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frenzy_rumble
07-11-2008, 04:53 PM
discuss.
superquad7
07-11-2008, 04:54 PM
Must we? :lol
If so, this is a good place to start reading: http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/RIBFIR
wheeljaxx
07-11-2008, 04:55 PM
no! not again
Ops_was_a_truck
07-11-2008, 04:56 PM
I go by the cartoon.
Takara_destron
07-11-2008, 04:56 PM
This is gonna get ugly...
I go by the cartoon.
So do I, but thats because I came across the cartoon before the toys.
Ravenxl7
07-11-2008, 04:59 PM
Personally, this is how I see it:
Frenzy=Red
Rumble=Blue
The names seem to fit the colors, imo. As for what's "official", I couldn't care less what they're official colors are, to be completely honest.
Nothing to discuss, the truth is as such:
FIBRIR
Simple as that.
Ops_was_a_truck
07-11-2008, 05:01 PM
Of course, I've also always been a "Rumble is a lovely little shade of lavender" type of fellow myself... :D
SPLIT LIP
07-11-2008, 05:03 PM
I go by toys, simply because I like Rumble as being red, since I like him better and red is nicer than blue. Though really, I don't think it matters. It won't change the fact that they exist in different colours. So saying one is "wrong" is pointless since they can both take homage equally.
superquad7
07-11-2008, 05:03 PM
Of course, I've also always been a "Rumble is a lovely little shade of lavender" type of fellow myself... :D
:lol that's great.
FP it! OwaT has ended the debate with this post. :thumb
Ops_was_a_truck
07-11-2008, 05:05 PM
I often wonder what type of eyeshadow Rumble would wear.
Of course I don't, silly.
MushroomPrime
07-11-2008, 05:08 PM
Rumble is Blue.
Frenzy is Red.
Thus, your title is incorrect
ninety
07-11-2008, 05:18 PM
Must we? :lol
If so, this is a good place to start reading: http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/RIBFIR
For the reasons contained above:
FIBRIR
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frenzy_rumble
07-11-2008, 05:18 PM
haha. i posted this like 10 minutes ago, it's 2 pages already. LOL, I think a mod swapped the thread's title too...
dont' post BS reasons like:
Rumble is Blue.
Frenzy is Red.
Thus, your title is incorrect
and don't post links to WIKI! you know they are wrong.
Lets hear some reason:
Doesn't it make sense that RUMBLE would be the guy who's arms for pile-drivers and RUMBLE the ground? (the blue guy)
and FRENZY is the one who scrambles soundwaves into a FRENZY?
http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/28437/2395668040100811158S500x500Q85.jpg
SPLIT LIP
07-11-2008, 05:26 PM
and don't post links to WIKI! you know they are wrong.Except the wikia is not wrong. That's FACT that has evidence to support it.
Doesn't it make sense that RUMBLE would be the guy who's arms for pile-drivers and RUMBLE the ground? (the blue guy)They both had pile drivers, didn't they? (answer: yes they did) :lol
and FRENZY is the one who scrambles soundwaves into a FRENZY?When did he ever do that? Seriously, Soundwave was the one who did all the scambling in the cartoon.:dj
Ops_was_a_truck
07-11-2008, 05:27 PM
Are you guys actually getting serious about this?
SPLIT LIP
07-11-2008, 05:28 PM
Are you guys actually getting serious about this?Nah, I'm just funnin' with him. ;)
superquad7
07-11-2008, 05:35 PM
Are you guys actually getting serious about this?
Of course, we're serious about everything. We're TF fans :lol
SPLIT LIP
07-11-2008, 05:36 PM
Of course, we're serious about everything. We're TF fans :lolWhich also makes us extremely literal.
Dark Syde!
Silent_Magnus
07-11-2008, 05:43 PM
Personally, this is how I see it:
Frenzy=Red
Rumble=Blue
The names seem to fit the colors, imo. As for what's "official", I couldn't care less what they're official colors are, to be completely honest.
I agree with this.
Red and Black just seems more like a "frenzied" color scheme to me.
Greyryder
07-11-2008, 06:16 PM
There's really nothing to discuss. The toys, comic, and the cartoon's bible all had Rumble red, and Frenzy blue.
Neither of them had pile drivers. Rumble could roll the cylindrical shaped parts of his body to cause low frequency ground vibrations, and Fenzy (if I remember this correctly) could grind some of his internal components tegether to create debilitating ear shattering noise.
As much as I enjoy the cartoon, it's hard to take it seriously, after it mistransformed the second group of seekers. Those cone heads just looked rediculous. Not to mention how badly they screwed up poor Astrotrain's colors....
Only one answer to this:
http://www.lilformers.com/index.php/2007/03/20/lil-formers-38-rumblefrenzy/
Magelite
07-11-2008, 06:35 PM
Personally, this is how I see it:
Frenzy=Red
Rumble=Blue
The names seem to fit the colors, imo. As for what's "official", I couldn't care less what they're official colors are, to be completely honest.
I'm the other way round. FIBRIR works better IMO.
superquad7
07-11-2008, 06:53 PM
There's really nothing to discuss. The toys, comic, and the cartoon's bible all had Rumble red, and Frenzy blue.
Neither of them had pile drivers. Rumble could roll the cylindrical shaped parts of his body to cause low frequency ground vibrations, and Fenzy (if I remember this correctly) could grind some of his internal components tegether to create debilitating ear shattering noise.
As much as I enjoy the cartoon, it's hard to take it seriously, after it mistransformed the second group of seekers. Those cone heads just looked rediculous. Not to mention how badly they screwed up poor Astrotrain's colors....
Well, it's also hard to take the cartoon as gospel when they miscolored the faction symbols so often too. :lol
NemesisBruticus
07-11-2008, 06:56 PM
RUMBLE IS GREEN. FRENZY IS YELLOW. Thank you knock offs for opening my eyes.
Serious-RIRFIB.
Optimus Sledge
07-11-2008, 07:22 PM
Answer. (http://www.insecticons.com/insecticomics/eternalquestion.html)
Rumble is lilac.
Snow Cat
07-11-2008, 07:34 PM
They're both sky blue pink. And obscured by Scotch Mist.
Ramrider
07-11-2008, 08:32 PM
There's really nothing to discuss. The toys, comic, and the cartoon's bible all had Rumble red, and Frenzy blue.
Neither of them had pile drivers. Rumble could roll the cylindrical shaped parts of his body to cause low frequency ground vibrations, and Fenzy (if I remember this correctly) could grind some of his internal components tegether to create debilitating ear shattering noise.
As much as I enjoy the cartoon, it's hard to take it seriously, after it mistransformed the second group of seekers. Those cone heads just looked rediculous. Not to mention how badly they screwed up poor Astrotrain's colors....
^^ What he said. ^^
Thundershot
07-11-2008, 08:44 PM
The US cartoon is the only source that accidentally had it backwards. Even the series bible said it should have been red Rumble.
Even better... Aaron Archer said at Botcon this year that Rumble is the red one.
Chris
$5HotRod
07-11-2008, 08:56 PM
As far as I know, there have only been two official counts of RIBFIR and those are the American G1 Cartoon and the Image/Devil's Due Comics of the G.I. Joe/Transformers crossover. I believe there was also an Attacktix figure of Rumble being blue but I don't know if that came to fruition.
Everything else is RIRFIB, which is the official way it should be. Well, unless you go with some issues of the Marvel comics where they were all black and the Generation 2 toys. And yes, the Japanese G1 cartoon had them as RIRFIB unless I was gravely misinformed.
Which do I prefer? RIBFIR, solely because an angry guy named Frenzy colored blue makes no sense to me. Red is usually portrayed as an angry color and would seem to be more fitting for a character named Frenzy. I've also heard the argument that sound is usually colored blue, which is pretty weak reasoning to still name the character Frenzy. If you're going by sound, then why not name the character something like Sonic? Rumble in either color scheme is fine with me but it's always been Frenzy being blue that's hung me up.
Eh well, c'est la vie.
onesock
07-11-2008, 09:10 PM
Rumble is Purple and Frenzy is Black.
Srsly.
Switchblade
07-11-2008, 09:35 PM
RITB/FITB
Rumble is Tape-Bot, Frenzy is Tape-Bot. There. Everybody wins.
There's really nothing to discuss. The toys, comic, and the cartoon's bible all had Rumble red, and Frenzy blue.Ultimately this is the answer; but with the cartoon being the predominant media for the toys at the time, a blue Rumble is etched into some people's minds.
Even at ten years old in 1984, I knew he had been colored wrong in the cartoon because you could go to the toy store and quite plainly see that Rumble was red; I never thought twice about it at the time.
Dropshot
07-11-2008, 09:59 PM
I absolutely hate when people puts "discuss" as ordering people to do so. And with this thread only saying that, I'd say it's the worst opening post ever.
frenzy_rumble
07-11-2008, 10:32 PM
Ultimately this is the answer; but with the cartoon being the predominant media for the toys at the time, a blue Rumble is etched into some people's minds.
Even at ten years old in 1984, I knew he had been colored wrong in the cartoon because you could go to the toy store and quite plainly see that Rumble was red; I never thought twice about it at the time.
BEST ANSWER YET.
Hey look at what I found:
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"FRENZY AND RAVAGE BUST"
http://bagelsncheesey.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/randfbust.jpg
"RUMBLE AND RATBAT BUST"
http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/images/products/out/large/DMC10865.jpg
frenzy_rumble
07-11-2008, 10:33 PM
I absolutely hate when people puts "discuss" as ordering people to do so. And with this thread only saying that, I'd say it's the worst opening post ever.
And I hates it when someone has nothing intelligent to say about the thread and points out something random. Discuss that. ;)
Ramrider
07-12-2008, 05:52 AM
Alternative (so far unexplored, it would appear) response:
"Frenzy's silver. Who the hell's Rumble?"
JOHNDILLINGA
07-12-2008, 06:50 AM
BEST ANSWER YET.
Hey look at what I found:
[center]
"FRENZY AND RAVAGE BUST"
http://bagelsncheesey.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/randfbust.jpg
"RUMBLE AND RATBAT BUST"
http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/images/products/out/large/DMC10865.jpg
QFT!
Seriously, The cartoon is the version (Media) most remember or go with, For all we know QC in the 80's at Hasbro wasn't up to par and the figures got switched (Much like Sideswipe & Sunstreaker's Bio's or the Red bb, Yellow Jumper, Bumblejumper packaging errors). and Hasbro just shruged their shoulders and ran with it, and still do till this day :lol: the only devation from this has been the recent Recon Barricade that included a Red Frenzy and not a Blue Frenzy (Shocker :ev:).
The Marvel Comics you can't really rely on simply for the fact that almost every issue had a known TF (Bot or Con) a completely wrong color (White headless Optimus Prime, Purple Jazz, Green Streaker, etc...)
Even in the Unofficial Transformers Guide they mention the error but since the Cartoon has from start to end including the G-1 movie has shown RIB FIR.
Starsabrej
07-12-2008, 09:37 AM
Honestly, I really don't care. The show says one thing. Everything else says another. I guess the answer depends on what you are watching at the moment.
...the only devation from this...Hardly! I think the wikia link helps to illustrate how few times Rumble is shown as blue. Every time Rumble is blue after the G1 cartoon (statues, Devils Due comics), it's simply a reflection of the original error by an artist who still holds onto FIRRIB.
http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/FIBRIR
It's amazing this discussion is still happening all these years later, when we now have access to the cartoon bible and direct confirmation from Hasbro.
If someone chooses to recognize Rumble as blue in their personal collection or whatever, fine... but let's not pretend blue Rumble is anything more than a production screw-up. They fixed it for the Japanese dub, he's red in the three of the four comic licensees (Marvel, Dreamwave, and IDW - the three major ones), and in recent years there have been both US and Japanese toy releases (Alternators and Music Label). Holding on for nostalia's sake is fine, but the facts stack heavily against FIRRIB.
Switchblade
07-12-2008, 10:04 AM
Seriously, The cartoon is the version (Media) most remember or go with, For all we know QC in the 80's at Hasbro wasn't up to par and the figures got switched (Much like Sideswipe & Sunstreaker's Bio's or the Red bb, Yellow Jumper, Bumblejumper packaging errors). and Hasbro just shruged their shoulders and ran with it, and still do till this day :lol: the only devation from this has been the recent Recon Barricade that included a Red Frenzy and not a Blue Frenzy (Shocker :ev:).
Except that the toys came before the cartoon, and they always had Rumble red and Frenzy blue.
The Marvel Comics you can't really rely on simply for the fact that almost every issue had a known TF (Bot or Con) a completely wrong color (White headless Optimus Prime, Purple Jazz, Green Streaker, etc...)
While the G1 cartoon, of course, was completely error free. :rolleyes2
gonzo23
07-12-2008, 10:56 AM
I 18th the notion of FIR/RIB!
Optimus Sledge
07-12-2008, 01:03 PM
I absolutely hate when people puts "discuss" as ordering people to do so. And with this thread only saying that, I'd say it's the worst opening post ever.
I must be slipping in my old age, because normally my response to "discuss" topics is "make me." If you've outlined something worth discussing, you don't need to slap "discuss" on the end of it like a crap exam question.
Fez Findie
07-12-2008, 01:07 PM
RIBFIR Myself. The VHS "Arrival from Cybertron" since I was very little.
Of course, I've also always been a "Rumble is a lovely little shade of lavender" type of fellow myself... :DThis is the truest comment in this thread! :)
Cartoon Rumble is so far from EITHER toy that it's rather pointless to discuss.
They both had pile drivers, didn't they? (answer: yes they did) :lol
When did he ever do that? Seriously, Soundwave was the one who did all the scambling in the cartoon.:djThis is of course due to the cartoon being INCREDIBLY LAZY and being full of animation errors and shorthand.
I confess, while I always tend to stick to the original Tech Specs, the image of Rumble with his little piledrivers has charmed me over the years. I now accept them as part of his character.
However, I can't accept him as being anything other than RED, nor can I accept Frenzy with piledrivers... by that logic, Frenzy is just Rumble II, rather than being a character in his own right. Frenzy and Buzzsaw always got the short end of the stick... Weak.
I agree with this.
Red and Black just seems more like a "frenzied" color scheme to me.Wow. That's REALLLLLY subjective, ain't it? :)
As much as I enjoy the cartoon, it's hard to take it seriously, after it mistransformed the second group of seekers. Those cone heads just looked rediculous. Q F T
Even at ten years old in 1984, I knew he had been colored wrong in the cartoon because you could go to the toy store and quite plainly see that Rumble was red; I never thought twice about it at the time.Exactly. But then some kids were clever enough to understand animation errors and bad writing, and roll with it even then... other kids were like "ZOMG! Rumble is BLUE! Constructicons built Megatron! Dion is Ironhide! Jazz is Prime's Second in Command! Starscream could beat Shockwave! Ravage can't talk, pop-rocks make your stomach explode, HE TELL ME!!!!" etc...
And that's why the fandom is the way it is even today. :)
zmog
Optimus Sledge
07-12-2008, 02:12 PM
Yeah, stupid cartoon making people think Jazz is second in command. Good thing the tech specs put us right on that.
His knowledge of Earth makes him the indispensable right-hand man to Optimus Prime.
Oh.
Caine
07-12-2008, 02:26 PM
FIRRIB
Ramrider
07-12-2008, 02:35 PM
Yeah, stupid cartoon making people think Jazz is second in command. Good thing the tech specs put us right on that.
His knowledge of Earth makes him the indispensable right-hand man to Optimus Prime.
Oh.
Come on, you can't expect the cartoon to get everything wrong... sometimes they even got the number of Devastator's eyes right!
Optimus Sledge
07-12-2008, 03:16 PM
I think people rag on the cartoon too much, to the extent that newer fans assume it was some sort of ongoing clusterf&^* with no logic whatsoever. If it was as bad as some people make it out to be, I doubt we'd be here now. We'd probably be looking forward to 30th Anniversary Cy-Kill and mocking people who still insist Optimus Prime was a good toy.
NemesisBruticus
07-12-2008, 03:27 PM
Of course, I've also always been a "Rumble is a lovely little shade of lavender" type of fellow myself... :D
:throw
Ramrider
07-12-2008, 04:44 PM
I think people rag on the cartoon too much, to the extent that newer fans assume it was some sort of ongoing clusterf&^* with no logic whatsoever. If it was as bad as some people make it out to be, I doubt we'd be here now. We'd probably be looking forward to 30th Anniversary Cy-Kill and mocking people who still insist Optimus Prime was a good toy.
I'm looking forward to the 30th Anniversary Cy-Kill, but in my heart, I really wanted them to do Fitor... :(
Drake
07-12-2008, 04:53 PM
There are four lights.... Oh wait.....
Optimus Sledge
07-12-2008, 07:35 PM
I'm looking forward to the 30th Anniversary Cy-Kill, but in my heart, I really wanted them to do Fitor... :(
No love for Scooter?
superquad7
07-12-2008, 08:11 PM
No love for Scooter?
I'm a Turbo fan myself (despite never having owned a toy version of him).
RirFiB
AutobotSDG
07-12-2008, 08:12 PM
To those that believe FirRib...
Do you also believe that every Mini-Con in Armada is named Leader-1?
Optimus Sledge
07-12-2008, 08:13 PM
Hmm, Turbo was pretty cool. I wonder if we could get a Masterpiece version? There'd be no licensing issues for his alt mode.
AutobotSDG: Wtf?
rizuan76
07-12-2008, 08:26 PM
I go by the cartoon. that's it.
AutobotSDG
07-12-2008, 08:30 PM
AutobotSDG: Wtf?
What? I know I derailed the Go-Bot conversation... but I had to ask it since it deals with the original topic.
It was directed towards the people that go by the cartoon for Frenzy and Rumbles names. Since just about every Mini-con in the Armada cartoon was called Leader-1, I was asking if they thought the same.
Optimus Sledge
07-12-2008, 08:40 PM
Um... did you watch a different Armada series to me? A version dubbed by people obsessed with Leader-1, for instance?
ninety
07-12-2008, 09:16 PM
I'm looking forward to the 30th Anniversary Cy-Kill, but in my heart, I really wanted them to do Fitor... :(
BadBoy or Dozer for me, I REALLY want a MP Dozer.
FIBRIR
Ramrider
07-12-2008, 09:44 PM
No love for Scooter?
Not really, no; he kinda got my nerves, to be honest.
To those that believe FirRib...
Do you also believe that every Mini-Con in Armada is named Leader-1?
Um... did you watch a different Armada series to me? A version dubbed by people obsessed with Leader-1, for instance?
No, it wasn't 'just about every' Minicon, as far as I recall; it was just Sparkplug (and Leader-1, natch), all the way through the first ep (how much further it went on, I can't remember offhand, but it was at least the whole first ep).
Optimus Sledge
07-12-2008, 09:54 PM
I may have been being a tad facetious suggesting Scooter. He was the Wheelie of the GoBots.
Nice to know it's not just me not remembering Armada that way.
Backscatter
07-12-2008, 10:38 PM
R&F are any colors I want them to be. To each his/her own.
Belgrath
07-12-2008, 10:54 PM
There are four lights.... Oh wait.....
:lol
As for the FIBRIR, cartoon for me.
Yeah, stupid cartoon making people think Jazz is second in command. Good thing the tech specs put us right on that.
"His knowledge of Earth makes him the indispensable right-hand man to Optimus Prime."
Oh.There's a difference between being an indispensible right-hand-man and being Second in Command. Jazz is an important officer no doubt about it, and probably a personal favourite and confidant of Optimus... but in the original Ark crew, Prowl is the second-ranked Autobot. Jazz shares the number 3 spot with Wheeljack.
The way I've always seen it is that Prowl is a planner and administrator. Jazz on the other hand is an intelligence gatherer, a guy who prefers to be in the field. This is also borne out by their listed military functions.
Like I said... whatever has become fan opinion since, the early G1 Tech Specs pretty much trump everything else for canonical resonance.
Personally though, I'm open to some revision and creative license (Furman's IDW work for example)... perhaps more now than I ever was as a kid. I was much much more attuned to the various errors in the G1 cartoon back then... now I kind of let it slide. I've come to appreciate the appeal of Rumble with Piledrivers, Cybertronian-origin Jetfire, Energon instead of fuel, retarded Dinobots, etc... :)
I think people rag on the cartoon too much, to the extent that newer fans assume it was some sort of ongoing clusterf&^* with no logic whatsoever. This is somewhat true... G1 was still a pretty good cartoon. But it still undeniably had it's share of errors and inconsistencies... and then some!
zmog
R&F are any colors I want them to be. To each his/her own.Well, that's kind of a completely false statement, isn't it? Living in a wholly subjective reality doesn't necessarily make it reality, does it now?
I can say that Rodimus is clinically retarded and wears his pants backwards because that's the way I want it to be. Doesn't make it so though... :)
zmog
Pravus Prime
07-12-2008, 11:10 PM
It's funny, as a kid of the cartoons, RiBFiR. However, since then, just as growing up changes other perspectives, it's become FiBRiR, as it should've been, though sometimes I still make the mental mistake when reading a comic.
I'm kind of surprised this discussion has lasted this long, I half expected it to have been locked the same day it was posted.
Ezilla82
07-12-2008, 11:13 PM
In my opinion, it doesn't matter all that much, about what color Frenzy and Rumble is in... red or blue its really about what the fans want. And if the want it different then go ahead its your imagination and your choice.
Rodimus Major
07-12-2008, 11:14 PM
Well, that's kind of a completely false statement, isn't it? Living in a wholly subjective reality doesn't necessarily make it reality, does it now?
I can say that Rodimus is clinically retarded and wears his pants backwards because that's the way I want it to be. Doesn't make it so though... :)
zmog
When you're talking about toys, sure it does. Which is why I have a classics Hot Rod and will likely get an Octane and Bluestreak even though they never actually made those toys, and G1 Galvatron is an obsessed otaku that screams in Japanese. And Rumble is blue.
Good luck finding pants that fit Rodimus though. ;)
trebleshot
07-12-2008, 11:55 PM
The toys were my first introduction to Transformers, so RIRFIB.
When you're talking about toys, sure it does. Which is why I have a classics Hot Rod and will likely get an Octane and Bluestreak even though they never actually made those toys, and G1 Galvatron is an obsessed otaku that screams in Japanese. And Rumble is blue.
Good luck finding pants that fit Rodimus though. ;)Every now and again, I just feel like I have to strike back at that "Everything is personal, there's no such thing as 'wrong'." kind of self-obsessed subjectivism that's become such a prevalent attitude.
I mean, naturally, you can create your own fanon and rename your TFs so they fit into your own personal version of updated G1, etc... I do the same thing.
But I wouldn't try to claim that my personal version is the "correct" one, any more than I would decide that in MY Star Wars universe, Luke wears Mandalorian Battle Armour and use Django Fett as my Luke, and then expect it to be an accepted truth.
G1 Rumble is black and red. Fact.
We can all repaint him with our minds, and swap him with other figures in our collections, but it will not change the fact that G1 Rumble is red.
Or lavender if you adhere exclusively to the G1 Cartoon. :D
zmog
Optimus Sledge
07-13-2008, 05:39 AM
Like I said... whatever has become fan opinion since, the early G1 Tech Specs pretty much trump everything else for canonical resonance.
So to you, Skywarp is second in command of the Decepticons?:wink: Now, I know what you're going to say: that was an obvious and known error. So, with that in mind, for you is Sideswipe the red one or the yellow one?
I kinda see what you're saying, but I think you're too willing to overlook errors and inconsistencies in your chosen fiction that you would condemn in others. As has been said, Rumble was blue in the cartoon and therefore always will be blue for a lot of people. Was that a goof? Maybe. Or maybe Rumble always was blue, and the names got switched on the toys. Who knows?
Ramrider
07-13-2008, 12:00 PM
So to you, Skywarp is second in command of the Decepticons?:wink: Now, I know what you're going to say: that was an obvious and known error. So, with that in mind, for you is Sideswipe the red one or the yellow one?
Sunstreaker's the yellow standard Countach; Sideswipe's the red Super with the rear air intake. And that's what I intend to put it back to when I get the Universe figs... ;)
I kinda see what you're saying, but I think you're too willing to overlook errors and inconsistencies in your chosen fiction that you would condemn in others. As has been said, Rumble was blue in the cartoon and therefore always will be blue for a lot of people. Was that a goof? Maybe. Or maybe Rumble always was blue, and the names got switched on the toys. Who knows?
Although it's also well known that the bible for the series says quite clearly that Rumble's red; it was then changed to purple/blue when it went to production. I'm assuming it was so Frenzy didn't get entirely left out...
Ripclaw
07-13-2008, 12:12 PM
i will only say this once
FIRRIB
RIBFIR
$5HotRod
07-13-2008, 12:17 PM
i will only say this once
FIRRIB
RIBFIR
That looks like twice to me. :wink:
Ripclaw
07-13-2008, 12:42 PM
That looks like twice to me. :wink:
yeah well, that is if you want to get technical
but really i said it both ways once
<.<
cant beat my logic
So to you, Skywarp is second in command of the Decepticons?:wink: Now, I know what you're going to say: that was an obvious and known error. So, with that in mind, for you is Sideswipe the red one or the yellow one?
I kinda see what you're saying, but I think you're too willing to overlook errors and inconsistencies in your chosen fiction that you would condemn in others. As has been said, Rumble was blue in the cartoon and therefore always will be blue for a lot of people. Was that a goof? Maybe. Or maybe Rumble always was blue, and the names got switched on the toys. Who knows?Heh heh... I was wondering if you were going to pull out the Skywarp-Starscream swap, and the twins error...
So yeah... Skywarp/Starscream is an obvious error, so I think that one speaks for itself.
The Sunstreaker/Sideswipe thing is more complex, because it's more than just a simple swap... the colours, the air-intake/jetpack, the piledrivers, Sunstreaker's "heavily armoured chest"... it's hard to reconcile without radically altering the way the characters have been portrayed since, well... forever.
In the case of of the Classics/Universe figures, because it's the same basic mold, all that's necessary is deciding who gets the rear engine intakes. But with the G1 designs being so radically different, it presents a real problem. In that instance, I've adopted the obvious solution... keep things status quo, and ignore the physical characteristics that clearly fit the other brother better.
Does it make me lame that I actually heave a conflicted sigh about that now whenever I think about the twins? :)
That said, the twins are an extreme case. There's never really been any evidence that Rumble and Frenzy were switched at birth. Cartoon Rumble is pale purple, so that's sort of inconclusive (hey, what do you get when you blend red and blue together? :) ), and Frenzy appeared so rarely, it's almost not worth mentioning the fact that he had no distinctive traits of his own, and instead just copied Rumble in every way.
Anyway, I go pretty much by the toys and specs, so yeah... Rumble is Red, Frenzy is Blue, and Sunstreaker and Sideswipe stay as they are. Starscream and Skywarp are the only real allowance I make, since those were the ones that really raised an eyebrow when you compared their profiles to their stats blocks. :)
zmog
Gingerchris
07-13-2008, 03:28 PM
As I always say in threads about this:
RIGFIBI.
:)
Rumble02
07-13-2008, 03:33 PM
my brian is gonna explode
MattMoylan
07-13-2008, 04:29 PM
he's red in the three of the four comic licensees (Marvel, Dreamwave, and IDW - the three major ones)
Not totally true. Rumble is blue in the earlier Dreamwave comics until the writer changed and his color was changed.
Optimus Sledge
07-13-2008, 06:08 PM
my brian is gonna explode
That'll annoy Peter Griffin.
So, to conclude: Rumble is the one who isn't Frenzy.
Grimlock_13
07-13-2008, 06:13 PM
Oh lord :lol
I didn't notice the name difference on the toys and I was never into the comics growing up so it is and always will be RiBFiR to me.
Pun-3X
07-13-2008, 06:15 PM
Think I'll skip reading most of this one--usually breaks down to some poeple joking, others getting too serious about "It IS this way/it IS that way." At least, that's how it was looking first page and a half or so.
Putting my vote in with "Rumble is Lilac/Lavender/some purple shade."
We'll be the independant party that can never win, but'll #&$^ up the vote for at least one side or the other. And we still get what we want out of it. :D
Fez Findie
07-13-2008, 08:13 PM
What's the count on all sides so far?
$5HotRod
07-13-2008, 08:20 PM
What's the count on all sides so far?
Wait, we're voting? What's there to vote about?
Backscatter
07-14-2008, 07:22 AM
Well, that's kind of a completely false statement, isn't it? Living in a wholly subjective reality doesn't necessarily make it reality, does it now?
I can say that Rodimus is clinically retarded and wears his pants backwards because that's the way I want it to be. Doesn't make it so though... :)
zmog
REALITY? Gee Wizz, I thought the Transformers were fantasy?:confused2
RIBFIR then, I go by the cartoon. Anyway, I do agree that Rodimus is clinically retarded! :lol Not sure he wears pants though.. . .
Gingerchris
07-14-2008, 08:34 AM
Maybe Rumble and Frenzy are like the twins that keep swapping clothes to confuse people.
Optimus Sledge
07-14-2008, 08:39 AM
They would totally do that. Probably with help from Skywarp if needed.
REALITY? Gee Wizz, I thought the Transformers were fantasy?:confused2
RIBFIR then, I go by the cartoon. Anyway, I do agree that Rodimus is clinically retarded! :lol Not sure he wears pants though.. . .Robopants! You can tell they're on backwards because you can see the screws. :)
And by "reality", I mean the physical reality of the TF toys. I can say that in my version, Gandalf bitch-slaps Frodo, calls up his eagle homies, and flies the One Ring over to Mount Doom in one lazy afternoon, but Tolkien didn't write it that way, so it's not reality, dig? ;)
Maybe Rumble and Frenzy are like the twins that keep swapping clothes to confuse people.LOL! That'd be great... Megatron's always mixing them up. "I though YOU were the red one. Damn, you guys all look alike to me...".
zmog
sto_vo_kor_2000
07-19-2008, 10:01 PM
Not totally true. Rumble is blue in the earlier Dreamwave comics until the writer changed and his color was changed.
In which early DW book????
Its not that I'm doubthing you but I dont recall that and want to look it up myself.
Shark Jumper
07-19-2008, 10:21 PM
I have a KO Rumble with G1 cartoon colors so the red and black guy can be Frenzy.
Fez Findie
07-19-2008, 10:23 PM
Wait, we're voting? What's there to vote about?
No, this isn't about voting, just out of curiousity, that's all. And to see how many of you are askin' for the Nerd Block.
Chainclaw
07-20-2008, 11:17 AM
I think the real question is: does it matter?
I don't think it does; neither character is exactly pivotal, and this argument will never get settled one way or another.
I think the real question is: does it matter?
I don't think it does; neither character is exactly pivotal, and this argument will never get settled one way or another.It doesn't need to be settled. We already know that Rumble is red, and for some reason, purple on the cartoon. There's really no argument with that, as it is immutable fact.
Anything else is just wishful thinking from a bunch of die hards. :)
zmog
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