is just that. An opinion.

I'd actually recommend Don Rosa's "Uncle Scrooge" work, which probably sounds really condescending, since Disney comics are seen as "kid stuff." If you're at all familiar with Rosa's work, though, I think you'd agree that his stories are intelligently written, with plenty of stuff for adults thrown in, that still manages to be "escapism" of high quality.

ginrai
07-13-2005, 07:00 PM
But the problem with that is, I have no interest in reading about Uncle scrooge and the gang.


I do have an interest in reading about gijoe Multitude of characters, With out having to worry about them winding up dead, SIMPLY becuase the Writer has no talent.

Ill even go so far to say that i Dont even like the issues when HAMA killed characters off..

and for DDP to say they have to kill characters off to make it realistic.. I thought that was the whole point of them putting in the ' Green shirt" back ground guys.

Primevil
07-14-2005, 12:19 AM
So I finally managed to pick up America's Elite #1 since the shop ordered some more, and I have a few things to say about it.

Wraith and Baroness are still alive. HOT DAMN! Naturally, the "death" of the Baroness ticked me off because she's one of the core characters, but Wraith's really irked me because DDP had put so much effort into promoting/introducing him that killing him a few issues later made no sense.

The art is pretty sub-par. I can accept a gritty style, but not UGLY gritty (Scarlett should look more feminine).

Why is everyone confused about Storm Shadow being with the Joes? Did anyone even read the last 10 or so issues, or have you completely forgotten when Duke and Snake-Eyes were arrested then rescued by Scarlett and STORM SHADOW?

I thought the story is off to a decent start, but the fact that the Joes seem to have forgotten about the Red Shadows (unless this was explained in #0) and jumped to the conclusion that everything was Cobra's doing bothered me. That, and the fact that Lady Jaye is dead.

G.B. Blackrock
07-14-2005, 09:23 AM
But the problem with that is, I have no interest in reading about Uncle scrooge and the gang.

Fair enough. Just a suggestion.

I do have an interest in reading about gijoe Multitude of characters, With out having to worry about them winding up dead, SIMPLY becuase the Writer has no talent.

Now, see, THIS is the kind of thing that starts fights. You can't say a writer has no talent just because he chooses to kill a character. That's an OPINION, and some of us have already demonstrated that there can be viable reasons why killing a character may be acceptable (to others of us, if not to you).

I'm happy to debate the viability of character death in comics, but this kind of statement says I'd be wasting my time. I'm equally happy to "agree to disagree." But please don't make accusations of lack of talent for such flimsy reasons.

ginrai
07-14-2005, 01:14 PM
Ive talked to jerwa Several times in IRC chat when he first started writing the books.

Character death isnt what makes him a Hack, Gratuitious Character death Does.

He cannot find any other way to move the story forward, So he just starts killing people. Simon furman did the same thing in Transformers G2. Which i didnt like much either, But atleast since they are Robots.. They can come back.

Gratuitious character death, Reeks of Fan fiction. which is what Brandon Jerwa Was/Is a Fan fiction writer who sent some stories to ddp and they liked them enough to give him a job. Ergo, My Feelings on the subjet are. He got hired because he would work cheaper than an Allready established Writer. and instead we get Fanfiction with fancy inks and colors.

G.B. Blackrock
07-14-2005, 09:08 PM
There was a list floating around. I'll see if I can dig it up. (*RIP Chuckles)

The 1st 2 issues (0 and 1) were not great. That said, Issue Two did leave me wanting more though. So hopefully it's headed in the right direction.

I highly miss Jerwa. His was my favorite writing from DD so far.

Moving the discussion along in a somewhat different direction, how's that list coming? I really don't know that (after Elite #1) there are too many folks other than Lady Jaye that we KNOW are dead.... (I have a couple more that I think are dead, but I'll definitely agree with folks who've suggested the artistic plotting in the last few issues was difficult to follow.) For myself, I still refuse to accept that Serepentor's dead. Although this has already been explained as something that they built up, only to throw out when time ran out, they spent too much time building that up for me to just "let it go" that all the possible clones are gone.

DevilzFan
07-14-2005, 10:39 PM
Link (http://brandonjerwa.proboards24.com/index.cgi?action=search2&search=Issue+25&match=1&whattosearch=1&user=&checkall=on&board-general=1&subject=1&message=1&hours=0&days=600&maxresults=100&viewtype=1)


Dead character list update

General Flagg - Lawrence J. Flagg - #19 V1
Dr. Venom - #19 V1
Scar-Face - #19 V1
Kwinn - #19 V1
SE Family - #26 Flashback V1
Hard Master - #26 Flashback V1
Fred Broca - #32 V1
Soft Master - #43 V1
Candy Appel - #43 V1
Professor Appel - #46 V1
General Ryan - #53 V1
Admiral Dyson - #53 V1
Mangler - ? - SM #13
Serpentor ---> Resurected - #76 V1 - #22 (i think) V2
The Star Viper - SM #16
Professor Onashi - #84 v1
Blind Master - #91 V1
Colonel Brekhov - SM #26
Horrorshow - SM #26
Stormavik - SM #26
Schrage - SM #26
George Strawhacker - #106 V1
Breaker - Alvin R. Kibbey - #109 V1
Doc - Carl W. Greer - #109 V1
Quick Kick - MacArthur S. Ito - #109 V1
Thunder - Matt H. Breckinridge - #109 V1
Crazylegs - David O. Thomas - #109 V1
Crankcase - Elwood G. Indiana - #109 V1
Heavy Metal - Sherman R. Guderian - #109 V1
Cool Breeze - ? - #112 V1
Sneak Peak - Owen King - #113 V1
Avalanche - Ian Costello - #113 V1
Blaster - Brian R. David - #113 V1
Blocker - David B. McCarthy - #113 V1
Knockdown - Blaine M. Gonsalves - #113 V1
Maverick - Thomas P. Kiley - #113 V1
Dee-Jay - Thomas R. Rossi III - #113 V1
Cobra Commander II - #114 V1
Dr. Mindbender ---> Resurected - #114 V1
Croc Master - #114 V1
Raptor - #114 V1
Voltar - #114 V1
Captain Minh - #114 V1
Tyrone - #114 V1
Fred (Smith?Broca?) LXV and FAmily - #123-#124
Madame Umbra - #143 V1 Flashback
Darklon - #146 V1
Magda - #145 V1
White Clown - #145 V1
Metze - #151 V1
Senetor Cartwright - #13 V2
Flash - Anthony S. Gambello - #25 V2
Mainframe - Blaine L. Parker - #25 V2
Chuckles - Philip M. Provost - #25 V2
Skidmark - Cyril Colombani - #25 V2
Angle - #152 Flashback V1
Ramon Escobedo - #155 V1 Falshback
dickie Saperstein - #155 V1 Falshback
Daemon - Jeff Lacefield - #22 V2
Seely - FL #13
Ophella Gabriel - M&A #1
Tony Cochrane - M&A #1
Jenna Cashel - M&A #1
D.J. Byrne - M&A #1
Lt. Gorky - #19 V2
Sneak Peak II - Anthony Beuke - #11 V2
Wade Collins M&A #4
Tracker-Christopher R. Groen- #37 V2
Rampart-Dwayne A. Felix - #38 V2
Glenda- Jane Mullighan- #38 V2
Hardball- Willmer S. Duggleby- #38 V2
Big Boa #38 V2
Asa Negra #38 V2
Hector Ramerez #40 V2
Scanner- Scott Sturgis - internet handle(NOIZEPOWER) #41 V2
Overlord - Mikhail Derenko -#41 V2
Dr. Mindbender - #41 V2
Reggie - #42 V2
Lady Jaye - Alison Hart-Burnett (Fairborne) - #42-43 V2
Junko Akita - M&A II #4
Sei Tin - M&A II #4

G.B. Blackrock
07-14-2005, 10:45 PM
Link (http://brandonjerwa.proboards24.com/index.cgi?action=search2&search=Issue+25&match=1&whattosearch=1&user=&checkall=on&board-general=1&subject=1&message=1&hours=0&days=600&maxresults=100&viewtype=1)

I assume this list SHOULD include Serpentor on at least two separate occasions (not including the destruction of the clone-in-a-tube in V2 #41 or 42.).

Others?