Heroes discussion

[Wreckgar]

Anyone else catch this? Personally I was drawn in instantly. The first episode had a ton of questions and loosely tied enough characters together. I'm curious on the powers of the mother/internet sex woman. That was the only thing that bugged me but I know it's a teaser.

Overall a definate compelling story. I wonder how long the show is slated for. I would really rather it be a season long series but Ican see it going longer like Lost. I just hope they don't keep piling on more questions and no answers.

[Super_Megatron]

I loved it too. Good characterization and tons of potential.

[Omnibus Prime]

They had the whole episode up on Yahoo TV last week so I already done seen it. Watched it again though 'cause it went from "Hey, this is pretty good" to "Holy shit, I gotta see what happens" with the scene toward the end with the artist guy's latest painting. Next week's preview was :sly: too, with the Japanese guy and the comic book. Yeahbuhwhat?

[funkatron101]

The previews really bothered me for some reason. It seemed so contrieved. "I...I think I can fly!" then the annoying voice over whisper "Heroes on NBC." Ugh...So I skipped the premiere. We'll see if the buzz continues.

[Nerd Bomber]

The previews really bothered me for some reason. It seemed so contrieved. "I...I think I can fly!" then the annoying voice over whisper "Heroes on NBC." Ugh...So I skipped the premiere. We'll see if the buzz continues.

teh ditto!

[DevilzFan]

Forgot it was on. *runs to Bittorrent*

[Cerebros]

I thought it was pretty good. The Japanese guy citing Star Trek and comic references was funny. Can't wait for more!

[Misatokitty]

Was it different from the leaked pilot? I ask because I found it in a pile of anime I was traded for Life on Mars and loved it to bits. And wiki states there are characters and scenes that weren't in what I saw.

And I want Hiro's power, to teleport into women's toilets.

[TheIncredibleHulk]

I thought it was great. I've been waiting for it to premier since I first saw teasers for it. Didn't disappoint at all. Probably watch it again when they replay it tomorrow night. I think it said it was on at 8pm this time.

[Josh]

watched it

liked it

ill be watching this for sure :D


i loved it when Hiro was being dragged off. his friend was saying " use your deathgrip spock!!"

lol

funny. i like his character the most so far

[Spider Striker]

I missed the first few minutes 'cause of work, but I've definetly been pulled in. Very interesting stuff.

[Emperor Mengde]

I was definitely entertained, certainly moreso than by the premier of Jericho (which wasn't bad, just not as good as this). I am curious to see how the show develops, and will be tuning in from now on.

[Deefuzz]

I REALLY dug it...I see this being quite a captivating and fantastic show. I found the first episode really well done and I am already digging how everything is beginning to connect together. I look forward to seeing this story progress.

[jourdo]

Great first episode. My only concern it this seems like the type of show that you cannot miss an episode. Ah well, that is what a PVR is for.

[adamthered]

I thought it was fantastic. I was immediately hooked.

Now hopefully the ratings are decent and it doesn't go the way of Surface.

[Liokaiser]

I thought it was great too. I'm glad I didn't miss it.

[Lumpy]

i loved it as well, and like others, may watch it again tonight. i cant wait to see where this goes and how big it can get. i do hope there is a set end though, and that even if that end is a planned 5 seasons, it sees just that, no more no less...

[Zero Prime]

That was a great first ep and can't wait for the others. So what's the deal with the suicidal girs dad?

[Night Flame]

The previews really bothered me for some reason. It seemed so contrieved. "I...I think I can fly!" then the annoying voice over whisper "Heroes on NBC." Ugh...So I skipped the premiere. We'll see if the buzz continues.

That did seem contrived, even while watching the episode, right up to the point you find out that. . .well, let's just say there's an interesting twist on that particular character that was one of the very, very few TV moments in the last ten years that made me go, "HOLY SHIT! I CAN NON BELIEVE THAT JUST HAPPENED!" Seriously, I was hard-core cheering at that, just because of the surprise.

I absolutely loved this show. I didn't like the cheerleader girl's dad being the big baddy though. I have a feeling this is a set-up for your typical teen-angst angle with mommy getting upset that daddy isn't getting along with his baby girl, and baby girl being all ansty to the nth degree and blah, blah, blah. But outside of THAT particular part of the story, it was fantastic. And I do like the cheerleader character outside of her dad's deal. An absolute hero, not afraid to use her powers for good, but just trying to stay out of the way and be "normal" the rest of the time. Fantastic. As someone on another board said, gave a very Wolverine sort of vibe.

The Japanese guy was absolutely the best character of the show, though that's probably my inner geek showing. And the teaser for next week left me scratching my head a bit with the comic book stuff. All-in-all though, I'm hooked.

Hopefully next week I get to watch the entire episode. (GRUMBLEGRUMBLE DAMN DOGS GRUMBLEGRUMBLE)

Oh, anyone else notice KDE/Linux on the stripper-mom's computer? Total geek out while watching a hot blond take off her clothes? Well, my wife was in the room at the time.

I hope this either sticks around, or gets released in a box set if they cancel it so we at least get to see the first story arc completed. I would say by the intro they are hoping to have at least a few seasons of it, but who knows with how fickle networks are these days.

[Lumpy]

oh yeah, i loved the opening scroll, about volume one of this epic story...thats awesome...cant wait til next monday....and hey, now i have a real reason to look forward to mondays...go heroes go

[Wreckgar]

I was thinking about the characters today.

The Cheerleader was probably the stuck up snob girl in a small town and one day realized she couldn't get hurt. They just tries stuff to see what happens. Her running into the fire wasn't to save anyone. She originally went in just to see how hot it was and by circumstance, noticed that guy and saved him. She has powers but I doesn't seem to actively want to use them for anything unless its a situation right in front of her.

The Japanese guy is the comic relief. He's like Plastic Man or Spiderman. He's the funny part of the show who happens to be useful.

And the Congressman is the perfect one for the whole "outing of real superheroes". When the time comes, he's going ot be the one to show that they exist and are trying to help when the big crisis comes. He'll be the union of the powers and the normal folks.

[Gryph]

The two things I'm curious about are the single mom's powers, and the brother.

Also, I believe that comicbook might have been made by the artist. Considering his artwork looks comicbook-like, it wouldn't surprise me.

[Shipwreck]

The onlything it that I didn't like was that it seemed a little forced at some points but I have high hopes for this show.

[Night Flame]

The two things I'm curious about are the single mom's powers, and the brother.

The brother is in complete denial, and will remain so until something spectacular forces him to admit it.

As for the single mom/stripper? This is pure conjecture on my part, but I'm gonna say she has the power to drive people insane. This includes, but is not limited to, herself. Those bad dudes probably tore each other apart, and the chick in the mirror is her seeing her own insanity in a non-confrontational way or something.

[Spider Striker]

That's an interesting way to look at it. i just figured she had a split personality or something.

[Night Flame]

That's an interesting way to look at it. i just figured she had a split personality or something.

My evidence thus far is nothing more than the fact that she had no blood on her clothes when she came out of it, yet her "mirror" self had blood all over her. That's all I've got to go on.

It'd be cool if they came up with an even better reason.

[Omnibus Prime]

Also, I believe that comicbook might have been made by the artist. Considering his artwork looks comicbook-like, it wouldn't surprise me.

:peoples:

Hmmmmm.

[Tfgraveyard]

That's an interesting way to look at it. i just figured she had a split personality or something.

SPOILER

















That's it. I was reading an article about the show, and it mentioned one of the characters having a split personality for her power. It also mentioned that the artist can only paint pictures of the future when he's 'high'.

[Supreme Prime]

I think it is amazing new show and so far my favorite character is Hiro, some of his line are just funny. This is diffenently one of my favorite new television series.

[TheIncredibleHulk]

I watched it again tonight. I didn't tell my wife that I had watched it last night, so I could make her watch it tonight :D

[Lumpy]

The two things I'm curious about are the single mom's powers, and the brother.

Also, I believe that comicbook might have been made by the artist. Considering his artwork looks comicbook-like, it wouldn't surprise me.

all the artist paintings are actually done by tim sale so the comic look is probably due to that...dont know who does the comics that they find in the series though...

[Cerebros]

Wow, that's awesome about Ali Larter's character. I still remember her whipped scene in Varsity Blues. But her super powered self seems pyschotic and the damage she did to those two guys. It doesn't make seem like a good guy/hero.

[Ogami Daigoro]

Finally got around to watching it today. Loved it. There's a "Lost" feel to it with the diversity of characters and things being intertwined, but that's cool. Loved Hiro, very intrigued by the brothers and Ali Larter. And the adoptive father may have adopted the cheerleader so as to keep tabs on her growing powers. I think what the Indian guy said about the Human Genome Project may be what's behind everyone's powers and that the experiment was done on different people and then "seeded" around the world. Haven't read anything official on that theory, but I kept out of reading anything to avoid spoilers.

[rattrap007]

Well I downloaded it a few days ago and just got around to watching it. I'm kinda hooked now. Got plenty of TV on my plate now.. Got Heores on Mondays, House and Standoff on Tues, Lost on Wed (plus downloads of Justice and Mythbusters), Earl on Thursdays (and Survivior downloads), plus Monk and Psych when they return in Janurary. Then Toonami on Sat and Fox and Adult Swim on Sundays.

Overall I like this show. The politician surprised me that HE had the power. I hope his brother is ok. Teen Girl seems interesting. Hiro is the best for me. I was so injoying that. Since he is a geek I hope he makes Anime references.

As for stripper mom, I think she has an evil twin type power that can emerge from a mirrored surface in times of need.

Glasses guy i think is a bit of a spook. Kinda like Henry Gyrich of X-Men. Sort of a mutant registry program leader. Secret operations and intellegence guy. Yet his family doesn't know what he really does. Kinda like Harry Tasker in True Lies.

[Spider Striker]

We ended up talking about this at the comic store and my friend who works there pointed something out. Kitty Pryde went back in time in X-Men #141-142. Not #143 like Hiro said in the show. :lol

[Lumpy]

We ended up talking about this at the comic store and my friend who works there pointed something out. Kitty Pryde went back in time in X-Men #141-142. Not #143 like Hiro said in the show. :lol

dude, you're a geek...JK...i think thats totally awesome....you figure they would get the details right....

[Wreckgar]

Well Jeph Loeb is a huge part of the show production and is also a big comic geek, not just a writer. Using real random facts is like second nature.

[Dangard Ace]

Heroes episode 2 was aired yesterday. Definitely fun, definitely not for the squeamish.

And I love Claire's exorcist scene. God that was funny.

[rattrap007]

"Go yankees!" - hiro :lol

[Lumpy]

i was just about to post a thread about chapter 2...but now this one is back...it was a little more graphic then i expected...my fiance and i taped it, and watched it again right after it was over...that weird design that keeps showing up has us intrigued, and the new guy with his hearing powers seems cool. ali larters powers are still confusing, but i think its gotta be a split personality with something else...and what about sylar? do you think hes the evil father dude? i think its someone else...but man, those brain missing scenes were gross...and hiro ending up jumping ahead in time...totally didnt think of that...love this damn show....cant wait for more....oh , and they flying brothers, kinda cool...for a second i was thinking peter didnt have powers, and that his brother did...

[Ogami Daigoro]

Just watched my tape of the second episode. Good stuff. The mother's description of depression is way off (I'm a therapist, so I know something about depression) and Hiro's touching the gun was something no one in their right mind would do, but otherwise I'm very intrigued. I love that Hiro's "teleporting" seems to be more of a "bending of the time-space continuum" and that he was so surprised at the date. He could be almost god-like if he can will himself back and forth in time to keep bad things from happening. Awesome.

It's also nice to see Stacy Haiduk in something again. She was the redhead cop with the piercing blue eyes. I remembered her from the old Superboy, Deep Sea 5 and Kindred: The Embraced TV shows and always had a thing for her.

[Liokaiser]

those brain missing scenes were gross......

Tell me about it. My wife was freaked out. Can't wait to find out more on the single mom.

[Cerebros]

Episode 2 was definitely cool. The brain scenes reminded me of Hannibal and i can't wait to see what this Syla character looks like. Sounds like there are super powered bad guys as well - the cop character got the shaft. He found the girl and then gets arrested but what happened with Hiro was totally unexpected. Can't wait for the next episode!

[Lumpy]

Tell me about it. My wife was freaked out. Can't wait to find out more on the single mom.

yeah, my fiance (whos a big horror nut like me) freaked out alittle...it was just so unexpected...and what if sylar is more then just one person? one guy who freezes, one who uses his mind to do thing? cuz the mom who was slaughtered had just about anything that was sharp impaled in her, thats all gotta be done with someones mind...and yeah, that poor cop...more will come from him though...and as far as villains, it most certainly looks like theres a big baddy out there...

[Methos]

Man that PMS is killer.lol I think Ali Larters character is like the Hulk.

I wonder if there will be supervillains aswell.

[Ogami Daigoro]

Now that I think about it, the cop character's being arrested seemed like an illogical stretch too. Though it hasn't been shown, it's likely that there would be no evidence linking him to the killings and one "detective's" suspicions don't seem like enough to arrest someone. Taking him in for questioning, yes. But a full on arrest, no. However, I'm no expert in police procedure, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

[DevilzFan]

The cop with telepathy intrigues me.

[rattrap007]

Well the people with the brains removed still can have a career in congress...

[Misatokitty]

They weren't cops, and were dressed too nice for the FBI ;) I think he was arrested because he did mention the name which no one outside of that investigative group should have known - so yeah, they were going to bring him in thinking he may have been involved. And I got the feeling from the ep it's spelt like "Psyler" or something... mostly though because I was thinking brains and TK and stuff...

Was it just me, though, or was reflective personality girl's other personality pretty useless? Bundled the bodies up in the car with the map, and cleaned the garage, even put a shovel at the burial site, but couldn't bury them?

Hiro's still cool.

Looking forward to next week's ep, whatever happens in it.

[Tfgraveyard]

And I got the feeling from the ep it's spelt like "Psyler" or something... mostly though because I was thinking brains and TK and stuff...



Actually, in the first EP it was written on an audio tape, and spelled "Silar".

Or something really close. the "i" could have been a "y"..........

[Wreckgar]

oh , and they flying brothers, kinda cool...for a second i was thinking peter didnt have powers, and that his brother did...
That's okay. I thought they were like the wonder twins at first. They needed each other for the power to work. Thank god I was wrong

Anyway, Isaw the second episode and I want to see what they do with the cop. He was only seen for a second but I hope he plays a big role.

And I see that Hiro's powers are exactly the same as Quicksilver's powers now. He can move back and forth through time rather than control it.

[Cheetatron]

Love the show can't wait till next weeks episode to be honest and yeah just like everyone else Hiro is my favorite character Japanese Salaryman FTW

[ArmadaJetfire]

The guy, Syler, i bet is eating the brains of people who either are going to develop, or have developed powers. By doing so he absorbs the powers, or feeds some wacky "drug" habit. One more thing, I bet its the cheerleaders dad too. Killed her parents, adopted her and will breed a rdy to go food source. But thats just me.

[Cloudraker]

If you are like me and can't get enough of this show or just miss something,it also airs a couple hours later on USA network and fridays on SCIFI.
If that many networks are picking it up it must be good.

[misterd]

If you are like me and can't get enough of this show or just miss something,it also airs a couple hours later on USA network and fridays on SCIFI.
If that many networks are picking it up it must be good.

Nah. They did the same with "Surface" last year.

[rattrap007]

The guy, Syler, i bet is eating the brains of people who either are going to develop, or have developed powers. By doing so he absorbs the powers, or feeds some wacky "drug" habit. One more thing, I bet its the cheerleaders dad too. Killed her parents, adopted her and will breed a rdy to go food source. But thats just me.
eats the brains.. sounds like Venom... or venom just eat spleens?

[Wreckgar]

eats the brains.. sounds like Venom... or venom just eat spleens?
Nope, brains.

[Dangard Ace]

Well we can debate it more later cause it just got picked up for a full season! Wooo!!

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20061005nbc02

[Lumpy]

hurray for more heroes....i hope this show stays so good....so far im liking it more then lost...

[Gryph]

Well, I was right about the comic book. It was done by the artist. I kind of get the feeling that maybe he asked him to make it to get him to show up at the place. Also, we have a timeframe for the disaster now.

I believe the brother can copy powers. The actor mentioned his power is empathy. I believe that when he's close to someone with powers, he can mimic them.

[edkwon]

I was dissapointed with the writing of thise first ep, frankly i think the 4400 is a MUCH BETTER and more realistic take on ordinary ppl accquiring superrpowers.

Ed

[Gryph]

I don't see how people being born as mutants is less realistic than aliens giving people powers.

[Shipwreck]

I don't see how people being born as mutants is less realistic than aliens giving people powers.

They weren't aliens but people from the future.

[Cheetatron]

They weren't aliens but people from the future. I dont see how that makes it more realistic

[Liokaiser]

My heart skip a beat at the ending of this episode. Oh shit. This series is so awesome. Damn, I hate all those commericals.

[DevilzFan]

The ending was the best part!

UPPER FRONTAL NUDITY!!!

Just not the kind we were looking for >_<


"Oh sh-----" :lol

[Wreckgar]

The ending was the best part!

UPPER FRONTAL NUDITY!!!

Just not the kind we were looking for >_<


"Oh sh-----" :lol
That was awesome. And even though she's invincible, that's gotta hurt.

This weeks episode was great as well. I want to see more of Stylor. He can control people, not be hurt, and can disappear in an instant. And he's hunting heroes. Nice.

[Josh]

The ending was the best part!

UPPER FRONTAL NUDITY!!!

Just not the kind we were looking for >_<


"Oh sh-----" :lol

haha

yeah
i was like..."what did they do with her boobs?" @___@

freakin crazy o___o

im diggin this show fa sho xD

[rattrap007]

Love this show.. To me the parts with Hiro are the best. So hilarious.

[Josh]

Hiro's my fav by far

[Shipwreck]

I love this show but the only part I hate is a lot of the acting seems forced.

[Night Flame]

I love this show but the only part I hate is a lot of the acting seems forced.

Watch an episode of CSI: Miami. No acting anywhere else in the world will ever seem forced to you again.

I loved this week's episode. Though I'm getting a tiny bit tired of the "punish them for their special powers" vibe that seems to be everywhere in it.

The cheerleader waking up mid-autopsy = complete rock. Bet the coroner is going to stop drinking after that one.

[rattrap007]

Watch an episode of CSI: Miami. No acting anywhere else in the world will ever seem forced to you again.

Never really watched an episode but the previews make it look almost saterical. I swear just when I see a preview that make it look like it jumped the shark I see the next preview... and It looks even worse.

One preview that had me laughing was the main guy, Heratio or what ever, running from an exploding building. It wasn't the situation, but how it was acted. Any normal person would be in a sprinters stride running like a bat out of hell. In this It is in slow motion and looks like he is out for a sunday jog in a business suit.

[Night Flame]

One preview that had me laughing was the main guy, Heratio or what ever, running from an exploding building. It wasn't the situation, but how it was acted. Any normal person would be in a sprinters stride running like a bat out of hell. In this It is in slow motion and looks like he is out for a sunday jog in a business suit.

I don't mean to side-track the thread, but that guy is the worst actor in the history of ever. In his NYPD Blue days he could occassionally pull of a decent scene, but nowadays it's all over-acted, fake tension building that's laughable, deep voiced, slow talking, artificial air of authority crap. My wife watches this show about once every three weeks thinking it can't be as bad as she remembers. Every time it is.

Now, back to praising Hiro. If not for him I may have given up after last week's episode. I hate false accusation and people taking credit for things they didn't do and that was the entire episode last week. This week's was better. Though I have to say if I was the "suicide" brother I wouldn't have stopped beating on Mr. Sanctimony until he was passed out.

I get the distinct feeling that he's trying to get his brother locked away somewhere to prevent embarrassment and to avoid having to confront the fact that they've both been able to fly.

[Deefuzz]

Last night's episode was great, and I am thoroughly enjoying this show.

And what an ending! Good thing I was done eating dinner by that time!

Hiro is so far my favorite as well. I can't wait to see next week's episode, this is easily shaping up to be one of my favorites currently running.

[Lumpy]

I believe the brother can copy powers. The actor mentioned his power is empathy. I believe that when he's close to someone with powers, he can mimic them.

that could be true...that'd be a cool power...but i dont know...he was 'flying' at the end of episode 2, but he was close to his brother...i guess time will tell...cant wait til next monday

[Caterwaul]

Wow.
To say I wasnt expecting that ending was a bit of an understatement. Not really her day is it? I find it a bit interesting that she didnt start regenerating until the stick was removed.

[Josh]

Wow.
To say I wasnt expecting that ending was a bit of an understatement. Not really her day is it? I find it a bit interesting that she didnt start regenerating until the stick was removed.

well, we noticed her side didnt heal back until she pushed the rib back in so


quite the power she has x___X

[Night Flame]

that could be true...that'd be a cool power...but i dont know...he was 'flying' at the end of episode 2, but he was close to his brother...i guess time will tell...cant wait til next monday

I think it is being able to use the powers of whoever he's close to. He was close to the junkie painter in the previous episode, and this episode he drew himself floating/flying on the roof before it happened.

[Ogami Daigoro]

Tonight's ep was kickass. Future Hiro was kickass. This show rocks hard.




And so does Ali Larter's sex appeal. Wowzers!

[Night Flame]

Future Hiro is a Smooth Pimp Daddy Ninja.

The cheerleader's complete whack-out was pretty cool, but way too short. I wanted to see her make that kid suffer. The best part of the jock-rapist cliche is watching the jock-rapist get what's coming to him.

[Backscatter]

This show ROCKS! Love the "Can't Die" Cheerleader and the Flying brothers. The mind reading cop is cool too and I'd I've to be able to warp space/time as well. As for the others, no thanks.

[meetoblivion]

I think it is being able to use the powers of whoever he's close to. He was close to the junkie painter in the previous episode, and this episode he drew himself floating/flying on the roof before it happened.

I concur.

Is it me, or is the single mom that keeps killing people not actually have a super power, but just suffers from multiple personalities? I mean, I wish I had the super power of "not remember long periods of time where someone else does stuff in my body." Not.

[Night Flame]

This show ROCKS! Love the "Can't Die" Cheerleader and the Flying brothers. The mind reading cop is cool too and I'd I've to be able to warp space/time as well. As for the others, no thanks.

How can you not like the junkie future visionist?

I concur.

Is it me, or is the single mom that keeps killing people not actually have a super power, but just suffers from multiple personalities? I mean, I wish I had the super power of "not remember long periods of time where someone else does stuff in my body." Not.

Except, why did she have a tatoo on her shoulder when she was "other personality girl?" And the tatoo went away when she came back to herself (or after she fell asleep). Plus, being able to kick ass with wreckless abandon is a pretty cool power. Though I have to be honest, for as hot as she is, she sure is boring to watch on screen.

[rattrap007]

Loved Hiro and Ando in Vegas. The best scene of the night was Ando telling the Texan and his buddies not to mess with them or Hiro will mess them up big time. One of the thugs just KOs Hiro with one punch. :lol

[Liokaiser]

Except, why did she have a tatoo on her shoulder when she was "other personality girl?" And the tatoo went away when she came back to herself (or after she fell asleep). Plus, being able to kick ass with wreckless abandon is a pretty cool power. Though I have to be honest, for as hot as she is, she sure is boring to watch on screen.

Remember this split personality only comes out when she is in danger. Still an awesome show though I wish the cheerleader girl didn't kill that guy.

[Deefuzz]

What a great episode. I'm lovin Hiro.

Future Samurai Ninja Hiro FTW!!!

[Night Flame]

Remember this split personality only comes out when she is in danger. Still an awesome show though I wish the cheerleader girl didn't kill that guy.

Me too.

She should have done something to torture him slowly. Too quick a wrap-up for the jock-rapist cliche story for my tastes. If you're going to go down that path, and the writers definitely were going to go down that path, why not do it right and have her jump off of buildings with him. Not tall enough to kill him, just tall enough to mangle him real good.

[Team Jetfire]

Loved Hiro and Ando in Vegas. The best scene of the night was Ando telling the Texan and his buddies not to mess with them or Hiro will mess them up big time. One of the thugs just KOs Hiro with one punch. :lol

I loled...

I missed the part with future Hiro. What was that all about.

Love the cheerleader and the Blonde split personality girl. Bad ass....

[Night Flame]

I loled...

I missed the part with future Hiro. What was that all about.

Love the cheerleader and the Blonde split personality girl. Bad ass....

You missed future Hiro? WTF? How do you watch a show like this and turn it off before it's over?

Anybody else realize that stripper-mom called the kid "our son" when she went into wacko-land? Anybody thinking that the dad is in her head?

I'm sort of looking forward to finding out how the brother gets his scar now too. They keep setting up future plot points, but the plot itself feels like it's barely creeping forward each week. They can only keep that going for so long before they have to either start to reveal details, or people lose interest.

[Liokaiser]

Anybody else realize that stripper-mom called the kid "our son" when she went into wacko-land? Anybody thinking that the dad is in her head?



I missed that. You make me want to watch the episode again. :D It makes sense that Future Hiro came. He knows fully well that present Hiro was knock the hell out.

[Lumpy]

Remember this split personality only comes out when she is in danger. Still an awesome show though I wish the cheerleader girl didn't kill that guy.

who said he's dead? i havent seen a body...maybe hes a powered individual as well...i love this show...and future hiro was great...peter P being rogueish but without the drawbacks (yet) and i still dont get ali larters powers...and i wasnt even convinced it was her other self beating up that dude, cuz so far she's slaughtered people, but maybe she had a blending of personalities...and i didnt notice the tattoo not being on her...looked raised above the skin too, not like a tattoo...more like henna before you let it dry....

they need to do more with the cop though, and the crazy father

also, did anyone hear the line about poor man versions of their fathers? maybe cheerleaders real parents were early powereds...and what is peter and his brothers dad had powers as well...i bloody love this show...its nuts...

and what if they future they think they are supposed to stop (the explosion) actually is the future they create? what if they find someone nitroesque, and he goes nuclear in new york?

[Liokaiser]

who said he's dead?

Going 95 plus miles an hour straight smack into a building. Yeah, I would assume he's dead.

[Night Flame]

also, did anyone hear the line about poor man versions of their fathers? maybe cheerleaders real parents were early powereds...and what is peter and his brothers dad had powers as well...i bloody love this show...its nuts...


It'd make sense if the brother's dad had powers. He was insane and committed suicide. So maybe he had powers and was like the cheerleader, constantly trying to find ways to die because he just wanted to be normal.

[Team Jetfire]

You missed future Hiro? WTF? How do you watch a show like this and turn it off before it's over?

Anybody else realize that stripper-mom called the kid "our son" when she went into wacko-land? Anybody thinking that the dad is in her head?

I'm sort of looking forward to finding out how the brother gets his scar now too. They keep setting up future plot points, but the plot itself feels like it's barely creeping forward each week. They can only keep that going for so long before they have to either start to reveal details, or people lose interest.

I wouldn't say it was by choice... My daughter was crying so I figured I should go see what was wrong.

I saw Future Hiro but never heard his lines...so I didn't know what he was doing there.

[Night Flame]

I wouldn't say it was by choice... My daughter was crying so I figured I should go see what was wrong.

I saw Future Hiro but never heard his lines...so I didn't know what he was doing there.

Ah, that right there is what VCRs and DVD recordables are for. I have dogs that tend to act up right at the end of TV shows, so I don't dare watch something interesting without recording it in some fashion.

Props for checking on your kid instead of screaming at her to shut up until the end of the show though, like someone I used to know would do. . .

[Team Jetfire]

Ah, that right there is what VCRs and DVD recordables are for. I have dogs that tend to act up right at the end of TV shows, so I don't dare watch something interesting without recording it in some fashion.

Props for checking on your kid instead of screaming at her to shut up until the end of the show though, like someone I used to know would do. . .

I really need to get me a DVR or somthing. There are so many shows that I miss because of other things...

[alphie]

Going 95 plus miles an hour straight smack into a building. Yeah, I would assume he's dead.

Unless he couldn't die. Maybe he's like the cheerleader.

I'm loving this show! But I'm really hoping that they bring up something soon major plot wise.

[Liokaiser]

Unless he couldn't die. Maybe he's like the cheerleader.


That would be too weird. I beat she will be pissed off. :lol

[Cataclizm1]

Well stupid me, I got into this show starting this week and it rocks so hard! Anyone know how I can see the first 3 episodes online maybe? I tried NBC.com but looks like they only have this week's episode online and I can't find any of the first three episodes.

[rattrap007]

Bittorrent.. I got all of my shows downloaded...

[Cheetatron]

^ditto but yeah Future Hiro kicks ass.

[Ogami Daigoro]

Well stupid me, I got into this show starting this week and it rocks so hard! Anyone know how I can see the first 3 episodes online maybe? I tried NBC.com but looks like they only have this week's episode online and I can't find any of the first three episodes. If you want, you can borrow my tape. I've got them all so far. Otherwise, hit up Torrentspy and grab the torrents.

[Josh]

Going 95 plus miles an hour straight smack into a building. Yeah, I would assume he's dead.

but if the online comic on nbc.com is canon, he isnt dead

[Nevermore]

You guys need to read the comic shorts (I refuse to call them "graphic novels") on NBC's site. They're like "deleted scenes" that were never actually filmed.

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/

Claire did NOT kill the guy. Which apepars to lead to a few new problems.

[Liokaiser]

Thanks for posting that link to the comic Nevermore. Glad he is not dead. I just don't want to see that cheerleader as a murder.

[Wing alpha]

ah I finally watched this show...by sheer ammount of coincidence
and now consider me a fan...Hiro is awsome, and his future self looks even more awsome. the sword and black clothes is a nice touch...call me insane but I almost said "Fear Ninja Hiro" when i was watching it.

now if only i could catch up on galactica, this tv day would be complete.

now I must set the PVR for the day

[Cataclizm1]

Episodes 2, 3, and 4 are re-airing on Sunday at 8 p.m. Pretty cool for people like me who need to catch up and couldn't figure out a bittorrent if his life depended on it....

[Lumpy]

ive been meaning to keep up with the comics, but keep forgetting, but i just read the last 3, and they are really cool...i knew that stupid kid woudlnt be dead...i wish he would, but oh well...cant wait till next week to see what happens...and was it really the 2nd episode that hiro realized he was in the future? this show is blurring together in my head....which is what happens when i read comics too...an entire story blurrs and the elements get mixed up....but damn, i love this show....its sweet...and the one with nathan p was kinda cool...i want him to start accepting who he is...he could end up being a major player if he really gets himself into the possibilities...

[Cheetatron]

My only disappointment is that Jock, the rapist, is still alive wtf Clair can't you do anything right?

[Nevermore]

My only disappointment is that Jock, the rapist, is still alive wtf Clair can't you do anything right?

I prefer "heroes" not having murder on their track records, thank you.

[Liokaiser]

I prefer "heroes" not having murder on their track records, thank you.

Agreed.

[Ogami Daigoro]

It's just attempted murder. Bring that before your higher power, Claire.

[Night Flame]

I prefer "heroes" not having murder on their track records, thank you.

On the other hand, not everyone on the show is going to end up being a hero. Unless the only conflict the show investigates is how often those with powers are completely misunderstood. But I'm already bored with that being the main plot, and would like to see it fleshed out by having some ACTUAL baddies to contend with.

Besides, there's nothing finer in the world than a psycho cheerleader from Texas. I'd think by now the whole world would expect that.

[Gryph]

I concur.

Is it me, or is the single mom that keeps killing people not actually have a super power, but just suffers from multiple personalities? I mean, I wish I had the super power of "not remember long periods of time where someone else does stuff in my body." Not.

I believe she has powers, her other personallity is the only one that can use them right now.

I also think I know why the cheerleader is so important. If it is a nuke of some sort. She'll probably be the only one who could get close to it.

[Infosaur]

I'm sorry, but didn't the Captian of the Football team: rape, manslaughter, then dispose of Clair's body?

In the REAL world that would be a criminal offense.

If it WERE possible to come back from the dead, I would have no problem with people inflicting,,, well death, on their killers.

[Nevermore]

I'm sorry, but didn't the Captian of the Football team: rape, manslaughter, then dispose of Clair's body?

If he actually raped her, that'd qualify for necrophilia.

Aside from that, if Claire had killed him, that'd still be murder, no matter what he has done.

[QuantumShock]

Does anyone know the song ? For easier reference, the song played right after the opening credit in episode 4. I like that song.

[DevilzFan]

It's just attempted murder. Bring that before your higher power, Claire.

"Hah! 'Attempted murder'? Now honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel prize for 'attempted chemistry'? Do they?"

[Ogami Daigoro]

"Hah! 'Attempted murder'? Now honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel prize for 'attempted chemistry'? Do they?" That sounds familiar. What is that from again?

[DevilzFan]

That sounds familiar. What is that from again?

Sideshow Bob, from the Simpsons Episode "Sideshow Bob Roberts"

[Metal Soldier]

Just started watching the show and it is brilliant. Future Ninja Hiro is awesome.


Hiro's got a blog.
http://blog.nbc.com/hiro_blog/

[Cheetatron]

I prefer "heroes" not having murder on their track records, thank you.I prefer heroes who have the gumption to use maximum force to make sure the villain never does whatever it is they do again.

[rattrap007]

Great episode again tonight. Looks like Micha's dad is a super as well... maybe he is Syler.. I think DL (I believe that is his name) has phasing powers like Kitty Pride.

Peter definitely has mimicry powers.

[Cheetatron]

Talk about a cliff hanger ending... I guessed that the husband had intangibility.

[Liokaiser]

Another awesome episode. Pieces are starting to come together. Now a question. Is the single mother being controlled by the husband? She knows that he is capable of some wild stuff, so maybe she knows his power? It was cool that Peter was able to finish the painting. Can't wait for next week's episode.

[Deefuzz]

This show is just so damned good.

I loved how it ended with Peter talking to Hiro on the phone. Hiro is just a great character.

Once again, I cannot wait until next week.

[Wing alpha]

I love hiro..... he is awsome...man this show is so awsome is not funny.

[Emperor Mengde]

Another awesome episode. Pieces are starting to come together. Now a question. Is the single mother being controlled by the husband? She knows that he is capable of some wild stuff, so maybe she knows his power? It was cool that Peter was able to finish the painting. Can't wait for next week's episode.

I don't know, I've seen it surmised elsewhere that the single mother, Niki (or her alter ego, if you will), was actually the one doing the murdering for which DL was in prison for. I like the idea, but who knows if it's true or not.

Overall, I'm really liking this show more than I even thought I would, but it is a slow burn. Waiting for new episodes is tough. Oh well, it'll certainly be the kind of series that'll be great to marathon on dvd.

[QuantumShock]

So that means her husband is the one have superpower ? Just my imagination.

[Night Flame]

Am I the only one who thought flying brother was bad-ass? I hate his political crap, but that flying was just wickedly fast. Straight up, pause, and take off so fast he leaves a vapor trail? Even my wife said, "Wow, he flies faster than Super Man!"

I love this show. Hiro needs more time in the spotlight, or they need to give the other characters actual. . .uh, character.

[Team Jetfire]

Great ep. Love the younger brother who can adsorb powers. Flying was really cool. Cheerleader's dad is crazy...Hiro is great, finally some sort of semblance to what is going on.

[Ogami Daigoro]

I like how Claire's father has an internal logic that says mindwiping is for the good of mankind in Brody's case. It makes him both slightly less evil and a little more evil in how he didn't kill to accomplish "punishment" for Brody raping Claire. Reminds me of the Identity Crisis storyline.

[Venksta]

Nathan can fly really fast. He probally has been aware of his powers for awhile, and knows the basics to use it by will. I think he created a sonic boom, after flying straight up and turning. I loved Hiro's scenes during this episode. I hope the show lasts enough seasons so we can see him evolve into "future" Hiro.

[meetoblivion]

So that means her husband is the one have superpower ? Just my imagination.

They both do. She has a Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde type of thing going on, and he has something that looks like Shadowcat (from X-men) where he can go through things.

[rattrap007]

Wouldn't moving at the speed of sound basically rip off the PJ bottom he was wearing. Now if was a pair of jeans or some thicker material I can see them holding up better to extreme speed like that. But a thin pair of PJ would be blow off...

[Scrapper6]

Last nights episode was brilliant; and now all the threads seem to be connecting, there's Ando and Hiro in Vegas, Hiro has met Nathan and knows he can fly. Nathan has the knowledge of the two jokers and if I'm not mistaken the guy with the glasses is working with DL Niki's husband.

Looks like next episode is going to be killer I can't wait; this kind of show is the one that really grabbed me, out of all the stuff out there they can still pull off a decent show without it looking like crap. I must agree Hiro is the best character; I wonder though, in the comic/paintings Isaac drew it showed Hiro & Ando plus I believe Niki trying to save Claire, Peter thought the other guy was him, but what if it was actually Nathan or Sylar? And another thing; if all these people are supposed to get together and form a group or something akin to the Avengers/X-Men/Justice League, where does the mind reading Cop fit in? Man I can't wait for next week, I hope it's even more off the wall then last time; and am I ever glad that this episode didn't show Claire's healing in the extreme like last time, it creeps me out. (But in that good way, not the bad kind.)

[MegaPrime33]

Another great episode. I had originally believed that the cheerleader's adopted father, the one who keeps trying to take the "special ones", didn't know that his daughter was one of them. Obviously from last nights ep, we do know that he knows she has special talents. I wonder he's done "experiments" on other people but not on her?

[Cheetatron]

I like how Claire's father has an internal logic that says mindwiping is for the good of mankind in Brody's case. It makes him both slightly less evil and a little more evil in how he didn't kill to accomplish "punishment" for Brody raping Claire. Reminds me of the Identity Crisis storyline.I saw the Dr. Light parallel as well but it was handled much better here. Seems that evil clanestine ops dad isn't so evil.

[Liokaiser]

I had originally believed that the cheerleader's adopted father, the one who keeps trying to take the "special ones", didn't know that his daughter was one of them.


Her father somehow got a hold of that tape that her and here friend had filmed.

[Zero Prime]

Am I the only one who thought flying brother was bad-ass? I hate his political crap, but that flying was just wickedly fast. Straight up, pause, and take off so fast he leaves a vapor trail? Even my wife said, "Wow, he flies faster than Super Man!"

I love this show. Hiro needs more time in the spotlight, or they need to give the other characters actual. . .uh, character.

My wife said the same thing, Hehe. I'm loving were this is heading but I wonder if the younger brother has anymore powers. It seems kind of odd to have to future seers.

[rattrap007]

And another thing; if all these people are supposed to get together and form a group or something akin to the Avengers/X-Men/Justice League, where does the mind reading Cop fit in?

He'd be good for interrogation purposes..

[Hale]

My wife said the same thing, Hehe. I'm loving were this is heading but I wonder if the younger brother has anymore powers. It seems kind of odd to have to future seers.

The younger brother has sort of a synch power. He can mirror the power of a super that he is near.

[Zero Prime]

Now that could come in handy. He could erase the mind of that guy who erases minds.

[MegaPrime33]

Her father somehow got a hold of that tape that her and here friend had filmed.
Hmm I must have missed that. But it seems like it can't be a coincidence that the father, who's hunting specific people with special powers, adopted a girl without knowing that she has them. I'm just going to assume that he knew about her powers before he saw that tape.

[Liokaiser]

Now that could come in handy. He could erase the mind of that guy who erases minds.

Now that would be awesome.

[Lumpy]

i also beleive the father knew well before the adoption...i think he probably had something to do with her parents not being around....maybe they were supers as well...which means maybe micah will have powers since his mom and dad both do...and i love how its all tying together as well...its freakin great...blows me away all the time...

and for everyone who was complaining about claire killing that bastard rapist and saying they dont want a murderer on heroes, what about ali larters character? she's kid, quite brutally as well, yet she is apparently heading down the hero path

[Cloudraker]

Anyone else think the symbol looks like a frament from a double helix?

[Liokaiser]

..which means maybe micah will have powers since his mom and dad both do...

That would be cool. Didn't they say in the first episode that Micah was a smart kid. Why then was kick out of that "special school".

[TransGoJoBot]

i also beleive the father knew well before the adoption...i think he probably had something to do with her parents not being around....maybe they were supers as well...which means maybe micah will have powers since his mom and dad both do...and i love how its all tying together as well...its freakin great...blows me away all the time...

and for everyone who was complaining about claire killing that bastard rapist and saying they dont want a murderer on heroes, what about ali larters character? she's kid, quite brutally as well, yet she is apparently heading down the hero path

Claire didn't end up killing that guy, even though she tried to. He's alive and with a fresh case of memory wipe.

[Lumpy]

i know hes alive, but before everyone knew, some people said they didnt want a murderer on the heroes side, but no one seemed to care about ali larters brutal other half...

and one thing that bugs me, the comic showed claire pulling him from the car wreck, but the new episode made it seem like the paramedics found them in the car...just seems slightly off...

[Liokaiser]

i know hes alive, but before everyone knew, some people said they didnt want a murderer on the heroes side, but no one seemed to care about ali larters brutal other half...
.

It's hard to call her a murderer, when in fact her split personality is doing the killings.

[DevilzFan]

Well, seems like DL, or whatever Ali Larter's characters husband's name is, is innocent. $20 says she's the one who commited the murders.

Why aren't you people reading the Heroes comic that NBC.com puts up after every show?

[Zero Prime]

Well, seems like DL, or whatever Ali Larter's characters husband's name is, is innocent. $20 says she's the one who commited the murders.

Why aren't you people reading the Heroes comic that NBC.com puts up after every show?

I read them. I say they threatened the family and her alter ego took care of the problem and then framed the husband to save herself.

[Misatokitty]

Hmm. I haven't seen this week's episode yet (drat) but a friend did, and he's come to the conclusion that Syler is Peter Petrelli, permanently absorbing powers by eating people's brains. That he's started doing this for some reason in the future, and killed Hiro, gone back in time to do SOMETHING... and is still killing. And did Claire at some point as well, seeing as he can get up after being shot multiple times. He said the conversation with future Hiro (which I did see) clinched it for him.

I don't know myself. I don't think so, though. Yet to see the full episode. But the line of thinking, when heard in full, makes sense.

[Caterwaul]

IMDB.com has Silar being played by Sean Bean, for what it's worth.
If true, kind of blows your friend's theory out of the water. :)

I'd argue that the reason the bullets didnt hurt him was because they never touched him. He's a Telekinetic.

[Lumpy]

yeah, i agree with caterwaul...though the peter as a villian is fun concept...cant wait till monday....

[Liokaiser]

Another great episode. DL is awesome. The question now his how does he clear his name. What happened to Peter's brother in this episode? I hope he tries to find the two guys that tried to kidnap him last episode. "Save the cheerleader, save the world".

[Deefuzz]

Not as good as the past episodes, but still good. So that DL dude can reach through stuff, and the chick can go super strong and crazy...what kind of powers does that kid have? :D

[DevilzFan]

Heh, the chick mackin' on the Indian guy turning out to be an accomplice of Claire's father was awesome.

Yeah, DL seems to be a Kitty Pryde character.

[Wreckgar]

The girl turning out to be with Claire's father was COMPLETELY UNEXPECTED. I what about Syler? Or the cop? A lot of characters were missing from this week. And I missed last week so I'm a little lost.

But I did see the fake parents coming. It was true to the father's character. I have a feeling the real parents are long gone due to Claire's dad.

[Scrapper6]

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Judging by everything happening so far; and the images in the panels draw surrounding Claire I'm at a loss to explain how DL could kill Nikki and yet isn't she the one who's face is up close and personal like in the panel beside the one showing Hiro and Ando? Theoretically Nikki could be saved by either Nathan or the Cops performing CPR if they found her fast enough, but the question remains; what is her deal? She has some kind of strength power, but it seems to involve a split personality usurping control of her body/powers in order to trigger them.
I'm going to assume the psychic cop is featured in the NBC.com comic because he didn't make a single appearance in this episode.
Eden appears to be a government agent; big surprise there considering as I just realized early in the ep when Mohinder mentioned her name Eden = First Woman who was tricked by the Serpent into eating the apple on the forbidden tree and then tricked Adam. They want the pre-cog; Claire's father got the message about saving the cheeleader, but he didn't get the whole thing. He might try something; also how come DL didn't recognize Nikki from his attempt to capture Nathan? I suspect at some point it will be revealed that DL is being hypnotized/mind controlled some how to do the bidding of the government goons; either that or he really doesn't pay attention to things like finding his wife in bed with another man.

Hiro's scenes in this episode were too brief; and yet they made the ep funner, escaping uncertain death at the hands of Nikki's alter ego because Ando is a craven coward, and still they haven't gotten out of Las Vega. Shouldn't have any problems now though unless Nikki or DL wind up getting involved... I'm still dissapointed that so far only Peter, Isaac and Hiro seem to be doing anything to actually further the plot, I want to see everybody really start realizing they need to get together and stuff, but I guess that's the price one pays for watching such a great show as this.
The banner showed Nikki didn't it; you know the one showing off all the heroes, so doesn't that mean she's one of the good guys or becomes one? At least we finally got to see more powers being used, Sylar is the enemy so I guess anything goes, but I have a sneaking suspicion he's not who you expect... I mean what if it's Micah from the future? Food for thought.

[meetoblivion]

geez, they really all seem like x-men. not just in powers, but in personalities/roles as well. DL clearly has a combination of Logan, Kitty, and Scott Summers. Hiro definitely has a spiderman vibe going on based on what happened.

[Cheetatron]

how come DL didn't recognize Nikki from his attempt to capture Nathan? I suspect at some point it will be revealed that DL is being hypnotized/mind controlled some how to do the bidding of the government goons; either that or he really doesn't pay attention to things like finding his wife in bed with another man. Uh because it wasnt DL, The guy who doesnt talk but has super powerful mind powers is a totally different "bald" man, I'm a little dissappointed that you thought they were the same "bald" guy

Edit: Issue 6 still isn't up Tssk! bakabakashi

[Night Flame]

The girl turning out to be with Claire's father was COMPLETELY UNEXPECTED.

Seriously? I got a funny vibe from her about three episodes back.

This episode was like one disappointment after another. The politician is gone. The stripper-mom got WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much time wasted on her boring ass story and I truly and honestly hope she's dead and stops taking up TV time that could be spent on something worth watching, the kid turning on the father is so blatantly set up that I don't even want to see the results, the fake bio-parents was expected, Hiro is going to be stuck in Vegas until the end of friggin' time fighting his coward friend's demons instead of figuring himself out and getting on with it, and the painter is somehow left alone while we have no idea what copy-boy is doing.

Oh, and lets not forget that the second most interesting character, the cop, just had his storyline completely pulled out from under him while he was one of the cliffhangers from last episode, and the third most interesting character, the professor's son, just up and left with an open-ended "he'll be back" completely not believing all the stuff he believed right up to the point that the proof was right in front of his face.

Even the ending wasn't a "famous Heroes finish." Where was the bite for next episode? Oh, in the nuggets from next week? The secret is out? Great. Now we can get on with the entire world misunderstanding their every move instead of just those close to them.

I'm all for conflict and slow resolution, but I need something to keep me coming back. This week wasn't even a filler episode as far as I could tell. It was just there, taking up space, doing nothing.

Up to last week, I really enjoyed this show. But this week I feel like I'm watching the absolute worst season of Alias again. Nothing happens, nothing happens, OH! Nope, nothing. Here's some stuff over here, there's a guy doing something that might turn interesting and OH MY GAWD! Nope, false alarm, we just needed a commercial break.

First strike. I give it three, then I'm done. My fear is they've been so succesful they have no reason to try anymore. The audience is considered a guarantee. And once that happens, whether they continue down the proven path or try and keep twisting is up to the creators.

[Cataclizm1]

I don't see the point in the complaints for this episode. I thought it was awesome as usual. This is only the 6th episode out of about 22 episodes for this season so there will be plenty of time for exposition of other characters like the cop and the politician to come. The girl revealing to be in cahoots with Claire's father was a shocker. I wonder if she has a power yet to be revealed. And I loved the scene where Nikki argued with her alter ego.

[Scrapper6]

Uh because it wasnt DL, The guy who doesnt talk but has super powerful mind powers is a totally different "bald" man, I'm a little dissappointed that you thought they were the same "bald" guy

Edit: Issue 6 still isn't up Tssk! bakabakashi


You're dissapointed that I thought DL was the same guy working with Claire's dad when it's such an obvious identical twin or something? Ok so he hasn't got much screen time, but that guy clearly looks like DL to me; plus who said he had powerful mind control powers? I thought Claire's dad was using DLs phasing powers to screw with peoples heads; if he can reach into his wifes chest and either kill her or render her unconscious then why the hell couldn't he reach into a persons head and short out the short term memory?

Why wouldn't it be DL they wouldn't introduce ANOTHER character with powers that looks a lot like the token African-American on the supposed team of heroes just to have this guy turn out to be a red herring or someone who's going to be killed at the end of the first arc. Honestly how can anybody think there's two different guys that look identical? When we first got introduced to DL it was in that bar with the Cop; and if the Cop's psychic then why the hell would they need him? Considering apparently this supposed DL imposter is also psychic and has already mastered his mental abilities to the point that he can render himself immune to others.

Anyway it's all just my opinion, but it seems a lot of viewers recognized this supposed DL Imposter as the actual DL; if you could compare a screen shot between the two you'd probably see them as identical, and don't give me that Twins with powers excuse, we've already got brothers we don't need another family link as in JL or ML, DL's twin evil brother.

[TheIncredibleHulk]

I thought it was the same guy too

[Tfgraveyard]

I thought it was the same guy too

Really? To me, they're clearly different. One's african american, and the other appears(to me, at least) clearly not african american. I'd say he's of middle eastern descent, arab or something.

EDIT: went back, and watched some clips. Maybe they both are african american. Other then being bald, they don't look alike though.

[Tfgraveyard]

Why wouldn't it be DL they wouldn't introduce ANOTHER character with powers that looks a lot like the token African-American on the supposed team of heroes just to have this guy turn out to be a red herring or someone who's going to be killed at the end of the first arc. Honestly how can anybody think there's two different guys that look identical? When we first got introduced to DL it was in that bar with the Cop; and if the Cop's psychic then why the hell would they need him? Considering apparently this supposed DL imposter is also psychic and has already mastered his mental abilities to the point that he can render himself immune to others.



That wasn't DL in the bar with the cop. They don't even look identical.

A thread over on the heroes discussion board: http://www.heroes-forum.com/index.php?showtopic=770

AND, the 'mysterious man', as he's referred to is played by a different actor then DL.

Mysterious Man: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1097515/
DL: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0731346/

[Misatokitty]

I didn't think they were the same guy. Claire's dad's co-worker is bigger and meaner in size and shape (although the meaner is more likely due to knowing what he does to people's heads).

Finally glad to see DL turn up, especially since his scenes were cut from the pilot. The cop at least had his scenes shifted back a week or two. DL's cut scenes got mentioned this episode, but that was it.

Always knew Nikki had done what he had been accused of; likewise I'd always guessed... Eden? Was working for Claire's dad. Mohendra going back to India I think was always on the cards, especially while he's being asked to take such a huge step and believing this is happening right now and in front of him rather than something covered only in dry statistics. Also, Peter flipping out about Hiro didn't help much.

That said, I find it funny Mohendra didn't once ask Peter in the train just how in less than an eyeblink he got from being right in his face and rational to halfway down the train calling out for someone who wasn't there.

Still really enjoying the show. Nikki's not dead, either, that much is obvious. The painting showed her eyes open and smirking, which she wasn't doing lying on the floor. Quite how her story will pan out, though, I don't know. The VO about morals and good and evil with evolutionary jumps not being an issue in its early stages was obviously pointedly referenced at Nikki... so perhaps she does the Rogue thing ("Oh, I'm evil! Now I'm not!").

[ViperDragon]

Remember that this show plays out like a comic book so each week there may be characters missing. When I have read long term comics, there have been issues where I wondered what happened to the other characters. Common practice to make you want more!

Had a funny feeling about Eden too. Question is, at the end of the show where she meets Isaac, is she going to kill him? Future Hiro saw Isaac with his brain removed. Highly doubt she is Slyar, but interested to see what happens there.

Also, I am sure that Nikki isn't dead. It's a comic book, much like soap operas no one ever stays dead! Though DL could have 'killed' the good personality of Nikki and now the 'evil' one is dominant.

Claire's fake parents were seen a mile away. Though I found it odd how she expected them to come out and say, yeah there is a history of indestructibility that runs in the family!

Looks like next week Hiro and Ando meet up with Micka and DL. Is DL good or bad. Can't blame him for being a little pissed that his 'wife' killed his crew and framed him. Question is, why did she do it and did he do something to her to deserve it.

ViperDragon

[Night Flame]

Remember that this show plays out like a comic book so each week there may be characters missing. When I have read long term comics, there have been issues where I wondered what happened to the other characters. Common practice to make you want more!

They'd better be careful playing that card though. There's very few shows I'll tolerate that happening on. And it'll now be damned near impossible to put the cop in the same situation after a day has passed for everyone else in the story.


Had a funny feeling about Eden too. Question is, at the end of the show where she meets Isaac, is she going to kill him?

Doubtful. She was told to "bring him in." I'm guessing that's going to be the same thing as what happened to the cop with the strange dude and cheerleader's dad. And I'm glad I'm not the only one that saw that "twist" coming.


Also, I am sure that Nikki isn't dead.

Sadly, you're probably right. Which sucks, because I've never seen such a beautiful woman be so unenjoyable to watch on screen. Hopefully they actually do something with her story aside from the obvious since day-one setup.


Claire's fake parents were seen a mile away.

The funniest part about Claire's fake parents was that the "mom" commented on her having the "dad's" features, while in reality it looked like Claire actually could have been the "mom's" daughter. They practically were twins if not for the age difference.


Looks like next week Hiro and Ando meet up with Micka and DL. Is DL good or bad.

I think DL is basically good, but, SHOCK OF ALL SHOCKS! He'll be playing the part of the misunderstood guy. Because we just can't get enough of these people being misunderstood.

[Caterwaul]

The elfen mousy chick being a plant didnt surprise me at all. Everything she helped him discover was really convenient and just a bit to easy.

[Scrapper6]

That wasn't DL in the bar with the cop. They don't even look identical.

A thread over on the heroes discussion board: http://www.heroes-forum.com/index.php?showtopic=770

AND, the 'mysterious man', as he's referred to is played by a different actor then DL.

Mysterious Man: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1097515/
DL: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0731346/


Well then I guess this show is doing it's job if some people like me don't realize that DL and the other guy are different people; I seriously thought they were the same person, but if they're not then I suppose what we're looking at is either Evil Twin situation, misdirection on the part of the shows creators who purposely made those scenes short so you couldn't notice the differences, or one of those Comic staples we all know and love.

[Nevermore]

This reminds me of all the random "random blonde woman is bomb woman from the boat/Sarah/Penny/Juliet", "pot community leader is Zeke", "random black background Other is Michael" and whatnot debates from the discussions about Lost.

[SPLIT LIP]

I love this show.

[Cheetatron]

The actor who playes the mysterious man looks like he could be Nigerian and he's a whole lot older than the actor who plays DL he looks like he's in his mid to late 40s while the actor who play's DL looks like he's in his early to mid 30s. For future refrence both of those guys and the guy who plays the "Bald" Lieutenant from "The Wire" and the guy who plays Julien a "bald" patrolman on "The Shield" are all different "Bald" men.

[Lumpy]

i still love this show, think its great, and enjoyed this last episode...it didnt have as much shock and awe as previous, but, much like a comic, ish 6 tied up some loose ends...1-6 have been a small arc, and now the next story begins...also, the creators have stated that the characters will come together eventually and there may be issues where we dont see a character at all...so, relax i bet cop boy shows up again soon...now im off to read the webcomic...

ok, read it...kinda cool...little story about nikki....kinda confused about who was in it with her though...seemed like DL's crew, but i had assumed that DL was on the trip and was the only survivor....

[Ogami Daigoro]

I finally got a chance to watch my tape of this Monday's ep. I had a feeling that Eden was a plant from the get-go. (Side note: doesn't she look like Audrey Tatou from Amelie and The DaVinci Code's younger sister or something?) Just too convenient that she was there to "stop" the electrician/gunman in the first ep. And the fake parents were pretty easy to guess. I like DL not being a bad guy. And I recognized him from Buffy the Vampire Slayer eps with "The Initiative", so I knew he was not the same guy that Claire's father was using to mindwipe people. Even I as an Asian man can admit that black people don't all look alike :) Hiro was great as always, but I did miss what was going on with the cop and there wasn't a big cliffhanger ending as per usual.

The online comic didn't really seem to add much to the ep either.

[REDLINE]

the cliffhanger was 2-fold. 1) is DL's woman dead, and 2)what's the cheerleader's dad gonna do next now that he knows about the whole "save the cheerleader" message?

[BMGFX]

ok, read it...kinda cool...little story about nikki....kinda confused about who was in it with her though...seemed like DL's crew, but i had assumed that DL was on the trip and was the only survivor....

DL said that he dropped out of it before the job was done, which explains why niki was the "new girl". Plus at the end of the comic I'm pretty sure she is driving to the desert to bury them at the spot that she later finds the remains.

[Shockwing]

So the powers of the mutants in Xmen are triggered by puberty. But the powers we've seen thus far seem to have been activated relatively recently. Why the sudden influx? Do you think the powers have been specifically triggered by someone or perhaps they're in some trippy correlation to the impending disaster?

[Lumpy]

DL said that he dropped out of it before the job was done, which explains why niki was the "new girl". Plus at the end of the comic I'm pretty sure she is driving to the desert to bury them at the spot that she later finds the remains.

i coudlnt remember if he had dropped out or what...and yeah, those bodies she discovered in the desert are Dl's crew, thats for sure...

[Night Flame]

the cliffhanger was 2-fold. 1) is DL's woman dead, and 2)what's the cheerleader's dad gonna do next now that he knows about the whole "save the cheerleader" message?

Ah, that's why I sensed no cliffhanger.

1) I care less about than any other character arc on the show so far.

and

2) What cheerleader's dad is going to do is so up in the air at all times that having a "what's he gonna do" moment set up a cliffhanger is kinda pointless.

[Gryph]

I really get the feeling the cheerleader's dad isn't really a badguy. I'm thinking he works for the government and is trying to stop Siler and keep the "mutants" out of the public eye. The fact he didn't kill the cop or the jock really supports this theory.

[Lumpy]

yeah, ive been thinking along the same lines gryph...he might not be as evil as we all think...but who knows....

[meetoblivion]

well next week we're supposed to find out if the dad is good or bad.

then again, this week we were supposed to find out that their secret is out...and it didn't get out (though more people know about the cheerleader)

interesting twists, we now have an iceman character, but opposite (ie he turns into fire maybe?) and the official notice the micah has powers as well (can anyone say forge?)

[Night Flame]

well next week we're supposed to find out if the dad is good or bad.

then again, this week we were supposed to find out that their secret is out...and it didn't get out (though more people know about the cheerleader)

Yeah. *ONE* more "people." The big twist was revealed in the previews. I'm guessing next week's big twist will be that cheerleader's dad will stand there going, "Oh, but she's my daughter" as if that really matters more to him than whatever his mission is.


interesting twists, we now have an iceman character, but opposite (ie he turns into fire maybe?)

He's nuclear. Atomic. Whatever. He threatened to blow the whole place up, nuke style. So I'm guessing he has something to do with New York going ka-boom in the future.


and the official notice the micah has powers as well (can anyone say forge?)

That's been hinted at for a long time as well. Again, somewhat disappointed with the complete lack of progress. And Hiro getting a bit-part? Come on. Give me Hiro, or I'll change the channel.

Nice "twist" as well that stripper mom now gets to play the part of the whiney, overly needy woman AND the manipulative, annoying psycho bitch. I mean, they were fast headed that direction anyway, but having it right out there in the open makes me think they're getting ready to REALLY focus in on Mrs. Get Off My Screen Now.

For positives, the cop's "power" finally gives us an interesting turn with him laying the beat-down on his "buddy." And the kid has the ability to fix electronics, as well as being ridiculously intelligent/perceptive for his age.

I think I really need to stop trying to watch this show while everybody else in the house is up. The constant chatter from wifey combined with the dogs constantly needing to go in and out has me so insane that I'm annoyed by everything I see. Either that, or they need to write a coherent plot that doesn't make the annoying and horrible characters the main focus while pushing the good and enjoyable characters into the background. One of those two.

[Shipwreck]

This show really is a live action stab at Rising Stars comic.

[Ogami Daigoro]

Micah is Forge. Sheesh, they really need to stop ripping off X-Men ideas.

Other than that, I was a little "meh"-ed by the episode. Hiro deserves more time and Niki/Jessica is definitely not centerpiece material for the show. Even Claire's brother finding out was not handled all that well, IMO. Nathan's wife being paralyzed was slightly interesting. Anyone else think that if she was a little younger, she could make for a good Wonder Woman? Her eyes creep me out a little, but she could almost have the look.

[Venksta]

Nathan's wife being paralyzed was slightly interesting. Anyone else think that if she was a little younger, she could make for a good Wonder Woman? Her eyes creep me out a little, but she could almost have the look.

I found her eyes to be creepy too.

It was too obvious the cop's wife was cheating. I was hoping she would of had powers too, that she was hiding from her husband.

Also, anyone else catch the tattoo on the cop's back, and on the nuclear guy? Theirs were alike, and different than Niki's. Thats 3 characters with mysterious tattoos.

Next week looks interesting. I've thought, since the first episode, that Claire's father was only made out to look like the bad guy, and his intentions were more on the side of good.

[DevilzFan]

Micah is Forge. Sheesh, they really need to stop ripping off X-Men ideas.

Kinda hard not to do when Marvel's been creating mutants with powers for 43 years now.

[Cataclizm1]

The part when DL and Hiro saved that lady from the exploding car was awesome. I was kind of confused by this episode...so the nuclear guy is Sylar?

[TheIncredibleHulk]

This show really is a live action stab at Rising Stars comic.

I kinda thought that too

[Venksta]

I was kind of confused by this episode...so the nuclear guy is Sylar?

No, the Nuclear guy is a new character. When they showed that fried remains of the body, where they got the finger print from. They thought it was Sylar's, because the cause of the death was not normal. It was similar to the deaths they think Sylar was responsible for. But in the end, the killer was that nuclear guy. So Sylar is still around some where.

[rattrap007]

is it me or did nuclear guy look like one of the geico cavemen?

[Night Flame]

The part when DL and Hiro saved that lady from the exploding car was awesome. I was kind of confused by this episode...so the nuclear guy is Sylar?

No chance it's Sylar. I look for the lady FBI agent to go after every weird happening as if it were caused by Sylar. It'll probably be the number one way to introduce new characters over the next few episodes. Which is, yet again, yawn inducing even the first time they try it.

[ViperDragon]

Many of Slyar's victim's appeared to be frozen then their brains removed. He/She could be an 'Iceman' type person. They shouldn't had made Claire's brother frighten of her. If I had a sibling with super powers I would want to start up a league or something! Micha's electronics controlling/manipulation power is cool. So we possibly know that 'Nuclear Man' is the trigger for the nuke explosion in NY? I imagine that they'll transport him to NY sometime for more interigation or something.

I am hoping the 'Save the Cheerleader' story arc is wrapped up before holiday hiatus and then I figure stopping the NY explosion story will finish out the season to the finale?

ViperDragon

P.S. Please stop complaining about ripping off comic mutants. Like said above, DC/Marvel/others have been creating these super power types for a very long time so originality may be lacking in some respects.

[Cloudraker]

This show really is a live action stab at Rising Stars comic.

yep. J. Micheal Straczynski who writes Rising Stars and who also created Babylon 5, is quoted in this weeks entertainment weekly as saying that he is not ruffled by the show and is actually now shopping the networks for a TV mini-series based on his comic with Sam Raimi on as director.

They also go on to add a few tibits from the cast and creators about the shows development. Its kindof a long read but very intriguing.


Theory 1- the current,official opertating idea is this: in a time of crises,forces of nature produce new kinds of people that can deal with the worlds problems. "But we reserve the right to change this theory as we go along." says Kring(creator)
suggesting thatscientific or even extraterrestrial intervention is possible.


Theory 2- Niki is triple-timing as serial killer Sylar. Its a popular notion among fans but as Larter points out:"I dont even think of her as having powers." Nonetheless,Kring calls the Sylar-Niki connection "Very Viable." The Nov. 27 episode which reveals the roots of Niki's schizoid nature, will settle the matter.


Theory 3- Horn Rimmed Glasses(Claires Father or just H.M.G. for short) doesnt want to stop human evolution-He's just trying to slow it down so the heroes can grow into their mutantdom. "Interesting", is all Kring would say. Whayever his plan,you'll see H.R.G."get stressed out" during sweeps, says Coleman(actor)
"He's trying to put out 100 fires at once.~ sounds like the next cigarette smoking man from X-files with the whole good/bad who does he work for what is his agenda thing.~
Theory 4- Hiro changes the future just by racing through time. But if thats the case, hasent he already saved New York from disaster, per the butterfly effect?
We will find out this month when Hiro's rules of time travel are explained. And for future Hiro's sword?"It becomes a major part of the show," Says Kring.


Theory 5-Niki's Son Micah,is creating the entire world in his head. Theres also the contention that an unseen comic book writer is behind the action. But Kring swears there are no "its all in a snow globe" moments in store. As for Micah,Larter says he has powers, she knows what they are and she isnt saying.
Thats it for the article,copied here word for word. Kring also said that seasons are 22 episodes each and NBC is trying to bump that number up a few episode. Characters will die or get knocked off eventually. Overall it sounds to me like the episode on the 27th will be the one not to miss.
I love how atomic man is a loose cannon. How appropriate.

As for the whole ripping off the X-Men thing I tend to disagree also as there have been so many comics and powers that anyone in the industry just builds off of what came before. Nothing new for Tinseltown.

[Night Flame]

Theory 2- Niki is triple-timing as serial killer Sylar. Its a popular notion among fans but as Larter points out:"I dont even think of her as having powers." Nonetheless,Kring calls the Sylar-Niki connection "Very Viable." The Nov. 27 episode which reveals the roots of Niki's schizoid nature, will settle the matter.


If stripper/mom doesn't have powers I want her off the damn TV. Have her show up a few years down the road after Micah has turned on his father as the supportive mommy and be done with her. I've never been so annoyed with a character on a TV show before. Seriously, not only is she playing the two worst woman stereotypes to be propagated through the TV industry, she's playing them both badly and her story just bores me to tears.

And it's great that we have to wait three more weeks for something to happen too. I've been wondering if they were ever going to get around to having something actually happen. Three more weeks of filler episodes then. Yay.

I'm thinking I may just have to face the fact that the show isn't that good. I want it to be. I really, REALLY want to like this show. But damn it, at some point it either needs to be enjoyable, or I need to turn it off. If they plan on the holding pattern for three more weeks, the time may be now.

[Shipwreck]

yep. J. Micheal Straczynski who writes Rising Stars and who also created Babylon 5, is quoted in this weeks entertainment weekly as saying that he is not ruffled by the show and is actually now shopping the networks for a TV mini-series based on his comic with Sam Raimi on as director.

They also go on to add a few tibits from the cast and creators about the shows development. Its kindof a long read but very intriguing.


Theory 1- the current,official opertating idea is this: in a time of crises,forces of nature produce new kinds of people that can deal with the worlds problems. "But we reserve the right to change this theory as we go along." says Kring(creator)
suggesting thatscientific or even extraterrestrial intervention is possible.


Theory 2- Niki is triple-timing as serial killer Sylar. Its a popular notion among fans but as Larter points out:"I dont even think of her as having powers." Nonetheless,Kring calls the Sylar-Niki connection "Very Viable." The Nov. 27 episode which reveals the roots of Niki's schizoid nature, will settle the matter.


Theory 3- Horn Rimmed Glasses(Claires Father or just H.M.G. for short) doesnt want to stop human evolution-He's just trying to slow it down so the heroes can grow into their mutantdom. "Interesting", is all Kring would say. Whayever his plan,you'll see H.R.G."get stressed out" during sweeps, says Coleman(actor)
"He's trying to put out 100 fires at once.~ sounds like the next cigarette smoking man from X-files with the whole good/bad who does he work for what is his agenda thing.~
Theory 4- Hiro changes the future just by racing through time. But if thats the case, hasent he already saved New York from disaster, per the butterfly effect?
We will find out this month when Hiro's rules of time travel are explained. And for future Hiro's sword?"It becomes a major part of the show," Says Kring.


Theory 5-Niki's Son Micah,is creating the entire world in his head. Theres also the contention that an unseen comic book writer is behind the action. But Kring swears there are no "its all in a snow globe" moments in store. As for Micah,Larter says he has powers, she knows what they are and she isnt saying.
Thats it for the article,copied here word for word. Kring also said that seasons are 22 episodes each and NBC is trying to bump that number up a few episode. Characters will die or get knocked off eventually. Overall it sounds to me like the episode on the 27th will be the one not to miss.
I love how atomic man is a loose cannon. How appropriate.

As for the whole ripping off the X-Men thing I tend to disagree also as there have been so many comics and powers that anyone in the industry just builds off of what came before. Nothing new for Tinseltown.


A Rising Stars miniseries would be amazing. I remember a while back before even the third part of the story came out there were talks of making three Rising Stars movies but it all fell through.

[Ogami Daigoro]

My issue with Micah having Forge-like powers is because it's too easy as a plot device. If he can manipulate certain non-living things, not necessarily only mechanical, that makes it different enough. Like we thought Hiro was a Nightcrawler-type until he could actually bend space-time. That made him different enough in my eyes. Nathan is not exactly Superman, Peter is not exactly Rogue (that's how it's spelled BTW ;) ), Niki/Jessica is not the Hulk, Claire isn't exactly Wolverine. That's how they've gotten away with ripping off comic characters in my book is in making them different enough in how they use their powers, as well as in how their characters are written. This is the first time I've really complained about that at all, though I realize many other fanboys have been quite vocal.

If Micah even just hit the phone ala Spike in Cowboy Bebop or as any frustrated person would do, and it worked right, that would have made it more interesting and mysterious compared to closing his eyes and touching it.

****SPOILER for Superman Returns****
It all reminds me of Superman's kid in Superman Returns. If they would have left his kid's powers a mystery to be unraveled in a future movie, it would have been better IMO.
****END SPOILER****

[Lumpy]

well, i totally enjoyed it....felt like the beginning to anohter 6 episode arc....which should be the save the cheerleader arc....and i cant wait for this show....explosive guy is cool, didnt think maybe he's the reason for the explosion, but that would make sense....and i dont mind not showing hiro in every episode as the main player...its an ensemble show, so its good they are focusing on other people...i personally like nikki/jessica, its interesting...and DL is cool, and yeah, everyone saw micah's powers from a mile away, but its still cool...


Also, anyone else catch the tattoo on the cop's back, and on the nuclear guy? Theirs were alike, and different than Niki's. Thats 3 characters with mysterious tattoos.


i saw that, but didnt think it was a tattoo...more scar like...maybe once you get your mind touched by claires fathers friend, you get a scar....maybe they were using explosion dude to do something.... and the parts with voices man is really cool...knew his wife was cheating, but it was nice how it was done....hearing his friend say that...and the parts with peter and his brother were cool too...i think nathan is totally gonna have to step up and be a main player soon....and claire, yeah, her brother knows now...not really the big secret is out moment i expected, but its beginning to unravel....and i bet we'll start to see more of that happening in the next 5 episodes....

anyway, im totally in til the end of the show...its just so much fun....

[Night Flame]

well, i totally enjoyed it....felt like the beginning to anohter 6 episode arc.

I've seen this mentioned elsewhere, but how does that even come into play. I mean, no storyline was even explored yet, let alone wrapped up in the previous six episodes. And everything that happened in this episode was filler based on backstory from the previous episodes. So where are we getting this magical six episode story arc break-down from? Is it something that was said by a producer that I missed, or something advertised or what? Because as far as I can tell, the "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World" story arc has been the only arc since day one, it just wasn't vocalized until a couple episodes ago.

Aside from that, I hope the show starts to be fun again. I don't enjoy shows that are just filler episode after filler episode. They need to do something more than twice a year (first episode wrap-ups, last episode ramp-ups). There doesn't need to be some world-ending disaster averted deftly by the heroes every episode, but it would be nice to see something, anything actually happen. Even every other episode having something happen would be cool. Right now it's starting to feel like a soap opera. And a not good soap opera at that.

[Cloudraker]

Also, anyone else catch the tattoo on the cop's back, and on the nuclear guy? Theirs were alike, and different than Niki's. Thats 3 characters with mysterious tattoos.



I was thinking that those who have explored their powers the most have a larger part of the symbol showing while those who have only just started to use them have much less of the helix shape present.



Oh and Ogami Daigoro thanks for spoiling Superman Returns for me.:cool:

[Ogami Daigoro]

Oh and Ogami Daigoro thanks for spoiling Superman Returns for me.:cool:
If you're being serious about that, sorry. I edited my previous post to add the spoiler warning.

If not, then any comic/superhero fan would already have seen the movie months ago and is well aware of that development in the story. :D

[Lumpy]

to me, it felt like the first 6 episodes really introduced us to the initial main core of the cast, hence to me, it feels like a small introductory arc...i feel the show hasnt had a filler episode, plenty happened last night that shed light on whats to come and made sense within the whole story...characters were developed, and actions are taking place....thing are building....i know i would be bored if they just jumped into major mega action mode every episode...itd be to dry....

[Night Flame]

i know i would be bored if they just jumped into major mega action mode every episode...itd be to dry....

Variety is the spice of everything, including TV shows. Which is why I'm sick of seeing sixty minutes of "character development" every episode