Animated continuity with Gen1

[Tim_Patterson]

OK, a friend bet me I couldn't come up with this. Help me plug the holes, so I don't lose.


I would put Animated, further into the future, after the G1 Movie (obviously), and after Robots in disguise, but way before Beast Wars and Beast Machines.

In Japan, the Bots in RID had completely different names, and were not their G1 counterparts, (Fireconvoy, Gigatron, etc.) also it was a sorta self contained conflict,
so this should work....


Many years after the Autobots won the Great War (G1) and returned to cybertron, the lack of energy and continued hostility among the different factions take it's toll.

Thus the "Great Upgrade" as mentioned by Optimus Primal in the pilot episode of - Beast Machines.

The Autobots and the defeated decepticons, voluntarily go through a process of making themselves more efficient and 're-booting' themselves .

Using new "protoform" technology, (Bumblebee mentions protoforms to Wasp - animated) the Transformers become sleeker and more efficient, but more importantly have no memory of their past, in an effort to end the hostilities.

A few Decepticons are not going along with this and flee to the outer rim.

A select few, such as Ultra Magnus, Ratchet and Ravage (said to have been given amnesty - Beast Wars) are upgraded as much as they can be, without the protoform process.

They are charged with the task of keeping an eye on things, and make sure the new 'bots' don't fall back into old habits.
After all, Prime is a natural born leader, so placing him on menial tasks like space bridge repair, should keep things quiet.

That is until the Allspark reemerges...


A few things I haven't figured or am really reaching for ...

The allspark is what? The matrix of sparks perhaps? Heart of cybertron?

Ratchet was brought back to life when? I like to think Prime gave him a piece of his spark to revive him, and help this whole process along.

Some of the bots are completely new, with old names (Ironhide). Perhaps there is some spark merging going on ala -Beast Wars and Beast Machines

The new Megatrons origin? Perhaps the combination of Galvatrons, Cyclonus and Scourges sparks? Explains his flight mode.

On that, if Megatron in Beast Machines succeeded in combining all of the sparks, would he have revived Cybertron himself?

Does Wasp actually become Waspinator, that we see later in Beast Wars? He would have been upgraded from the insecticon shrapnel, as mentioned in - Beast Wars

Please add your thoughts.

[shroobmaster]

Dude, it's impossible to do it with two extremely different universe that just re-uses names.

Just admit defeat to your friend.

[Silent_Magnus]

I hope takara doesn't try to shove animated into their "super-continuity".

[Tim_Patterson]

Dude, it's impossible to do it with two extremely different universe that just re-uses names.

Just admit defeat to your friend.


Nah, I think this works.

[Omnius]

Mathematically speaking:

(Animated = G1) = False

[Metalhead]

Putting it bluntly, your idea sucks.

[Tim_Patterson]

Mathematically speaking:

(Animated = G1) = False


Seriously, Why couldn't it work.
I mean the first episode had footage from G1.
Is it that far fetched?

[Omnius]

Because Animated is not set in the G1 continuity.

[Tim_Patterson]

Because Animated is not set in the G1 continuity.

Thae same could have been said about Beast Wars Season 1

[Omnius]

It's already been said that the G1 footage at the beginning of Animated was a nod to the fans, and nothing more. I'm pretty sure Aaron Archer himself is on record as saying they're separate continuities.

[Tim_Patterson]

It's already been said that the G1 footage at the beginning of Animated was a nod to the fans, and nothing more. I'm pretty sure Aaron Archer himself is on record as saying they're separate continuities.

Darn, Really? Do you have a link to that Aaron Archer thing?

I may be out $20. Everyone seems to be rejecting the Idea.

[Omnius]

It's somewhere within these very forums - some digging with the Search function should provide results.

[Ops_was_a_truck]

I don't have anything to add other than to note that, while Animated does a cool job of culling themes from G1, I certainly don't think or feel that it's connected in any formal/storytelling perspective to the original show.

[EvaUnit13]

If you choose to think that Animated is the same continuity as G1, then it leaves a lot more plot holes than just thinking that the G1 references are just there for the old fans

[trebleshot]

I would also like to add that hopefully Hasbro learned their lesson from trying to shoehorn Cybertron into the Armada/Energon continuity.

Animated is, and should remain, a separate universe.

[thor20]

Animated is a completely different continuity. There are so many things in this that nod to G1 but that is it. dont wanna see you lose $20 but it isn't true. Also RID was a different continuity also.

[Magelite]

Tell me, how, in under 100 years, and why, did the Autobots wipe all trace of their civilisation from earth, wipe all knowledge of earth from cybertron, and then on earth how did the humans lose all their advanced technology and lose all knowledge of their cybertronian allies?

[Silent_Magnus]

Also RID was a different continuity also.

In Japan it officially is.(through various retcons)
Sad, but true. I personally keep it separate though.

[nkelsch]

My head asplode when trying to ponder the Tarkara mega retconverse. I don't want to do this with animated.

Multiverse is fine by me. Primus in infinite universes, Unicron moves from universe to universe. Animated is just another version of primus and the multiverse.

[Rod]

Why do people read so much into a KID'S TV show?

[Particle_Beam]

I'd rather have no Primus nor Unicon in TF: Animated. The AllSpark is mystical enough as the supernatural element (well, besides the giant transformers from Cybertron). :p

[nkelsch]

I'd rather have no Primus nor Unicon in TF: Animated. The AllSpark is mystical enough as the supernatural element (well, besides the giant transformers from Cybertron). :p

The 'allspark' basically is Primus's physical incarnation in animated and TF:movie.

That is part of the multiverse mythos. Basically the powersource at the core of the series is Primus.

[Sparky Prime]

I would also like to add that hopefully Hasbro learned their lesson from trying to shoehorn Cybertron into the Armada/Energon continuity.

The thing about Cybertron is that it was originally conceived to be a part of the Armada/Energon continuity. The Superlink/Energon writers however changed the intended ending which resulted in problems for Cybertron. Hasbro didn't shoehorn anything, they just went with the original plan, despite the resulting continuity issues.

Animated on the other hand was intended to be a completely new continuity. And as such, it doesn't fit in with any of the continuities that came before it.

[Backscatter]

Multiverse good! Single continuity BAD! I see Animated like RID, unto itself. I also hope, like RID, that there's no Unicron in this series.

[FreshDebesh]

To me, Animated is G1 had Prime and the Autobots not left Cybertron and if the Autobots and Decepticons never landed on Earth 4 million years ago. Ratchet even tells Omega Supreme that they won the Great War. I think its possible that its an alt continuity. A "what if the transformers never left Cybertron" type of thing. In that manner, I'd say Animated Ratchet is G1 Ratchet, and Megs, Screamer, Blitzwing are the G1 versions. Its possible they went into hiding after they lost the Great War to the Autobots. Similarly, its possible that the original Optimus Prime passed on and that Ultra Magnus took over, and became the top dog in the Autobot ranks.

[Mechabreaker]

^This.

It was a nod, nothing more.

[Rayzilla Prime]

Oh, boy...Animated is its own continuity. Beast Wars is the only series to have G1 continuity (they go back in time, land on Earth, happen to find their ancestors, the Autobots and Decepticons, etc.). The G1 clips in Animated were just a huge nod to the fans (as some have mentioned already).

Besides, saying Animated being connected to G1 is like saying RiD is connected to Armada. They were never meant to be connected, and it's impossible to do so.

[Wiggyof09]

Till all (continuities) are one.

There is no way possible to make Animated fit into G1 for the simple fact that no bot in the show seems to have any idea what earth is and no human seems to have ever seen a transformer before. People just don't forget giant talking robots.

[trebleshot]

The thing about Cybertron is that it was originally conceived to be a part of the Armada/Energon continuity. The Superlink/Energon writers however changed the intended ending which resulted in problems for Cybertron. Hasbro didn't shoehorn anything, they just went with the original plan, despite the resulting continuity issues.

That was Hasbro's intention, not the writers. They never wrote Galaxy Force/Cybertron as a continuation of Super Link/Energon, pure and simple. In Japan, the shows are separate continuities. Had the writers wanted to make it a trilogy, they would have written it that way and we wouldn't have any continuity issues between the two, as is the case with Micron Legend and Superlink.

Besides, there were more continuity issues than just matching the ending of Energon with the beginning of Cybertron. Some people have tried to retcon it all by saying it was the effects of the black hole, but I say it was the effects of trying to link two shows that weren't meant to be linked together.

[Tim_Patterson]

Till all (continuities) are one.

There is no way possible to make Animated fit into G1 for the simple fact that no bot in the show seems to have any idea what earth is and no human seems to have ever seen a transformer before. People just don't forget giant talking robots.

Good point...

Authough, the humans didn't seem that surprised when the first saw the autobots.

The best I figure is this is a reboot of the series, ala James Bond, Batman

[Particle_Beam]

Yes, this is a reboot, which is why it's a different continuity. And yes, the humans were surprised when they saw the Autobots (Fanzone wondered if they were Sumdac-creation, and he denied it). All major robotic technology comes from Sumdac Industries, and Sumdac's advanced knowledge of robotics comes from Megatron's (back then) offline head and hand.

[swarlock]

NOT THIS AGAIN!!! (Animated Prowl) :banghead:

[swarlock]

I hope takara doesn't try to shove animated into their "super-continuity".

They will. Count on it.

[MetroBoy]

I still think there should be a "Crisis on Infinate Cybertrons" smackdown! The Wheelies of multiple universes get together and decide that they really do suck, and kill eachother.

[swarlock]

Why do people read so much into a KID'S TV show?

Because they think it gives them superior power?

Nah! That can't be it.

[Sparky Prime]

That was Hasbro's intention, not the writers. They never wrote Galaxy Force/Cybertron as a continuation of Super Link/Energon, pure and simple. In Japan, the shows are separate continuities. Had the writers wanted to make it a trilogy, they would have written it that way and we wouldn't have any continuity issues between the two, as is the case with Micron Legend and Superlink.

Besides, there were more continuity issues than just matching the ending of Energon with the beginning of Cybertron. Some people have tried to retcon it all by saying it was the effects of the black hole, but I say it was the effects of trying to link two shows that weren't meant to be linked together.

Like I said, the three shows were originally conceived to be all part of the same continuity. Given the problems resulting in the changes to the ending of Superlink, Takara and the Galaxy Force writers decided to change Galaxy Force into it's own continuity to avoid problems, which caused more continuity problems for Cybertron which Hasbro wanted to keep in the same continuity as Energon and Armada as originally planned. Galaxy Force however, was later reconned to be in the same continuity as Micron Legend and Superlink. I'm sure there are plenty of topics that discuss all of this around here. Edit: Such as this one (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=129535&highlight=Galaxy+Force+continuity).

[Julliant]

The G1 footage at the start doesn't mean it is G1 continuity, however it can still mean something in the Animated universe. Perhaps the Autobots used Guardians in the past as well.

[Hiro Prime]

Given the past two seasons and the fact that the show "is" it's own continuity, there is a way to tie Animated to G1 that is both clever and sound.

Let me preface this by stating again that I know it's not ment to be tied to G1 and this is only my own idea here. Let's take Fresh's idea of an Alternate reality and expand on it's divergent point. In true Marvel style... What If Ultra Magnus became Leader of the Autobots.

In the G1 episode, War Dawn, the Aerialbots are tricked by the Decepticons into Cybertron's distant past. Just before the Great War broke out in fact. There they met a bot named Orion Pax along with his Buddy Dion and his Girlfriend Ariel who think the new Decepticons are cool. Well as everyone who's seen the episode knows, Megatron takes over the building Orion Pax works at with his friends and they are gravely injured. The Aerialbots take Orion to a young bot named Alpha Trion who rebuilds him into Optimus Prime.

Now here's where things could have gone a little different and could have led to the directions that would become the Animated universe. What if the Aerialbots had made friends with Dion instead of Orion Pax. Tho it's never been exactly continuity, a lot of fans have assumed that Dion got rebuilt into Ultra Magnus just as Ariel was rebuilt into Elita-1. If the Aerialbots would have taken Dion to Alpha Trion first, Alpha Trion would have given him the charge of guarding the Allspark. (or Matrix if you will as I have a point for that too)

So the Areialbots take out Megatron's Drones by blowing up the storage building he took over from Orion and Dion. What happens to them afterwards is no longer important as the damage has already been done. Ultra Magnus is given the task of defeating the Decepticons and safeguarding Cybertron. His two best friends having already been injured and rebuilt into Optimus and Elita-1, sent away to protect them from the war he knows may destroy everything.

Durring the War UM learns that Megatron is after the Matrix and that the war is just a distraction for him to take it. Magnus has Alpha Trion build a new container for the Matrix to protect it and to further keep it from Megatron, he orders it sent to the farthest reaches of space using the new Spacebridge system. Now called the Allspark, it is sent through multiple Spacebridges in a random set of multiple locals to keep it moving incase it were to be found by accident. Alpha Trion protests but in the end agrees that it would be the only way to End the war.

Megatron learns of this and breaks off his attack of Cybertron to search for the Allspark. Without Megatron, the rest of the Decepticons are either captured or flee to the edge of the universe to escape capture. Thus the Autobots win the Great War and begin the long process of rebuilding.

Durring this rebuilding time, Ultra Magnus restructures the political structure of Cybertron to always keep a vigilent watch for the Decpticon's return. He is given the uncontested leadership of all Autobots and he builds a new structure of protectors and suppliers. The Protectors, led by the Elite Guard, control the govt and police the sectors of space under their watch. The suppliers keep the wheels of Cybertron socity flowing smoothly.

Also durring this time, Ultra Magnus friends, eager to do their part to help, join the ranks of the Autobots. Still trying to protect his old friends from harm he keeps them away from dangerous missions untill a fateful incident where Elita-1 is lost. Seeing this as a validation of his fears and reading the report submitted by Sentinel, UM sets his old friend up in the least dangerous job he can think of, leading a crew of Spacebridge repairbots. Which catches us up with the first episode of Animated.

So, it's not so much a spin off of G1 but a what G1 might have been kind of idea. Maybe you can win your bet with this.

[Bumblebee1251]

just throwing my few cent in.

i like the idea. you're doing well.

i too understand that the two story lines are not linked, but that doesn't mean they can't share a lot of story (as the writers usually throw in).

I think we make way too much over this. if you wanna plot the lines between the two, good luck! I'll keep popping in, i'd love to see how you do it.

if you guys don't like, hell, then don't post

[trebleshot]

Interesting idea, Hiro. It would certainly make for a good fanfic, if nothing else.

Like I said, the three shows were originally conceived to be all part of the same continuity. Given the problems resulting in the changes to the ending of Superlink, Takara and the Galaxy Force writers decided to change Galaxy Force into it's own continuity to avoid problems, which caused more continuity problems for Cybertron which Hasbro wanted to keep in the same continuity as Energon and Armada as originally planned. Galaxy Force however, was later reconned to be in the same continuity as Micron Legend and Superlink. I'm sure there are plenty of topics that discuss all of this around here. Edit: Such as this one (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=129535&highlight=Galaxy+Force+continuity).

Aside from Takara changing their minds again (which I was not aware of), this contradicts what I said how? You've basically confirmed what I said and posted a link as proof.

Regardless, you seem to be missing my point. Rather than continue this circular conversation because you apparently had a problem with my usage of "shoehorn," allow me to rephrase it:

Animated is being written as a separate universe and not meant to be linked to G1. My hope is that it remains separate and Hasbro does not try to go back and make it part of G1 after the fact.

Clear as mud, yes?

[Sparky Prime]

Aside from Takara changing their minds again (which I was not aware of), this contradicts what I said how? You've basically confirmed what I said and posted a link as proof.

My point is and was that originally all three of those shows were conceived to be in one continuity and are in the same continuity despite problems that arose. Your original post implied otherwise. But yeah, your rephrased statement I'd agree with.

[Pravus Prime]

Given the past two seasons and the fact that the show "is" it's own continuity, there is a way to tie Animated to G1 that is both clever and sound.

Let me preface this by stating again that I know it's not ment to be tied to G1 and this is only my own idea here. Let's take Fresh's idea of an Alternate reality and expand on it's divergent point. In true Marvel style... What If Ultra Magnus became Leader of the Autobots.

In the G1 episode, War Dawn, the Aerialbots are tricked by the Decepticons into Cybertron's distant past. Just before the Great War broke out in fact. There they met a bot named Orion Pax along with his Buddy Dion and his Girlfriend Ariel who think the new Decepticons are cool. Well as everyone who's seen the episode knows, Megatron takes over the building Orion Pax works at with his friends and they are gravely injured. The Aerialbots take Orion to a young bot named Alpha Trion who rebuilds him into Optimus Prime....

So, it's not so much a spin off of G1 but a what G1 might have been kind of idea. Maybe you can win your bet with this.


It's funny, I came up with a similar idea, a few days ago, but didn't have a chance to post it until now.

Preface: I'm a multi-verse guy. G1 cartoon, comics, G2 comics, RiD, CR, Energon, Galaxy Force, all flavors of different universes to me. I generally loathe unified continuity theories.

However, this works:

Animated is G1 without the Aerialbot Paradox.

As mentioned, in War Dawn, the Aerialbots take a damaged Orian Pax to Alpha Trion to be rebuilt into Optimus Prime at the start of the Great War (and presumabley gets the Matrix of Leadership at this time). Prime would later lead the Ark mission to Earth, build the Aerialbots, and infuse them with life via Vector Sigma. The Aerialbots would then travel back in time to complete the Oruborus and creating the Aerialbot Paradox. (Since the Aerialbots essentially created themselves by creating their creator.)

But, what happens without the Aerialbot Paradox? Orion Pax dies. The Matrix doesn't get gifted to Prime and stays with Alpha Trion. We also know that Ultra Magnus is one of Primes oldest and most competitent allies, and is in fact the Autobot chosen to run a planet in his absense, not Ironhide, Prowl, or any of the others. However, we also have Vector Sigma on a war torn planet that few, like Alpha Trion have access to. A rising Ultra Magnus takes the leadership reigns of the Autobots, and through the ripple effect of not having Optimus in charge and Ultra Magnus instead, things happen differently.

Now, what happens in this different and new paradox free continuity is up to you. I kind of like the idea that UM refused the Matrix, and Alpha Trion, in an attempt to keep Vector Sigma from fueling both sides with unlimited soldiers to send off to die, harnessed it into the Matrix, creating the Allspark, which was then sent away in an attempt to stop the war or at least keep it from escalating. Due to differences in the early war and the players in the war, things happen differently. With no Ark to lead them off planet, no Optimus, and spacebridges established across the universe, things end up different. My guess is a lot of Transformers die, Soundwave, Skywarp, Ironhide, etc. Eventually the Decepticons are forced to withdraw, and give persuit to the "Allspark".

Peace comes to the Cybertronians, and in the millions of stellar cycles, new sparks come online (through whatever means they do, Creation Matrix, Well of Allsparks, they just do, etc.), and names are reused just as not everyone on Earth has a unique name, so is true for Transformers, who eventually reuse old names, and new twists on old names.

And thus, we lead into "Transform and Roll Out".

Now, one of the bizarre things (that many die hard fans may find unpallatable) is that in a paradox free universe, UM led the 'bots to victory, while Prime led the 'bots to stalemate to a Decepticon controlled Cybertron.

[Rattrap Primal]

I see it as it's own universe, where some things unfolded differently than G1.
For Example:
-Ultra Magnus is the Autobot General Commander, not a soldier, and can handle things
-No other Optimus' in Cybertron's past
-Autobots had hold of Space Bridge Technology, and the Decepticons have been dormant for years
-Megatron never reformatted into Galvatron
-though Prime was watching old footage, it was referred to as archives
-Ratchet as a war hero?
-Omega Supreme played a larger role in Autobot Victory
-Remember, in the Beast Era, they said that the Great War ended 300 years ago, while the Maximal and Predacons evolved from their ancestors. In Animated, the Autobots and Decepticons are still the donimant factions.
-different chain of command: Ultra Magnus, Sentinal Prime and down the line maybe Optimus

[trebleshot]

One more thing to add: Prime is a rank in this universe, not a name. So Sentinel and Optimus are equals, regardless of their current assignments.

[Tim_Patterson]

I won the bet!

The bet was: I bet you, no one can write a story that ties Generation 1 and animated.

However slightly flawed, my original post works.
As does a few other posts in this thread!
The time travel paradox, etc.

The point being... All it takes is an imagination, it can be done.

If a few people on a message board can do it, just think what a professional writer could come up with.


P.S.

If this was say 200 years after the great war ( which did devastate Earth, btw) it would be several generations of humans later. None would have ever seen a transformer. Most may not believe they existed. It would explain Earths current level of Technology in Transformers Animated.

[Xenon]

Then how have Spike, Carly, Daniel & Sparkplug managed to stay alive so long? Face it, they like many of the other G1 homages are there just to keep us happy.

It's a seperate story.

There are plenty of ways that you could try and tie Animated to G1 but not everything will add up. So it's best to just leave it alone and enjoy it for what it is.

[shroobmaster]

So you won even ignoring the fact everything was extremely stretched?

Your friend should've asked for a storie that made sense.

[ian5555]

Throw the new movie in there and it really gets messed up. Movie took parts from G1 and then Animated is a movie re-hash with a few changes but got rid of the main humans from G1 basically.

[Tim_Patterson]

Then how have Spike, Carly, Daniel & Sparkplug managed to stay alive so long? Face it, they like many of the other G1 homages are there just to keep us happy.

It's a seperate story.

There are plenty of ways that you could try and tie Animated to G1 but not everything will add up. So it's best to just leave it alone and enjoy it for what it is.


They are not in animated?
I would assume they are long dead.

[Ravenxl7]

They are not in animated?
I would assume they are long dead.
They've all made appearances at some point in the show. Just short little cameo roles, nothing major.

Animated=/=G1. It's as simple as that, though I won't be surprised if Takara doesn't force it into their huge Universe where everything is somehow connected. The many nods to G1 is nice, but that doesn't mean it's connected to the continuity of it. The one G1 characther I want to see make a cameo sometime in Animated, is Roller. Wouldn't be all that hard to make him sound like R2-D2 like he did in G1.

[Nagaoka]

They are not in animated?
I would assume they are long dead.

As was said before, they're in there, and considering they're just background characters they've had some relatively large roles. Sparkplug too (not just the robot dog). They even have their proper names. Sheesh, Spike's even voiced by Corey Burton (who did his adult voice back then).

I would say that pretty much kills any sorta of idea that the continuity is one and the same. Although you can write a what-if story like the Dion becoming Ultra Magnus one or the Autobots never leaving Cybertron then it's still not the same continuity and it doesn't tie in. You'd be hard pressed to find any sort of way to make them fit together properly when according to the timeline they're only 45 or so years apart.

[Moonscream]

As was said before, they're in there, and considering they're just background characters they've had some relatively large roles. Sparkplug too (not just the robot dog). They even have their proper names. Sheesh, Spike's even voiced by Corey Burton (who did his adult voice back then). And if you take Sari's 'you're their parents' boss' line from 'Sound and Fury' into account, either Spike or Carly, or both, work for Sumdac.

I like that 'Generation 1 without the Aerialbot Paradox' explanation a whole lot.

--Moony

[Nachtsider]

Real-life explanation: the G1 bits are homages for the fans, nothing more.

In-story explanation: Animated is an Elseworlds series, where G1 unfolded differently.

^ My two cents.

[Smasher]

I think it is kind of fun when people try to imagine ways that one story can fit into another, but to say that Animated is officially part of Generation 1 is impossible.

Many have posted valid reasons why it can't work and there are still many more.

What's funny is that there were lots of G1 cameos in the first episode of Armada, but I don't remember months and months of people insisting that they were connected.

That was Hasbro's intention, not the writers. They never wrote Galaxy Force/Cybertron as a continuation of Super Link/Energon, pure and simple. In Japan, the shows are separate continuities. Had the writers wanted to make it a trilogy, they would have written it that way and we wouldn't have any continuity issues between the two, as is the case with Micron Legend and Superlink.

Besides, there were more continuity issues than just matching the ending of Energon with the beginning of Cybertron. Some people have tried to retcon it all by saying it was the effects of the black hole, but I say it was the effects of trying to link two shows that weren't meant to be linked together.

Armada\Energon\Cybertron absolutely were meant to be linked from the start.
Just look at designs of characters like Red Alert for proof.
The errors in Cybertron were more painful because of the Japanese deciding to break the continuity, but even Energon had continuity errors with Armada.

For instance, Megatron's all powerful sword that was drawn forth from his inert body that he never used nor even mentioned at all in Armada.

[Mumps]

I did not read past the 1st page, so I don't know if this is covered or not.

But... if Animated happened after G1, why would the Transformers be a "new" thing to the humans? Humans already knew about TF's in G1, did they um... give the earth a big mind wipe or something when they left?

And thats why G1 and Animated are not connected.

Also.. I hate the abbreviations thing that the admins/mods added... what were you guys thinking?

[Dropshot]

The aerialbots paradox is the best way to connect animated and G1, but, it doesn't work in practice since it has plot holes and loos ends.

As bottom line, a continuity cannot be connected to other if it was not intended like that since the beginning.

[trebleshot]

Armada\Energon\Cybertron absolutely were meant to be linked from the start.
Just look at designs of characters like Red Alert for proof.
The errors in Cybertron were more painful because of the Japanese deciding to break the continuity, but even Energon had continuity errors with Armada.

Just to clear up the meaning behind my earlier post, since it seems to be the source of some confusion:

I am certainly not questioning whether GF/CYB should or should not be part of a trilogy with ARM/ML and EN/SL, nor am I disputing the fact that the original plan was to have those three shows as a trilogy.

What I said was that the writers of Galaxy Force did not write the scripts with the intention that it would be linked to Super Link or Micron Legend, regardless of the original intentions/plans of Hasbro or Takara. Takara made the decision to make it a separate story and told the writers to do exactly that.

My point was that if the writers were told by Takara to write Galaxy Force as a sequel to Super Link, then there would be less issues with the stories linking up. There may still have been some issues, given your example with Armada/Energon, but far less than exist now.

[Sparky Prime]

What I said was that the writers of Galaxy Force did not write the scripts with the intention that it would be linked to Super Link or Micron Legend, regardless of the original intentions/plans of Hasbro or Takara. Takara made the decision to make it a separate story and told the writers to do exactly that.

I'm not so sure about that. I really don't think Takara would tell the writers to do something like that with out some say from Hasbro on the matter. The story was kept similar enough that Cybertron could be adapted and linked to the past shows after all.

[trebleshot]

I'm not so sure about that. I really don't think Takara would tell the writers to do something like that with out some say from Hasbro on the matter. The story was kept similar enough that Cybertron could be adapted and linked to the past shows after all.

If that was the case, why bother making it a separate story to begin with? It basically fails on both counts, then.

Also, Takara has been known to make decisions on their own regarding their own market, without needing input from Hasbro.

Regardless, we've dragged this thread way off-topic for long enough and if we're going to continue, let's start a separate thread and stop hijacking this one.

[Autobot-Girl]

Just say its an alternate dimension :)

[Sparky Prime]

If that was the case, why bother making it a separate story to begin with? It basically fails on both counts, then.

Hasn't this already been said? Takara only initially separated Galaxy Force from the trilogy to avoid the obvious continuity problems that resulted from the changed ending of Superlink/Energon. However, the original plot of Galaxy Force remained what it would have been for the trilogy. This is why Cybertron remained part of the trilogy and why Galaxy Force was later reintegrated into the trilogy, despite the problems the end of Superlink/Energon created.

Regardless, we've dragged this thread way off-topic for long enough and if we're going to continue, let's start a separate thread and stop hijacking this one.
I really don't think this thread is going anywhere anyway... Animated is it's own continuity. End of story.

[trebleshot]

Hasn't this already been said? Takara only initially separated Galaxy Force from the trilogy to avoid the obvious continuity problems that resulted from the changed ending of Superlink/Energon.

Yes, it's been said, but it still does not invalidate my statement, which I'm not going to bother repeating again here. I don't believe they wrote it as a separate story with the idea that it "might" be reintegrated later by Hasbro or even Takara.

However, I will concede that if that was indeed the intention, then the writing staff failed, as there are several inconsistencies and plot holes in Cybertron.

However, the original plot of Galaxy Force remained what it would have been for the trilogy.

So the original plot included the entire TF race "forgetting" about the ability to combine, Earth, meeting and working with humans, Unicron...

This is why Cybertron remained part of the trilogy and why Galaxy Force was later reintegrated into the trilogy, despite the problems the end of Superlink/Energon created.


And Takara only reintegtrated it years later. It wasn't like they did right after Hasbro dubbed it to be part of the US trilogy.


I really don't think this thread is going anywhere anyway... Animated is it's own continuity. End of story.

Fair enough. And agreed on the last point.

[Sparky Prime]

So the original plot included the entire TF race "forgetting" about the ability to combine, Earth, meeting and working with humans, Unicron...

I was referring to the original overall plot of the show in general. Meaning the Black Hole left over after the defeat of an evil god who was "the other side of the coin" to Primus that threatens to destroy the whole universe if it isn't dealt with. Galaxy Force doesn't name this evil god, but they do mention in Cybertron that black hole was created when they defeated Unicron.

And yes, I realize there are other continuity issues/plot holes that resulted in the Galaxy Force writers trying to distance the show from the rest of the trilogy. And perhaps that fault is with the Cybertron writers for not changing those parts to reflect the past shows. However, that doesn't change the fact that the original premise of the show was to be part of the trilogy. Takara I'll concede had the writers try to avoid a continuity mess, while Cybertron didn't so so well on that front.

[Bass X0]

If you really want to have Animated connected to G1 then just have events happening differently after War Dawn. One path leads to the G1 cartoon and the other path leads to Animated but neither path crosses over again with the other since the split.