"I did it for the Money" - Orson Welles

[snkeyes069]

I found this and thought I'd share with everyone. I love the last line of the mini-review...

The Transformers: The Movie | Bank Roles: 25 'I Did It for the Money' Films | Photos | EW.com (http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20185258_18,00.html)

7. ORSON WELLES
in Transformers: The Movie (1986)

Dig this voice cast: Judd Nelson, Casey Kasem, Eric Idle, Leonard Nimoy, and Scatman Crothers. Crazy, right? But perhaps no one was as out of place here as the director of Citizen Kane, well into his Paul Masson-shilling decline. Welles wields his gargantuan baritone as the voice of Unicron, a ravenous robot-planet that devours everything in its path. Yes, his last role was a fat joke.

[Motor_Master]

That was posted a while back. Wally Burr at one of the Botcon panels a couple of years ago went into some detail as to why the various celebrities accepted roles in the TF animated movie.

If memory serves their reasons ranged from "It sounded like something that would be fun to do" to "The money is nice" to "No one ever asked me to do a voice before."

[Gordon_4]

Of course Orsen did it for the money....they weren't gonna cremate a body that big for peanuts you know.

[Drew Eiden]

Childhood has been you know what'd.

[Rijie78]

No real surprise there tho... i mean, i doubt anyone thought Welles took the role because of the artistic vision and integrity :) At the time of course it meant nothing to me, but I almost didn't believe it when, years later, i saw that Orson Welles at the end of his career, was the voice of Unicron.

It must have been hilarious when he did the voice acting. I've got this bizarre 7" somewhere from years ago (it might be Spanish actually, tho it's in English), and it's just a recording of Welles recording adverts for radio. It's hysterical, he keeps breaking off to criticise the grammar and meaning of what he's reading, and generally slating the people doing the ad copy. All the while, earning his money for delivering said rubbish. Hugely entertaining.

*Goes off to find and watch copy of the The Third Man*

[Fit For natalie]

Too bad they didn't research more carefully. EW might have found out that both Casey Casem and Scatman Crothers were regulars on Transformers before the 1986 movie (though the movie would be their last roles for the franchise).

[Th0r4z1n3]

I know Transformers was not the pinnacle of his career but every time ths get brought up it still saddens me a little bit.

[Nevermore]

It's not that Welles is the only one associated with the cartoon who said bad things about it... (http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Donald_F._Glut)

And Casey Kasem (http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Casey_Kasem) didn't exactly depart on friendly terms either, but in his case it's entirely understandable (unless you're one of those guys who also think jokes like "Yessir Fackarab" are funny).

[Fit For natalie]

With the perspective of our more enlightened (read: litigious) times, I wonder how the hell they got away with 'Carbombya' back then.

[Paladin]

EVERY actor does it for the money; Wells is/was the only one honest enough to actually admit it.

[lightdestroyed]

Haha. At least he's honest.

[Cungitron]

I know Transformers was not the pinnacle of his career but every time ths get brought up it still saddens me a little bit.

I know what you mean. I wonder if Welles were still alive now, how would he feel about it?

[Johnator]

EVERY actor does it for the money; Wells is/was the only one honest enough to actually admit it.

This.

[Th0r4z1n3]

EVERY actor does it for the money; Wells is/was the only one honest enough to actually admit it.

Yea but at least they're grateful enough to but on a smile and pretend to go along with the show. I remember reading that Wells had made comment somewhat to the effect that he had done all these great works over the coarse of his career and look at him now reduced to doing a voice over for a kids cartoon. WTF?

The whole things always rubbed me wrong.

I know what you mean. I wonder if Welles were still alive now, how would he feel about it?

I've often wondered the same thing, but mostly for the notion that someone would have leaned over to him at the premier of the 07 movie and say "you really had no idea what you were involved in did you?"

[Protoman]

Sad but true..... so many stories surrounding his final days.

[jourdo]

Let's all be honest, shall we? I think we've all done things for money at one time or another... right? :confused2

[cappeca]

Personally I think it looks much bad to the artist when they say they did something only for the money, than to the actual work done itself.

Edit: But I do respect them more when they admit it. Way better than Leonard Nimoy...

[Ramrider]

I just love the tags for this thread... :lol

[Gigatron_2005]

That was posted a while back. Wally Burr at one of the Botcon panels a couple of years ago went into some detail as to why the various celebrities accepted roles in the TF animated movie.

If memory serves their reasons ranged from "It sounded like something that would be fun to do" to "The money is nice" to "No one ever asked me to do a voice before."

Was that the same panel where (I think it was Burr) said that he was nervous about telling the very large Orson Wells that he was going to be playing the role of a planet?

[Draven]

...An actor doing a role for the money? SAY IT AIN'T SO.
Very old news, ppl.

[Sidecutter]

EVERY actor does it for the money; Wells is/was the only one honest enough to actually admit it.


Ostensibly, yes. They all obviously need, well, a job. However, some clearly love the work and their characters. Scott McNeil for instance, is someone who clearly not only enjoyed the job, but loves that he has fans because of it.

[Gordon_4]

...An actor doing a role for the money? SAY IT AIN'T SO.
Very old news, ppl.

This news is as old as I am.....

[Th0r4z1n3]

Personally I think it looks much bad to the artist when they say they did something only for the money, than to the actual work done itself.

Edit: But I do respect them more when they admit it. Way better than Leonard Nimoy...

I think you hit the nail on the head, it's disrespectful to the fans. How would we have felt it Cullen had said "hay I only did your shitty little movie because I pissed away my fortune, I find this whole thing degrading." Especially to a fandom that has embraced the thing that he is talking about.

I know in hindsight he really didn't have any way of knowing how big of a franchise that TFs would have turned into, but there was obviously already a fanbase or they wouldn't have been making a movie.

[Grimwing]

But it was'nt the first cartoon orson wells voiced.

Riki tiki tavi.

[Backscatter]

It's not that Welles is the only one associated with the cartoon who said bad things about it... (http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Donald_F._Glut)

And Casey Kasem (http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Casey_Kasem) didn't exactly depart on friendly terms either, but in his case it's entirely understandable (unless you're one of those guys who also think jokes like "Yessir Fackarab" are funny).

I knew about Casey, but I never knew Donald F. Glut felt that badly about Transformers. That's very sad. Just imagine the stories he could have told at Botcons.

[RabidYak]

...An actor doing a role for the money? SAY IT AIN'T SO.
Very old news, ppl.

Whats even funnier about these threads is that were talking about a movie (in the loosest sense of the word) that was made almost for the sole purpose of brainwashing kids into giving Hasbro money, so its not like that there was ever any artistic or creative endeavor about it in the first place.

[Dark_Convoy]

But... but... I thought he did it because he loved transformers so much!!! :cry

[Velcrohead]

I think you hit the nail on the head, it's disrespectful to the fans. How would we have felt it Cullen had said "hay I only did your shitty little movie because I pissed away my fortune, I find this whole thing degrading." Especially to a fandom that has embraced the thing that he is talking about.

I know in hindsight he really didn't have any way of knowing how big of a franchise that TFs would have turned into, but there was obviously already a fanbase or they wouldn't have been making a movie.

Well Peter Cullen wasn't exactly a celebrated actor with a distinguished body of work like Orson Welles. Naturally, I would expect him to have a different attitude about it. But even Peter himself has said many times over that it was just a job to him at the time. His memories have not been about particular episodes (in fact he can't remember them all) but of having fun with his cast-mates in the recording studios. It was another pay-day for him among the many other children's cartoons and television shows he was working on. Not until many years after G1 ended did he even begin to comprehend what that "job" had meant to the rabid fans.

I don't think Hasbro/Sunbow had a "fan base" in mind when they were creating the movie. It, like the cartoons before it, was made strictly to sell toys. The producers of the movie did not intend for it to have the life span that it currently has. It was to move product and move it fast. (And if you want to be pissed at someone, remember how they killed all your favorite characters just to make screen room for new product.) It was a commercial--just feature length instead of episodic. And at that time, it was still a franchise in its infancy. I could easily see an actor of Welles stature turning his nose up at the job. You would too. It would be like expecting DeNiro to say how much he loved doing "Rocky & Bullwinkle"--you wouldn't accuse Bob of being a snob for doing that. In fact, you'd most likely agree with him. It wouldn't be the last time Judd Nelson did a movie for the money. Anybody seen his Christian films lately?

I'm led to believe here lately that we've become far too sensitive as a fandom. We're mad at Orson Welles for stating the truth. We want Michael Bay dead for "raping our childhoods." The writers of Animated are this, that and the other. I think we need to dial back our emotions just a bit and remember that ultimately these are plastic toys, albeit toys we enjoy, and that the resultant fiction is not generally a work of art so much as it is a vehicle to sell said plastic toys.

[OptimusSolo]

I am sick and tired of people rambling on about the whole cartoon soley made to sell toys and brain wash kids etc etc

Now #1 I admit and realize that the purpose of the cartoon was to sell toys dont get me wrong

HOWEVER, after owning and watching many of the cartoons of the 80s now as an adult I must say that the transformers guys even though being accused of just making toy commercials put a lot more time into their stories and their animation than anyone else was during the time period.

You want a cartoon made just to sell toys, look at He-Man, thundercats etc. The stories stink in those shows.

I guess that why it bugs me that people write off G1 as simply commercials cause given the pattern of the time period they took it much more seriously than they would have had they just been creating commercials, they did a lot more in depth stories and devlopment of characters.

[AutobotMarine]

Personally I think it looks much bad to the artist when they say they did something only for the money, than to the actual work done itself.

Edit: But I do respect them more when they admit it. Way better than Leonard Nimoy...

What did Nimoy do, didn't he ever admit to anything either?

[Nevermore]

HOWEVER, after owning and watching many of the cartoons of the 80s now as an adult I must say that the transformers guys even though being accused of just making toy commercials put a lot more time into their stories and their animation than anyone else was during the time period.

Stories - three words: "A", "Prime" and "Problem". Three more words: "City", "of" and "Steel".

Animation - again, three words: "Carnage", "in" and "C-Minor". Three more words: "City", "of" and "Steel".

True, there are some genuinely well-animated episodes, such as "Atlantis, Arise" or "Auto Berserk", and some enjoyable stories too, such as "Dark Awakening" or even "The Master Builders", but you can't seriously claim that Donald F. Glut (http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Donald_F._Glut) put a lot of effort into his scripts when he himself admits he did it purely for the money, and just tried to cram them out as fast as possible.

[Johnator]

I am sick and tired of people rambling on about the whole cartoon soley made to sell toys and brain wash kids etc etc

Now #1 I admit and realize that the purpose of the cartoon was to sell toys dont get me wrong

HOWEVER, after owning and watching many of the cartoons of the 80s now as an adult I must say that the transformers guys even though being accused of just making toy commercials put a lot more time into their stories and their animation than anyone else was during the time period.

You want a cartoon made just to sell toys, look at He-Man, thundercats etc. The stories stink in those shows.

I guess that why it bugs me that people write off G1 as simply commercials cause given the pattern of the time period they took it much more seriously than they would have had they just been creating commercials, they did a lot more in depth stories and devlopment of characters.

Totally agree.

[Fit For natalie]

I am sick and tired of people rambling on about the whole cartoon soley made to sell toys and brain wash kids etc etc

Now #1 I admit and realize that the purpose of the cartoon was to sell toys dont get me wrong

HOWEVER, after owning and watching many of the cartoons of the 80s now as an adult I must say that the transformers guys even though being accused of just making toy commercials put a lot more time into their stories and their animation than anyone else was during the time period.

You want a cartoon made just to sell toys, look at He-Man, thundercats etc. The stories stink in those shows.

I guess that why it bugs me that people write off G1 as simply commercials cause given the pattern of the time period they took it much more seriously than they would have had they just been creating commercials, they did a lot more in depth stories and devlopment of characters. You only say that and slag off the other cartoons because you happen to be a Transformers fan.

In case you didn't bother clicking on Nevermore's link:
"No one, not even the story editors, looked at these scripts very carefully. I seem to remember the show being on a really tight schedule, and we had to crank these scripts out fast. I wrote some of them in a single day, first draft, and they went almost immediately to the storyboard artists after Bryce or an assistant gave them a rather cursory read. We were not trying to create art, just get them done fast, and get paid... None of the writing on this series, in my opinion, was good or passionate or, sometimes (my own included, like The Autobot Run) even adequate. But we got paid well for writing them fast.... I was never a fan of any of the characters." Glut was one of the most prolific writers on the G1 series, writing about 12 episodes, so he must have been in a position to know what he is talking about.

As for animation... they were animated by Toei and AKOM, who animated many of the other cartoons of the time.

[RabidYak]

You only say that and slag off the other cartoons because you happen to be a Transformers fan.

In case you didn't bother clicking on Nevermore's link:
Glut was one of the most prolific writers on the G1 series, writing about 12 episodes, so he must have been in a position to know what he is talking about.

As for animation... they were animated by Toei and AKOM, who animated many of the other cartoons of the time.

Cited fact from a primary source taking precedence over rose tinted fanboy nostalgia?

That'll never catch on, at least not on the internet.

[Velcrohead]

In my opinion, He-Man cartoons were far more intelligent and complex than Transformers could've ever hoped to be.

I know that a lot of you fanboys like to imagine that the people who worked on Transformers were slavishly laboring with blood sweat and tears to create a work, but that's just simply not the case. Back then (and even still today) doing voice-over work...or really any work...on a show like that was simply a job to pay the bills or a resume-builder. I happen to know a few voice actors (dated one even.) They do a lot of projects for the check (including random video games and anime dubs) and are almost always surprised by some of the weird fanboy devotion they get from various projects. But they're professionals and only doing a job, and usually the reason they do it well is not for love of the franchise, but so that they can continue to work in their chosen profession.

And the SOLE purpose of shows like Transformers, GI Joe, Ninja Turtles, et al, was to sell toys. That's why characters were disposable and were moved off the slate when it came time to sell new product or completely reinvented like Goldbug. Transformers as entertainment succeeded IN SPITE of itself.

Truthfully, only one of the G1 voice actors ever really bothered to throw his two-cents in on script content, and that was Casey Kasem. But he could afford to, since he had that cash cow countdown show of his as a main source of revenue. (Remind me to post a copy of his "dead dog" rant sometime.)

Those rose-colored glasses are nice, but they're deceptive.

[Shark Jumper]

Now imagine Unicron saying full of country goodness and green pea-ness. And then walking off upset and finding a french fry stuck in his huge beard.

[Optimus Sledge]

In my opinion, He-Man cartoons were far more intelligent and complex than Transformers could've ever hoped to be.

Ok, I grew up watching all this stuff. Could you explain that one to me?

[Chainclaw]

I am sick and tired of people rambling on about the whole cartoon soley made to sell toys and brain wash kids etc etc

Now #1 I admit and realize that the purpose of the cartoon was to sell toys dont get me wrong

HOWEVER, after owning and watching many of the cartoons of the 80s now as an adult I must say that the transformers guys even though being accused of just making toy commercials put a lot more time into their stories and their animation than anyone else was during the time period.

You want a cartoon made just to sell toys, look at He-Man, thundercats etc. The stories stink in those shows.

I guess that why it bugs me that people write off G1 as simply commercials cause given the pattern of the time period they took it much more seriously than they would have had they just been creating commercials, they did a lot more in depth stories and devlopment of characters.

You're being sarcastic, right?

[Spiderus Prime]

Were's say about Peter Cullen and Frank Welker.

[Johnator]

G1 obviously was designed to sell toys but ALL of the Transformer shows from G1 up to and including Animated are. I guarantee you go to ANY project of Transformers and a lot of the voice actors/writers are just doing their job. That is all. It is not like G1 did and the others didn't. All are guilty of this obviously.

[RabidYak]

G1 obviously was designed to sell toys but ALL of the Transformer shows from G1 up to and including Animated are. I guarantee you go to ANY project of Transformers and a lot of the voice actors/writers are just doing their job. That is all. It is not like G1 did and the others didn't. All are guilty of this obviously.

Nice try at a straw man, but nobody ever said any different in this thread and it doesen't dig you out of agreeing with somebody on a point thats been refuted with quotes from a dude that was actually there.

[Johnator]

Nice try at a straw man, but nobody ever said any different in this thread and it doesen't dig you out of agreeing with somebody on a point thats been refuted with quotes from a dude that was actually there.

I wasn't trying to dig anything. My point still stands and is logically sound. It is more for emphasis than any need for validation. You really haven't said anything.

[RabidYak]

I wasn't trying to dig anything. My point still stands and is logically sound. It is more for emphasis than any need for validation. You really haven't said anything.

Except that its not actually got anything to do with the current position of the disscusion, which is whether the folks making the 80s show gave a shit beyond the money and whether it was any better in that respect then its contempories. Nobody had even mentioned the other shows up to that point and I severly doubt that the people talking sense in here would even try to claim that that they were any different.

Fair enougth if you felt the burning need to state a tenously related obvious, but it looked like a classic case of deflecting the argument or misrepreseting the opposing view since your previous post was on the losing side. Either that or i'm too used to people posting in a jointed manner since I live in the NTF forums.

[swarlock]

EVERY actor does it for the money; Wells is/was the only one honest enough to actually admit it.

Agreed. One of those sad truths about The Hollywood Machine we have to live with.

[swarlock]

But it was'nt the first cartoon orson wells voiced.

Riki tiki tavi.

No. It was a cartoon short in The 50's I believe. Can't remember the title though.

[swarlock]

I am sick and tired of people rambling on about the whole cartoon soley made to sell toys and brain wash kids etc etc

Now #1 I admit and realize that the purpose of the cartoon was to sell toys dont get me wrong

HOWEVER, after owning and watching many of the cartoons of the 80s now as an adult I must say that the transformers guys even though being accused of just making toy commercials put a lot more time into their stories and their animation than anyone else was during the time period.

Keep in mind that a lot of these people didn't know they were making history at the time and even now I don't think it matters that they did. Eventually some come to accept it and are proud of their work.To them it was a job and nothing else. As I've always known. There is a big difference between how the fandom sees things and the performers behind them. They can't allow themselves to second guess what the audience wants because then they lose their focus.

[Velcrohead]

Keep in mind that a lot of these people didn't know they were making history at the time and even now I don't think it matters that they did. Eventually some come to accept it and are proud of their work.To them it was a job and nothing else. As I've always known. There is a big difference between how the fandom sees things and the performers behind them. They can't allow themselves to second guess what the audience wants because then they lose their focus.

The thing is that it only "matters" to the fandom. People outside of our circle would usually be like Peter what? Frank who? (unless they were fans of their other works). And considering our fandom is clearly not the majority of the world, the question is "historical and important to whom?"

[toma]

obviously, back in the 80s none of the people working on transformers knew whether or not it would be a long-running franchise 20 years into the future. cartoon/toy tie-ins were a dime a dozen back then. transformers just caught the imagination of children to a level that most others didn't, which is why it is where it is today. its quite obvious that it was just "done for the money" back then. it had no history at all, and none of those involved had transformers in mind as a "dream project" to work on or anything.

on the same note, you can tell that a project like animated is a labor of love for at least a significant portion of those involved. the difference being that there is a 20+ year history that many people working on animated now grew up with, just like we did. i'm sure that some people working on animated are just doing it for the money too, but transformers is a big brand name now where it wasn't back then, and you can tell that it's looked on with a lot more pride and respect now.

[MagnusPrimal]

I don't know how to-the-point this is, but even though G1 was just a paycheck to most if not all of the actors, they still seemed to bring their A-game. Maybe it is just a bias, but the voice-acting on Transformers still seems to be better than on many of the other shows from the 80's.

[Grimwing]

YouTube - The Last Film Role Played by Orson Welles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cy8UbzQ6OA)

Maybe this would help. apparently welles thought it was cool he was playing a monster planet.

Not that he did'nt really just do it for the money. But its something to watch again and I thought it fit with the discussion.

still hav'ent found the cartoon role he played before the narrator on riki tiki tavi.

[Harlequin Daniel]

Alec Guiness did Star Wars, IIRC as a favour to someone, and Peter Cushing did so (again IIRC) so there was a film of his that his grandkids could go and see.

That, BTW, is why there hasn't been too many Grand Moff Tarkin toys (or any before Revenge of the Sith)

[Johnator]

Except that its not actually got anything to do with the current position of the disscusion, which is whether the folks making the 80s show gave a shit beyond the money and whether it was any better in that respect then its contempories. Nobody had even mentioned the other shows up to that point and I severly doubt that the people talking sense in here would even try to claim that that they were any different.

Fair enougth if you felt the burning need to state a tenously related obvious, but it looked like a classic case of deflecting the argument or misrepreseting the opposing view since your previous post was on the losing side. Either that or i'm too used to people posting in a jointed manner since I live in the NTF forums.

I think I will just focus on this and drop it. Fair enough and done.

[RabidYak]

Alec Guiness did Star Wars, IIRC as a favour to someone, and Peter Cushing did so (again IIRC) so there was a film of his that his grandkids could go and see.

Considering that he blagged himself 2% of box office and a free pass from publicity work, lot of money for little effort was probably the motivation for Guinness. He even said later that Star Wars money meant that he could spend the rest of his life choosing his work since he didn't have to job to pay the bills any more.

Cushing did do it for the kids thougth and i'm sure the material wasen't such an artistic issue for him since he was already famous for doing naff horror films.

I think I will just focus on this and drop it. Fair enough and done.

So you admit that your posts are disjointed? :p

Come on down to GD, we'll soon sort that out.

[Fit For natalie]

Alec Guiness did Star Wars, IIRC as a favour to someone, and Peter Cushing did so (again IIRC) so there was a film of his that his grandkids could go and see.

That, BTW, is why there hasn't been too many Grand Moff Tarkin toys (or any before Revenge of the Sith) There was a 1997 figure that was considered the most accurate human sculpt at the time (and his headsculpt still stands up remarkably well today).

I presume there aren't that many because he's only really around in the first movie and only serves to deliver dialogue. I am still amused that Hasbro actually did a boxset of of the Imperial commanders meeting on the Death Star. A box of english dudes and Darth Vader.

[OptimusSolo]

You only say that and slag off the other cartoons because you happen to be a Transformers fan.


Not true at all actually, I am a fan of all 1980s cartoons just about, I own the dvd sets for He-Man, Thundercats, C.O.P.S., D&D, Blackstarr, i could keep going. Thanks for assuming you know what I like and dont like though

Also, did you ever stop to think that it was people like Mr. Glut who didnt care about the stories, as to why there are quite a few horrible eps. Wise who wrote more episodes than Glut very much cared about the art/story. I think it is the fact that there were so many writers as to why we see some great eps and some horrible ones. Some were in it for the money and some were in it for the art

My point is- Just because a guy who wrote 12 out of 98 eps says he was just in it for the money - Does not mean that every writer for G1 felt the same way etc. Be careful with the generalizations

In fact, after a tiny bit of digging I found this interesting tid-bit. Glut who you keep using as your evidence in just about every thread you post in did in fact write 12 episodes and yes admits he did it just for the money. Isn't it ironic that according to The Ten Worst Episodes of Transformers - Associated Content (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/294044/the_ten_worst_episodes_of_transformers.html?page=2&cat=39) that Glut wrote TWO of them!!! Too bad we didnt have more writers who cared about their work

Need more proof go to TFArchive - Transformers Cartoons - Transformers Episode Guide (http://www.tfarchive.com/cartoons/) and you will see that on their 1-10 scale rating for each episode, that David Wise who admitted to caring about writing has 8 episodes that score a 7 or above out of ten compared to only 2 for Glut!

[Velcrohead]

Wise who wrote more episodes than Glut very much cared about the art/story.

Link please, otherwise you're just making it up.

[Velcrohead]

I don't know how to-the-point this is, but even though G1 was just a paycheck to most if not all of the actors, they still seemed to bring their A-game. Maybe it is just a bias, but the voice-acting on Transformers still seems to be better than on many of the other shows from the 80's.

Uh...I don't know how to tell you this, but... Most of the Transformers voice actors were ALSO the voice actors from the other shows in the 80's. I'm still getting over the fact that Peter Cullen voiced Murky Dismal on Rainbow Brite. You really can't compare, since cartoon actors from that era were mostly drawn from the same talent pool.

[OptimusSolo]

Link please, otherwise you're just making it up.

You can look up how many episodes he wrote on The Internet Movie Database (IMDb) (http://www.imdb.com) and see for yourself that he wrote more episodes than anyone else

You can watch the special features interview of him on the Transformers DVD to see how much he cared about the show.

And you can check out TFArchive - Transformers Cartoons - Transformers Episode Guide (http://www.tfarchive.com/cartoons/) to see that 8 of the 13 episodes of his that have been rated so far score a 7 or higher out of ten.

Anything else you want links for???

[Velcrohead]

You can look up how many episodes he wrote on The Internet Movie Database (IMDb) (http://www.imdb.com) and see for yourself that he wrote more episodes than anyone else

You can watch the special features interview of him on the Transformers DVD to see how much he cared about the show.

And you can check out TFArchive - Transformers Cartoons - Transformers Episode Guide (http://www.tfarchive.com/cartoons/) to see that 8 of the 13 episodes of his that have been rated so far score a 7 or higher out of ten.

Anything else you want links for???

No, you said that David Wise said that he cared about his work for Transformers and all that stuff. THAT is what I want the link for, not some dodgy numbers from unreliable websites. By the way, what scientific method was used for the rating of these episodes?

[OptimusSolo]

No, you said that David Wise said that he cared about his work for Transformers and all that stuff. THAT is what I want the link for, not some dodgy numbers from unreliable websites.

OK, apparently I wasnt clear. You say you want evidence that David Wise cared, and then you say all I give you is dodgy numbers etc. If you re-read my post it clearly states that if you want the evidence of Wise's feelings all you need to do is listen to the interview he did for a special feature on the DVD. I am sorry but i am not going to spend hours transcribing the entire interview for you just because you don't want to watch it yourself...

And as for the ratings of the individual episodes I am not, nor would I ever, claim that one persons ratings are the end all or be all that we all should take as fact. I was simply trying to show that it seems that Glut wrote more of the episodes that are generally accepted as being "bad" by a large portion of the fandom and that Wise wrote more of the episodes that are generally accepted as being "good". Now obviously that is not something that can be proved and there are exceptions. ie. not all of Glut's are bad and vice versa.

BUT the main argument that was made on this board was that because Glut said he was just in it for the money that we should accept that so was everyone else involved with the cartoon. Now there probably were quite a few others that were also just in it for the paycheck. I BELIEVE that there were also many who DID care about their work and did consider their writing some form of art. I am trying to show that just because Glut says it is so, doesnt make it so. The fact that he wrote some of the not so good episodes may be related to him not caring about the story. Just like, Wise caring about the story might be related to him writing some of the better episodes.

Either way the one fact that i can be sure of is that just because 1 guy who wrote 12 of the 98 episodes didnt care about the 'story' as a whole does not mean that the other 86 episodes were also written by people who were just in it for the money. That we cannot know until we talk to all 23 writers...

[Velcrohead]

OK, apparently I wasnt clear. You say you want evidence that David Wise cared. and then you say all i give you is dodgy numbers etc. If you re-read my post it clearly states that if you want the evidence of Wise's feelings all you need to do is listen to the interview he did for a special feature on the DVD. I am sorry but i am not going to spend hours transcribing the entire interview for you just because you don't want to watch it yourself...

So in other words you just made that up.

[OptimusSolo]

Are you on drugs? WATCH THE INTERVIEW - No I did not make anything up - So, you expect me to transcribe word for word everything said in the interview on the DVD?????

[Moonscream]

Are you on drugs? WATCH THE INTERVIEW - No I did not make anything up - So, you expect me to transcribe word for word everything said in the interview on the DVD?????You might as well give it up, unless you can find a clip on YouTube, 'cause evidently he's not going to watch the DVD even to prove you wrong. ;)

--Moony

[OptimusSolo]

So in other words you just made that up.


Well at least I can give him some quotes from Flint Dille who was a writer who started at the end of season 1

DILLE: I was fascinated by the fact that they had continuity and "universes," etc. We all thought it would be a good idea to bring that to our shows. It was like we wanted to bring a mythology to cartoons, not just another "reset" series where you don't learn anything newer or deeper in the shows. I think that has a lot to do with long-term fans.

DILLE: I viewed the voice recording as the final draft of the script. Lines read well on a page don't always sound good. Sometimes actors would come up with great ideas. Sometimes we'd get ideas for episodes in there, because the voice recording is as close as you get to having the real characters in the room. This, of course, didn't thrill the Marvel producers, because, I think, it generated a lot of work for them. But hey, 20 years later, I'm glad we got the better line.

Often, this would piss off the traditional animation actors, because they were used to 2-hour recording sessions. Some would double-book, even though they were being paid for 4 hours. Animation was kind of a degraded business in those days; people were used to the three Saturday Morning networks and unions. Not knowing any better, we were playing a very different game. We thought of ourselves as filmmakers or something.

DILLE: Hasbro had the rare good sense to simply provide the characters and money and turn it over to Sunbow. Much to their credit, they didn't interfere at all -- they just cared that they saw their product in the show. Sunbow, especially Jay Bacal, watched over the show. Jay was an amazing creative director. He nurtured the vision, worked slavishly and created a great working environment.

VO: What aspect of animation production do you enjoy the most?

Flint: The fact that I was pretty much able to do whatever I wanted to do (on Visionaries, Inhumanoids, G.I. Joe and Transformers) and it actually made it onto the screen. Jay Bacal was a great boss. You ought to contact him.


MAN it sure does sound like that writer could care less about what he wrote and was simply doing it for the paycheck ALSO did you guys see how he said hasbro forced stuff down there throat and all they did was write what hasbro told them to. Guess all of you were right all along lmao

[OptimusSolo]

It really sounds like Glut is the exception here...Sounds to me like just a disgruntled old man. Mad at the business and therefore unwilling to say too much good about it but you decide for yourself

"Most if not all of us who wrote for that series have been out of TV animation for many years and not by choice. It’s a lousy business in many ways. There’s age bias, nepotism, etc. You can write the best, highest-rated episode one year and the next year not even be able to get the story editor (who may have been replaced by someone else) on the phone. Most of us, no matter the quality of the work we’d done, are now considered to be “old farts,” burnt out with no ideas. Good writers and story editors like Bryce and so many others, myself included, have had to seek work elsewhere because the animation studios just want the hot new kids and not us “old timers.” Mainstream Hollywood, in both movies and TV, is a world of young and beautiful people, right down to the people working the copy machines. That’s why I’ve become an independent film producer - no age bias and virtually total creative control. "

[OptimusSolo]

And heres another quote from Bryce Malek:

MALEK: As long as we featured the toys and followed their rules, we were given free reign to develop the show in practically any direction we wanted. And with the relaxed rules in syndicated half-hour adventure shows (as compared with the network comedy shows we had been writing), we could pretty much do anything and were encouraged to push the envelope. We could return to Cybertron and create a whole new world, we could move planets into Earth's orbit to create gravitational havoc, and we could do comedy stories

and from Paul Davids

DAVIDS: Actually, when working on 'Generation One' of TRANSFORMERS, we all really DID expect it to 'live on' but not in the way you would expect, not in the way it happened. 1985 to 1987 were the big production years. There was no Internet and home video was still fairly new -- even computers used for word processing had only been in common use for about five years or so. We expected a 'life afterwards' for TRANSFORMERS only in TV re-runs and maybe comic books. We felt that we had sort of 'replaced' the B-science-fiction movies of the 1950s and 1960s -- that those old sci-fi concepts had been re-born in our TRANSFORMERS episodes. We were all the types who would have tried to work for Roger Corman if we had been around in the business in those days -- and we 'transformed' all those imaginative sci-fi ways of thinking into our TRANSFORMERS shows. We expected the shows would survive the way Disney cartoons did.

TCC: Does it surprise you that the whole TRANSFORMERS franchise still holds such a large place in the hearts of its fans after all this time?

DAVIDS: It doesn't really surprise me, and here's why. I still have a large place in my heart for the things I loved as a kid, and that includes all the science-fiction movies of the 1950s and '60s (as bad as some of them were, Ed Wood's movies included!), MAD magazine, Superman, Batman, FAMOUS MONSTERS magazine, Uncle $crooge (hey, what about those great adventures he took in all those comics!) and of course all the imaginative movies of Ray Harryhausen (7TH VOYAGE OF SINBAD -- I've seen it over 100 times!) and George Pal (in addition to his incredible space movies, I even loved TOM THUMB and WONDERFUL WORLD OF THE BROTHERS GRIMM!) So why shouldn't there be fanatic TRANSFORMERS fans? After all, our stories were good (I think!). I believe THE TRANSFORMERS actually DESERVES to get the attention it's getting from the generation that grew up watching it -- but it will never cease to amaze me that what DESERVED to happen has actually happened!! And that's really GOOD NEWS!
Our actors were sensational, and Wally Burr was probably one of the best in the business as a voice director for animation
And Flint, who came from the family that created the original Buck Rogers (the work of his grandfather) was simply our 'man of letters' when it came to TRANSFORMERS lore. Flint could talk endlessly about minor nuances of every single character


And David Russell

TCC: Does it surprise you that the concept still enjoys such a following?

RUSSELL: Not at all, and I'm pleased to see that it's still so robust.


And Wally Blurr

Occasionally I would be asked -- by actors, by producers, by management -- if I always had to use that full 4 hours. My answer always was yes. As long as I didn't cost the company any added money and could get a better show, I'd damned well use that full 4 hours! To me it made absolute sense to fully use every minute provided. Sometimes that meant asking a given actor to stay on after he thought he'd successfully completed his work. Sometimes that meant doing quite a few added takes on a line or sequence that I felt needed better performance. I was often very persistent in this. Occasionally the actors -- even the producers involved -- didn't feel the added time and effort were worthwhile. My feeling was always, "Look, Charley! Right here and now, I'm working as hard -- usually a lot harder -- than you are! Allow me to do my job here -- determining what is or is not acceptable."

I did several hundred Hasbro-backed shows without a single complaint about the quality of the recorded dialogue.

And Gregg Burger

BERGER: I think it is safe to say that I was overwhelmed at BotCon 2001 by the dedication, support, and interest level of the crowd who attended. I think it speaks to the epic nature of the show conceptually, to its moral tone, its dynamic of good and evil, and its terrifically story-driven scripts. So story-driven, it seems, that they fuel discussions all these many years later.

And Dan Gilvezan

I can't really say I'm surprised. The show was wildly popular when we made it. In fact, it almost single-handedly launched the whole toy-based animated series concept that lasted well into the '80s and beyond. So I figured it would have quite a long afterlife.


But Yes we should definitely take Glut's word over all these guys

[tikgnat]

Well at least it wasn't pron.

[Optimus Sledge]

OptimusSolo: I think you've proved your point. Don't waste any more time with Velcrohead, he's just sticking his head in the sand now.

[Velcrohead]

So... no David Wise quote, eh? Thought so.

The only point that all that makes is that the real reason that voice actors, writers, et al, turn in their best work is NOT because Transformers is the love of their life, but because they want to continue to be hired for jobs in the future. Get that through your head.

Also, you have to consider the source...do you really think that any opinion that made it onto the Transformers DVDs are going to be negative? Do you really believe that Rhino or Hasbro would've let demeaning comments into them? Also, do you really think these starved-for-work writers are going to bite the hand that fed them and not swallow a little bit of bile because this is the first chance they've had at exposure in years? Hell, at the time of these releases, Wally Burr was still the voice director for the A/E/C dubs. Surely he was going to toe the company line. And as for Flint Dille, I've watched the interviews, and he contradicts himself from the quote you've pulled out of context here.

Bottom line: commentary that comes from official Transformers releases can't be considered credible as a critique. Next time, pull a quote from someplace that's unbiased, because you haven't proven your point.

[Optimus Sledge]

Oh for crying out loud. You tell him he's talking out of his arse, then when he pulls out all the supporting crap you asked for you still refuse to acknowledge it. You were wrong. Deal with it.

[jametron]

I wonder how the hell they got away with 'Carbombya' back then.

Wow, yeah that's FUCT.

[OptimusSolo]

So... no David Wise quote, eh? Thought so.

The only point that all that makes is that the real reason that voice actors, writers, et al, turn in their best work is NOT because Transformers is the love of their life, but because they want to continue to be hired for jobs in the future. Get that through your head.

Also, you have to consider the source...do you really think that any opinion that made it onto the Transformers DVDs are going to be negative? Do you really believe that Rhino or Hasbro would've let demeaning comments into them?

Wow I have never seen someone talk out of their you know what as much as you. You say that the reason these guys say good things is because they are doing interviews for DVD's -WRONG I just gave you quotes from about a dozen different people and only ONE of them did an interview for a dvd. The rest were NOT doing interviews for any type of company made product dvd or anything of the like.

and for the FINAL time. I AM NOT transcribing david wise entire interview if you want to see what he had to say GO BUY OR RENT the 2nd/3rd season of G1 on DVD. Just because I am not willing to spend a couple of hours transcribing what he said does not mean he didnt say it the proof is on the DVD - how old are you by the way?

You can be stubborn and refuse to see the facts but as for me I am much more willing to believe what over a dozen people who were involved in the show say rather than listen to what just one person said. Call me crazy!!

[OptimusSolo]

do you really think these starved-for-work writers

Starved for work huh? (First of all you need to realize that some of these people started long before transformers and had already made a career by the time transformers was over, how long do you expect these guys to write 50 years??)

Flint Dille

Tomorrow Never Dies (1999) (VG) (game designer)
"Transformers" (story editor) (30 episodes, 1986-1987) (supervising story editor) (5 episodes, 1985)
- The Return of Optimus Prime: Part 2 (1987) TV episode (story editor)
- The Return of Optimus Prime: Part 1 (1987) TV episode (story editor)
- The Face of Nijika (1986) TV episode (story editor)
- The Burden Hardest to Bear (1986) TV episode (story editor)
- Call of the Primitives (1986) TV episode (story editor)
(30 more)
The Transformers: The Movie (1986) (story consultant)
"G.I. Joe" (story editor) (55 episodes, 1985)
- There's No Place Like Springfield: Part 2 (1985) TV episode (story editor)
- There's No Place Like Springfield: Part 1 (1985) TV episode (story editor)
- Skeletons in the Closet (1985) TV episode (story editor)
- The Great Alaskan Land Rush (1985) TV episode (story editor)
- Cold Slither (1985) TV episode (story editor)
(50 more)
Producer:
2000s
1980s
Venom (2005) (co-executive producer)
"InHumanoids" (co-producer) (13 episodes, 1986)
- The Masterson Team (1986) TV episode (co-producer)
- Primal Passions (1986) TV episode (co-producer)
- The Evil That Lies Within, Day 5 (1986) TV episode (co-producer)
- The Evil That Lies Within, Day 4 (1986) TV episode (co-producer)
- The Evil That Lies Within, Day 3 (1986) TV episode (co-producer)
(8 more)
"Transformers" (associate producer) (44 episodes, 1985-1986)
- B.O.T. (1986) TV episode (associate producer)
- Revenge of Bruticus (1986) TV episode (associate producer)
- Starscream's Brigade (1986) TV episode (associate producer)
- Kremzeek! (1985) TV episode (associate producer)
- Cosmic Rust (1985) TV episode (associate producer)
(39 more)
InHumanoids: The Movie (1986) (V) (co-producer)
Bigfoot and the Muscle Machines (1985) (V) (associate producer)
Writer:
2000s
1990s
1980s
Transformers: The Game (2007) (VG) (writer)
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007) (VG) (writer)
"Garbage Pail Kids" (8 episodes, 2006)
- Goldthumb/An Egg-citing Adventure (2006) TV episode (writer)
- Junkoid Zone Aliens/Batteries Not Included (2006) TV episode (writer)
- Oops! The Disaster Movie/The House That Dripped Crud (2006) TV episode (writer)
- Pie Fight at the Okee Dokee Corral/Honest Abe Has a Close Shave (2006) TV episode (writer)
- R.A.L.F.: Rejected Alien Life Form/Elliot Messed Up (2006) TV episode (writer)
(3 more)
Teen Titans (2005) (VG) (story)
Venom (2005) (screenplay) (story)
Scooby-Doo! Unmasked (2005) (VG) (writer)
Constantine (2005) (VG) (writer)
The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay (2004) (VG) (writer)
Batman: Rise of Sin Tzu (2003) (VG) (writer)
Dead to Rights (2002) (VG) (writer)
Fire Blade (2002) (VG) (script)
Army Men: Sarge's Heroes (1999) (VG) (story)
Tomorrow Never Dies (1999) (VG) (writer)
Nuclear Strike (1997) (VG) (screenplay)
Soviet Strike (1996) (VG) (screenplay)
Dragonstrike (1993) (writer)
An American Tail: Fievel Goes West (1991) (writer)
"G.I. Joe" (1990)
"Visionaries: Knights of the Magical Light" (1987) TV series (unknown episodes)
"InHumanoids" (13 episodes, 1986)
- The Masterson Team (1986) TV episode (written by)
- Primal Passions (1986) TV episode (written by)
- The Evil That Lies Within, Day 5 (1986) TV episode (written by)
- The Evil That Lies Within, Day 4 (1986) TV episode (written by)
- The Evil That Lies Within, Day 3 (1986) TV episode (written by)
(8 more)
"G.I. Joe" (7 episodes, 1985-1986)
- G.I.Joe and the Golden Fleece (1986) TV episode (story)
- Grey Hairs and Growing Pains (1986) TV episode (writer)
- Skeletons in the Closet (1985) TV episode (writer)
- The Wrong Stuff (1985) TV episode (story)
- The Pit of Vipers (1985) TV episode (story)
(2 more)
"Transformers" (6 episodes, 1985-1986)
- The Five Faces of Darkness: Part 5 (1986) TV episode (writer)
- The Five Faces of Darkness: Part 4 (1986) TV episode (writer)
- The Five Faces of Darkness: Part 3 (1986) TV episode (writer)
- The Five Faces of Darkness: Part 2 (1986) TV episode (writer)
- The Five Faces of Darkness: Part 1 (1986) TV episode (writer)
(1 more)
Transformers: Five Faces of Darkness (1986) (V) (writer)
Bigfoot and the Muscle Machines (1985) (V) (writer)
"Mister T" (6 episodes, 1983-1984)
- Magical Mardi Gras Mystery (1984) TV episode (writer)
- Riddle of the Runaway Wheels (1983) TV episode (writer)
- Dilemma of the Double-Edged Dagger (1983) TV episode (writer)
- The Hundred-Year-Old Mystery (1983) TV episode (writer)
- Mystery of the Forbidden Monastery (1983) TV episode (writer)
(1 more)
Open Season (1995) (additional voice)


Wally Blurr:

"Transformers" (voice director) (98 episodes, 1984-1987)
- The Rebirth: Part 3 (1987) TV episode (voice director)
- The Rebirth: Part 2 (1987) TV episode (voice director)
- The Rebirth: Part 1 (1987) TV episode (voice director)
- The Return of Optimus Prime: Part 2 (1987) TV episode (voice director)
- The Return of Optimus Prime: Part 1 (1987) TV episode (voice director)
(93 more)
G.I. Joe: The Movie (1987) (V) (voice director)
"InHumanoids" (voice director) (13 episodes, 1986)
- The Masterson Team (1986) TV episode (voice director)
- Primal Passions (1986) TV episode (voice director)
- The Evil That Lies Within, Day 5 (1986) TV episode (voice director)
- The Evil That Lies Within, Day 4 (1986) TV episode (voice director)
- The Evil That Lies Within, Day 3 (1986) TV episode (voice director)
(8 more)
"G.I. Joe" (voice director) (85 episodes, 1985-1986)
- Into Your Tent I Will Silently Creep (1986) TV episode (voice director)
- In the Presence of Mine Enemies (1986) TV episode (voice director)
- Sins of Our Fathers (1986) TV episode (voice director)
- Not a Ghost of a Chance (1986) TV episode (voice director)
- Joe's Night Out (1986) TV episode (voice director)
(80 more)
The Transformers: The Movie (1986) (voice director)
InHumanoids: The Movie (1986) (V) (voice director)
"Jem" (1985) TV series (voice director) (unknown episodes)
Here Come the Littles (1985) (voice recording director)
Bigfoot and the Muscle Machines (1985) (V) (voice director)
"Inspector Gadget" (voice director) (64 episodes, 1983-1984)
- Quiz Master (1984) TV episode (voice director)
- School for Pickpockets (1984) TV episode (voice director)
- Fang the Wonder Dog (1984) TV episode (voice director)
- So It Is Written (1984) TV episode (voice director)
- Birds of a Feather (1984) TV episode (voice director)
(59 more)
"G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero" (1983) TV mini-series (voice director)
"Meatballs and Spaghetti" (1982) TV series (voice director) (1982)
"Spider-Man" (voice director) (26 episodes, 1981)
- Arsenic and Aunt May (1981) TV episode (voice director) (as Walter S. Burr)
- Bubble, Bubble, Oil and Trouble (1981) TV episode (voice director) (as Walter S. Burr)
- Canon of Doom (1981) TV episode (voice director) (as Walter S. Burr)
- Carnival of Crime (1981) TV episode (voice director) (as Walter S. Burr)
- Countdown to Doom (1981) TV episode (voice director) (as Walter S. Burr)
(21 more)
"Super Friends" (dialogue director) (16 episodes, 1973)
- The Watermen (1973) TV episode (dialogue director)
- The Planet Splitter (1973) TV episode (dialogue director)
- Gulliver's Gigantic Goof (1973) TV episode (dialogue director)
- The Mysterious Moles (1973) TV episode (dialogue director)
- The Menace of the White Dwarf (1973) TV episode (dialogue director)
(11 more)
"The Addams Family" (1973) TV series (dialogue director)
Project X (1968) (special sequence director)
Actor:
2000s
1990s
1980s
1970s
Shin sangoku musô 5 (2007) (VG) (voice: English version) (uncredited) .... Huang Zhong
Musô Orochi (2007) (VG) (voice: English version) (uncredited) .... Huang Zhong
Shin sangoku musô 4: Empires (2006) (VG) (voice: English version) ... aka Dynasty Warriors 5: Empires (USA)
Soulcalibur III (2005) (VG) (voice: English version) (uncredited) .... Rock
Shin sangoku musô 4 mushôden (2005) (VG) (voice: English version)
Shin sangoku musô 4 (2005) (VG) (voice: English version) (uncredited) .... Huang Zhong
Pearl Harbor (2001) (uncredited) .... Newsreel Voice
Dark Reign 2 (2000) (VG) (voice) (as Walter Burr) .... Dalen
Descent 2 (1996) (VG) (voice) (as Walter Burr)
Stonekeep (1994) (VG) (voice) .... Fil Ettin, Nigel Hardstone, Big Sharga
Miles from Home (1988) (voice) (as Walter Burr) .... Radio Announcer
"Jem" .... Emmett Benton / ... (3 episodes, 1986-1987)
- Father's Day (1987) TV episode (voice) .... Harvey Gabor/Emmett Benton
- The Rock Fashion Book (1986) TV episode (voice) .... Harvey Gabor/Emmett Benton
- Starbright: Part 3 - Rising Star (1986) TV episode (voice) .... Harvey Gabor/Emmett Benton
Best Seller (1987) .... Talk Show Host
Hokuto no ken (1986) (voice: English version) .... Ken-Ô (Raoh)
"Transformers" .... Dancitron Promoter / ... (5 episodes, 1985)
- Kremzeek! (1985) TV episode (uncredited) .... Jazz
- War Dawn (1985) TV episode (uncredited) .... Thundercracker
- Masquerade (1985) TV episode (uncredited) .... Ratchet
- Auto-Bop (1985) TV episode (uncredited) .... Dancitron Promoter
- Atlantis, Arise! (1985) TV episode (uncredited) .... King Nergyl
"G.I. Joe" .... Captain Lukrov / ... (1985)
- The Great Alaskan Land Rush (1985) TV episode (voice) .... Captain Lukrov
- The Pit of Vipers (1985) TV episode (voice) .... Dr. Hamler
Bigfoot and the Muscle Machines (1985) (V) (voice) .... Close McCall
Deadline Auto Theft (1983) (uncredited) .... Male Police Dispatcher
"Meatballs and Spaghetti" (1982) TV series (voice)
"Spider-Man" (1981) TV series (unknown episodes)
"SuperFriends Hour" (1980) TV series (voice) .... The Atom (1980-1983)
Gone in 60 Seconds (1974) (uncredited) .... Male police dispatcher
Sound Department:
1990s
1980s
1970s
Somebody to Love (1994) (ADR recordist)
Motorama (1991) (ADR facility)
"G.I. Joe: The Revenge of Cobra" (1984) TV mini-series (recording director)
"The Godzilla Power Hour" (1978) TV series (recording director) (unknown episodes, 1978-1980)
"Dynomutt Dog Wonder" (1978) TV series (recording director)
"The Skatebirds" (1977) TV series (recording director) (1977)
"The All-New Super Friends Hour" (recording director) (15 episodes, 1977)
- The Protector/Stowaways/The Ghost/Rampage (1977) TV episode (recording director)
- The Marsh Monster/Runaways/Will the World Collide?/Time Rescue (1977) TV episode (recording director)
- Frozen Peril/Dangerous Prank/The Mummy of Nazca/Cable Car Rescue (1977) TV episode (recording director)
- Man Beasts of XRA/Prejudice/Tiny World of Terror/Tibetan Raiders (1977) TV episode (recording director)
- Forbidden Power/Pressure Point/The Lion Men/Days of the Rats (1977) TV episode (recording director)
(10 more)
"Clue Club" (1976) TV series (recording director) (1976)
"Valley of the Dinosaurs" (1974) TV series (recording director) (1974)
"Devlin" (1974) TV series (recording director) (unknown episodes, 1974)
Director:
1990s
1980s
1960s
G.I. Joe: Sgt. Savage and His Screaming Eagles (1994) (V) (voices)
"Visionaries: Knights of the Magical Light" (13 episodes, 1987)
- Sorcery Squared (1987) TV episode
- Dawn of the Sun Imps (1987) TV episode
- Honor Among Theives (1987) TV episode
- Trail of the Three Wizards (1987) TV episode
- Horn of Unicorn, Claw of Dragon (1987) TV episode
(8 more)
Robotix (1985) (V)
"The New Adventures of Huckleberry Finn" (1 episode, 1968)
- The Little People (1968) TV episode
Casting Department:
Gordy (1995) (voice casting: animals)
"Exosquad" (1993) TV series (voice direction and casting) (unknown episodes)
Motorama (1991) (ADR voice casting) (uncredited)
Producer:
"Doctor Dolittle" (co-producer) (1970)
- The Grasshoppers Are Coming, Hooray, Hooray! (1970) TV episode (co-producer) (as Walter S. Burr)
Sole Survivor (1970) (TV) (producer) (as Walter Burr)
Self:
"Chasing the Sun" (2001)
- Heroes and Daredevils (2001) TV episode (voice)
- All Aboard (2001) TV episode (voice)


David Russell

X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) (post-production) (storyboard artist)
The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe (2005) (storyboard artist)
Son of the Mask (2005) (storyboard artist)
Anacondas: The Hunt for the Blood Orchid (2004) (storyboard artist)
Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World (2003) (storyboard artist)
The Quiet American (2002) (storyboard artist)
Johan Padan a la descoverta de le Americhe (2002) (storyboard artist)
The Crocodile Hunter: Collision Course (2002) (storyboard artist)
Invincible (2001) (TV) (storyboard artist)
The Man Who Sued God (2001) (storyboard artist)
"Changi" (2001) TV mini-series (storyboard artist)
Moulin Rouge! (2001) (production illustrator)
Vertical Limit (2000) (production illustrator and storyboard artist)
Red Planet (2000) (production illustrator)
"Farscape" (storyboard artist) (1999)
- Premiere (1999) TV episode (storyboard artist)
Flipper and the Milihune (1999) (storyboard artist)
The Thin Red Line (1998) (storyboard artist)
Popeye (1998) (storyboard artist)
Doom Runners (1997) (TV) (storyboard artist)
The Ripper (1997) (TV) (storyboard artist)
Star Kid (1997) (storyboard artist)
An American Werewolf in Paris (1997) (storyboard artist)
Wanted (1997) (storyboard artist)
Volcano (1997) (storyboard artist)
Metro (1997) (storyboard artist) (as David B. Russell)
Mad Dog Time (1996) (storyboard artist) (as David Russel)
Space Truckers (1996) (storyboard artist)
The Beast (1996) (TV) (storyboard artist)
Tremors II: Aftershocks (1996) (V) (storyboard artist)
Money Train (1995) (storyboard artist) (uncredited)
Free Willy 2: The Adventure Home (1995) (storyboard artist)
Vampire in Brooklyn (1995) (storyboard artist)
Higher Learning (1995) (storyboard artist)
Once Upon a Time... When We Were Colored (1995) (storyboard artist)
Witch Hunt (1994) (TV) (storyboard artist)
The Santa Clause (1994) (illustrator)
Blankman (1994) (storyboard artist)
"The Stand" (1994) TV mini-series (storyboard artist)
No Escape (1994) (sketch artist)
Gravity's Angel (1994) (storyboard artist)
Tombstone (1993) (storyboard artist) (uncredited)
Freaked (1993) (storyboard artist)
Free Willy (1993) (storyboard artist)
RoboCop 3 (1993) (storyboard artist) (uncredited)
Indian Summer (1993) (storyboard artist)
CB4 (1993) (storyboard artist)
Fortress (1993) (storyboard artist)
Journey to the Center of the Earth (1993) (TV) (storyboard artist)
Loaded Weapon 1 (1993) (storyboard artist)
"Space Rangers" (1993) TV series (storyboard artist) (unknown episodes)
A River Runs Through It (1992) (conceptual illustrator) (storyboard artist)
Crossing the Bridge (1992) (storyboard artist)
A League of Their Own (1992) (storyboard artist) (uncredited)
Freejack (1992) (storyboard artist) (uncredited)
The Search for Signs of Inteligent Life in the Universe (1991) (storyboard artist)
Cast a Deadly Spell (1991) (TV) (production illustrator and storyboard artist)
Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey (1991) (conceptual illustrator) (storyboard artist)
Talent for the Game (1991) (storyboard artist)
Closet Land (1991) (storyboard artist)
The Pit and the Pendulum (1991) (V) (storyboard artist)
Fear (1990) (illustrator)
Cry-Baby (1990) (storyboard artist)
Terminator II (1990) (conceptual illustrator)
Tango & Cash (1989) (storyboard artist) (uncredited)
Harlem Nights (1989) (storyboard illustrator)
Honey, I Shrunk the Kids (1989) (storyboard artist)
Batman (1989) (storyboard artist) (uncredited)
Nowhere to Run (1989) (storyboard artist)
Moonwalker (1988) (storyboard artist) ("Speed Rabbit")
Elvira, Mistress of the Dark (1988) (storyboard artist)
Who Framed Roger Rabbit (1988) (production illustrator: USA)
Splash, Too (1988) (TV) (storyboard artist)
Satisfaction (1988) (storyboard artist)
Empire of the Sun (1987) (conceptual illustrator) (uncredited)
The Stepfather (1987) (storyboard artist)
"Amazing Stories" (storyboard artist) (1986)
- Go to the Head of the Class (1986) TV episode (storyboard artist)
Back to School (1986) (production illustrator)
"Transformers" (storyboard artist) (65 episodes, 1984-1986)
- B.O.T. (1986) TV episode (storyboard artist)
- Revenge of Bruticus (1986) TV episode (storyboard artist)
- Starscream's Brigade (1986) TV episode (storyboard artist)
- Kremzeek! (1985) TV episode (storyboard artist)
- Cosmic Rust (1985) TV episode (storyboard artist)
(60 more)
The Color Purple (1985) (storyboard artist) (uncredited)
"G.I. Joe" (1985) TV series (storyboard artist) (unknown episodes)
"Galtar and the Golden Lance" (1985) TV series (storyboard artist)
"Pole Position" (1984) TV series (storyboard artist) (1984) (as David Russel)
"The Mighty Orbots" (storyboard artist) (13 episodes, 1984)
- The Invasion of the Shadow Star (1984) TV episode (storyboard artist)
- Operation Eclipse (1984) TV episode (storyboard artist)
- A Tale of Two Thieves (1984) TV episode (storyboard artist)
- The Cosmic Circus (1984) TV episode (storyboard artist)
- Leviathan (1984) TV episode (storyboard artist)
(8 more)
"He-Man and the Masters of the Universe" (storyboard artist) (32 episodes, 1984)
- A Trip to Morainia (1984) TV episode (storyboard artist) (as Dave Russell)
- Bargain with Evil (1984) TV episode (storyboard artist) (as Dave Russell)
- Battlecat (1984) TV episode (storyboard artist) (as Dave Russell)
- Battle of the Dragons (1984) TV episode (storyboard artist) (as Dave Russell)
- Beauty and the Beast (1984) TV episode (storyboard artist) (as Dave Russell)
(27 more)
Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983) (storyboard artist)
"The Scooby and Scrappy-Doo Puppy Hour" (1982) TV series (storyboard artist)
"The Kid Super Power Hour with Shazam!" (1981) TV series (storyboard artist) (1981)
"The New Adventures of Zorro" (1981) TV series (storyboard artist) (1981)
"Blackstar" (storyboard artist) (13 episodes, 1981)
- City of the Ancient Ones (1981) TV episode (storyboard artist)
- Kingdom of Neptul (????) TV episode (storyboard artist)
- Lightning City of the Clouds (????) TV episode (storyboard artist)
- Search for the Starsword (????) TV episode (storyboard artist)
- Spacewrecked (????) TV episode (storyboard artist)
(8 more)

Dan Gilvezan:

"Boston Legal" .... Evan Holt (2007)
- The Chicken and the Leg (2007) TV episode .... Evan Holt
"W.I.T.C.H." .... Tony Vandom (2006)
- Q Is for Quarry (2006) TV episode (voice) .... Tony Vandom
- N Is for Narcissist (2006) TV episode (voice) .... Tony Vandom
"Grim & Evil" .... Businessman #1 / ... (2005)
- He's Not Dead, He's My Mascot/Hog Wild (2005) TV episode (voice) .... Husband Alligator/Businessman #1
EverQuest II (2004) (VG) .... Manius Galla, Seargent Borus, Kreglebop Yekl, Infiltrator Stryjin, Generic Giant Enemy, Generic Half Elf Enemy, Generic Ratonga Enemy
"Miss Match" .... Lou (2003)
- I Got You Babe (2003) TV episode .... Lou
"Rugrats" .... Additional Voices (2002)
- Who's Taffy? (2002) TV episode (voice) .... Additional Voices
Spider-Man (2002) (VG) .... Security Guard
"Jackie Chan Adventures" .... John Smith / ... (2001)
- Danger in the Deep Freeze (2001) TV episode (voice) .... Peter Bailey
- Lost City of the Muntabs (2001) TV episode (voice) .... John Smith
"NYPD Blue" .... Richard Beck (2001)
- Mom's Away (2001) TV episode .... Richard Beck
Star Trek: Armada II (2001) (VG) (voice) .... Additional Voices
"The Bernie Mac Show" .... Marshall (2001)
- Bernie Mac, Ladies Man (2001) TV episode .... Marshall
"3rd Rock from the Sun" .... Disc Jockey / ... (1996-2001)
- You Don't Know Dick (2001) TV episode (voice) .... Disc Jockey
- Dick the Vote (1996) TV episode .... News Anchor
- Brains and Eggs (1996) TV episode .... Radio DJ
"Bette" .... Doctor (2000)
- In My Life (2000) TV episode .... Doctor
"Normal, Ohio" .... Prescott
- Forgotten, But Not Gone (????) TV episode .... Prescott
"Sabrina, the Teenage Witch" .... Dr. B. Witchfield (2000)
- Every Witch Way But Loose (2000) TV episode .... Dr. B. Witchfield
"Diagnosis Murder" .... Kent Beudine / ... (1997-1999)
- Trash TV: Part 1 (1999) TV episode .... Kent Beudine
- Trash TV: Part 2 (1999) TV episode .... Kent Beudine
- Slam-Dunk Dead (1997) TV episode .... Kent Beaudine
"Step by Step" .... Howard Adler / ... (1991-1998)
- Movin' on Up (1998) TV episode .... Howard Adler
- A Day in the Life (1991) TV episode .... Roger Keith
"The Tick" .... Bellbot Captain (1996)
- The Tick vs. Prehistory (1996) TV episode (voice) .... Bellbot Captain
"Murphy Brown" .... Lawyer #1 / ... (1988-1996)
- Up in Smoke (1996) TV episode .... Lawyer #1
- Baby Love (1988) TV episode .... Man
"Sisters" .... Dr. Herman Helpern (1996)
- The Best Man (1996) TV episode .... Dr. Herman Helpern
"Fantastic Four" .... Warlord Morrat (1996)
... aka The Marvel Action Hour: The Fantastic Four (USA)
- Behold, a Distant Star (1996) TV episode (voice) .... Warlord Morrat
"All-New Dennis the Menace" (1996) TV series .... Henry Mitchell
The Colony (1995) (TV) .... Steve Barnett
The Bears Who Saved Christmas (1994) (TV) (voice) .... Dad
White Mile (1994) (TV) .... Goldberg
"Perfect Strangers" .... Lance, the Host (1993)
- The Baby Quiz (1993) TV episode .... Lance, the Host
"Family Dog" (1993)
- Show Dog (1993) TV episode (voice)
"Civil Wars" (1992)
- The Triumph of DeVille (1992) TV episode
"She-Wolf of London" .... Skip Seville (1991)
- Eclipse (1991) TV episode .... Skip Seville
- Mystical Pizza (1991) TV episode .... Skip Seville
"Evening Shade" .... Steve (1990)
- Whatever Happened to Clutch Newton? (1990) TV episode .... Steve
"TaleSpin" (1990) TV series .... Additional Voices (unknown episodes)
"Anything But Love" (1990)
- Partying Is Such Sweet Sorrow (1990) TV episode
"Who's the Boss?" .... Russ (1990)
- Dear Landlord (1990) TV episode .... Russ
Ys: Book 1&2 (1990) (VG) (voice) .... Keith Fact
"ALF" .... Jim (1989)
- Happy Together (1989) TV episode .... Jim
"Moonlighting" (1989)
- Those Lips, Those Lies (1989) TV episode
"Family Ties" .... Officer Steele (1989)
- All in the Neighborhood: Part 2 (1989) TV episode .... Officer Steele
Pryde of the X-Men (1989) (TV) (voice) .... Additional Voices
"Ring Raiders" (1989) TV series (voice) .... Victor Vector
"The Real Ghost Busters" .... Paul Smart (1988)
- Robo-Buster (1988) TV episode (voice) .... Paul Smart
"Dino-Riders" (1988) TV series .... Questar (unknown episodes)
"A Pup Named Scooby-Doo" (1988) TV series .... Additional Voices (unknown episodes)
"Punky Brewster" .... Announcer (1988)
- Aunt Larnese Is Coming to Town (1988) TV episode .... Announcer
"thirtysomething" .... Father (1987)
- Weaning (1987) TV episode .... Father
"Pound Puppies" .... Cooler (26 episodes, 1986-1987)
... aka All New Pound Puppies (USA: second season title)
- Tuffy Gets Fluffy/Casey Come Home (1987) TV episode (voice) .... Cooler
- Snowbound Pound (1986) TV episode (voice) .... Cooler
- From Wags to Riches (1986) TV episode (voice) .... Cooler
- How to Found a Pound (1986) TV episode (voice) .... Cooler
- Bright Eyes Come Home (1986) TV episode (voice) .... Cooler
(21 more)
Transformers: The Return of Optimus Prime (1987) (V) (voice) .... Bumblebee / Goldbug
"The Jetsons" .... Lance (1987)
- Invisibly Yours, George (1987) TV episode .... Lance
"Jem" .... Fitzgerald Beck / ... (1985-1987)
- Culture Clash (1987) TV episode (voice) .... Fitzgerald Beck/Sean Harrison
- Battle of the Bands (1985) TV episode (voice) .... Fitzgerald Beck/Sean Harrison
"Spiral Zone" (1987) TV series .... Dirk Courage (unknown episodes)
G.I. Joe: The Movie (1987) (V) (voice) .... Slip Stream
"G.I. Joe" .... Slip-Stream (1986)
- Into Your Tent I Will Silently Creep (1986) TV episode (voice) .... Slip-Stream
- In the Presence of Mine Enemies (1986) TV episode (voice) .... Slip-Stream
G.I. Joe: Arise, Serpentor, Arise! (1986) (TV) (voice) .... Slip-Stream
The Transformers: The Movie (1986) (voice) .... Bumblebee
"Sectaurs" (1986) TV mini-series (voice) .... Dargon/Dragonflyer
"Transformers" .... Bumblebee / ... (21 episodes, 1984-1985)
- Prime Target (1985) TV episode (voice) .... Bumblebee / Goldbug / Hot Spot / Outback / Rollbar / Scamper / Skids / Snapdragon
- The Autobot Run (1985) TV episode (voice) .... Bumblebee / Goldbug / Hot Spot / Outback / Rollbar / Scamper / Skids / Snapdragon
- Make Tracks (1985) TV episode (voice) .... Bumblebee / Goldbug / Hot Spot / Outback / Rollbar / Scamper / Skids / Snapdragon
- The Core (1985) TV episode (voice) .... Bumblebee / Goldbug / Hot Spot / Outback / Rollbar / Scamper / Skids / Snapdragon
- Megatron's Master Plan: Part 2 (1985) TV episode (voice) .... Bumblebee / Berger's Guard
(16 more)
The Pound Puppies (1985) (TV) (voice) .... Cooler
"The Twilight Zone" .... Bartender (segment "Shatterday") (1985)
- Shatterday/A Little Peace and Quiet (1985) TV episode .... Bartender (segment "Shatterday")
"Alice" .... Robin Hood (1984)
- Space Sharples (1984) TV episode .... Robin Hood
Grace Kelly (1983) (TV) .... Reporter #3
"Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends" .... Spider-Man / ... (24 episodes, 1981-1983)
- Attack of the Arachnoid (1983) TV episode (voice) .... Spider-Man / Peter Parker
- Mission: Save the Guardstar (1983) TV episode (voice) .... Spider-Man / Peter Parker
- Origin of the Spider-Friends (1983) TV episode (voice) .... Spider-Man / Peter Parker
- Spider-Man: Unmasked! (1983) TV episode (voice) .... Spider-Man / Peter Parker
- Spidey Meets the Girl from Tomorrow (1983) TV episode (voice) .... Spider-Man / Peter Parker
(19 more)
"Newhart" (1982)
- Sprained Dreams (1982) TV episode
"Hill Street Blues" .... Reporter (1981-1982)
- Of Mouse and Man (1982) TV episode .... Reporter
- Chipped Beef (1981) TV episode .... Reporter
"Archie Bunker's Place" .... Guy (1981)
- Murray Klein's Place (1981) TV episode .... Guy
"The White Shadow" .... Reunion Attendee (1980)
- Reunion: Part 1 (1980) TV episode .... Reunion Attendee

Bryce Malek is probably starving too even with his Emmy Award


All these guys I quoted sure do look like they are starving....

Question: Do you enjoy making claims that never have the facts to support them? And when others back their claims up with facts and links and proof etc. do you get off on trying to manipulate twist and ignore them until your unfounded claims are secure again in your mind?????

[Draven]

... We get the picture.
OptimusSolo, you think the G1 cartoon was well written by people who cared about what they were writing.
Velcrohead, you don't.
THE END.
Seriously. This thread gets more and more fucking ridiculous every time one of you replies.

[Motor_Master]

... Couldn't you just post the link.

[Draven]

He'd only say that Velcrohead "clearly didn't read it".

[Velcrohead]

... We get the picture.
OptimusSolo, you think the G1 cartoon was well written by people who cared about what they were writing.
Velcrohead, you don't.
THE END.
Seriously. This thread gets more and more fucking ridiculous every time one of you replies.

QFT. Good day sir.

[OptimusSolo]

I rest my case - good discussion